Created Tues. Jan. 20, 2009, updated Jun. 10, 2010
The Timelines of Jesus
I am going to focus a lot on the precise details of Jesus' birth and early days, His death by execution, as well as prophecies dealing with when he was to be born or start his ministry, or be executed. There are a lot of various ideas and there is nothing wrong with that. In a multitude of counselors there is wisdom and salvation. Besides, who is afraid of a little competition when it comes to knowledge and truth? Certainly not me. Bring it on!!! But I am going to add my thoughts to this matter to see if there might not be a reasonable solution that people can be comfortable with, that addresses most of the ideas out there. I believe I do have some new things to consider on the matter.
I also want to make clear what are my ground rules for establishing dates and what we can expect for accuracy. First, the Bible is the inspired word of God and is infallible. But in saying that, the will of God may give us a criteria and events to establish a date which will not be enough for some people. Too bad! But what God gives will have to do. We could want more but not get it. I'll explain when the time comes in this article. We do need to be careful of our interpretation of God's word, though! But if God says Jesus began to preach in the 15th year of Tiberius, that will have to do. If it does not harmonize with other observations such as Josephus, it may be that Josephus or whoever is not accurate in themselves. Those who trust in and have faith in God, will accept His word in the matter. To come within a year of certainty is enough. If someone wants a sign and greater proof, they are entitled to be dissatisfied if they want to be. No one is forced to put faith in God.
But I think the real problem here is that many chronologists have made the calculation of the birth, death, and start of the ministry of Jesus too complicated when it was quite simple. They allowed Josephus to come in and complicated and distort what should have been a straight forward calculation. Wait till you see how it turns out. If we stick to precise facts, we will seldom get into trouble. The biggest challenge in doctrinal matters, as well as those of history, science, and justice, are keeping things simple and refined and not getting off track with needless irrelevant diversions, which adversaries to those fields love to create. Einstein said, "There is truth in simplicity." And Occam's Razor says that "The simplest solution is usually the correct one." Engineers live by this one, too. When people try to complicate things, well, I call that the Tom Sawyer effect. Mark Twain's fictional (or maybe not) character of some of his literature was great for making things very complicated because of his silly attempts to create excitement and adventure where there were none. So a judge, whether of doctrine or law, must seek out refinement and simplicity wherever possible.
But in the end, a definitive answer could be lacking. And exact precision is not necessary or required. So for those who demand such, I only ask, why? I will discuss each piece of evidence or factor and why I support or reject it. But we need to establish what the Bible actually says for facts. So we will get to work beginning with the birth of John the Baptist, who was conceived and born 6 months before Jesus was. It was the job of John to announce the Christ and indentify/verify the Christ (the Greek word for anointed) - Messiah (the Hebrew word for anointed). John himself was a fulfillment of prophecy, foretold in Isaiah and Malachi as you will read. My comments in between scriptures will be bracketed and colored.
John the Baptist is Conceived
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All scriptures in this article are quoted from Green's Literal Translation unless otherwise noted.
Luke 1:
5 In the days of Herod the king
of
6 And they were both righteous
before God, walking blameless in all the commandments and ordinances of the
Lord.
7 And no child was born to
them, because
8 And it happened in his serving
as priest in the order of his course before God,
9 according to the custom of the
priests, entering into the
10 And all the multitude of the
people was praying outside at the hour of incense.
11 And an angel of the
Lord appeared to him, standing on the right of the altar of incense.
12 And seeing this, Zacharias
was troubled, and fear fell on him.
13 But the angel said to him, Do not
fear, Zacharias, because your prayer was heard, and your wife Elizabeth will
bear a son to you, and you shall call his name John.
14 And he will be joy and exultation
to you, and many will rejoice over his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the eyes
of the Lord, and he shall not drink wine or strong drink. And he will be
filled of the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.
16 And he will turn many of the sons
of
17 And he will go out before Him
in the spirit and power of Elijah "to turn the hearts of
fathers to their children," and disobedient ones to the
wisdom of the just, to make ready a people having been prepared for the
Lord. Mal. 4:5, 6
18 And Zacharias said to the angel,
By what shall I know this? For I am old and my wife is advanced in her days.
19 And answering, the angel said to
him, I am Gabriel, who stands before God, and I was sent to speak to you and to
announce to you the good news of these things.
20 And behold, you shall be silent
and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did
not believe my words which shall be fulfilled in their season.
21 And the people were expecting
Zacharias, and they wondered at his delay in the
22 But coming out, he was not able
to speak to them, and they recognized that he had seen a vision in the
23 And it happened when the days of
his service were fulfilled, he went away to his house.
24 And after these days his wife
Elizabeth conceived. And she hid herself five months, saying,
25 So has the Lord done to me in the
days in which He looked on me to take away my reproach among men.
[{ There is so much
to note in just these 25 verses. I put the most noteworthy things in Bold type.
1. Herod was king at this time.
2. It was in the course of Abijah. Kind David had appointed 12 courses to serve at the temple for a week until all 12 groups had served a week and then the cycle would start again, except for the festivals, in which all priests were required to work in the temple. There would be about 4 rotations of the courses in a year which would cause the time each course started, to change from year to year. This continued down to the days of this time of John. But this is not really useful for calculating the time of the conception of John. The main purpose was to show why Zacharias was where he was at the time, in the Holy Room. It explains the events so that we can see these events did get plenty of notice, attention, and talk as they should have and were intended to.
3. Zacharias had a wife who was of the daughters of Aaron as required by the Mosaic Law. This is important for Mary is a relative of Elizabeth in some way as we shall see. IT is often claimed that the genealogy and family line given in Luke, which differs from that of Matthew's account, is that of Mary. But if Mary is a relative of Elizabeth by direct blood connection, then she can not be of the line of Judah but instead, is, of the line of Aaron/Levi. Eusebius says it was a brother-in-law marriage about 3 or 5 generations before Joseph that accounts for the difference in lines in Matthew and Luke. In view of the facts here, this interpretation seems reasonable and correct. Only those uninformed assume the lineage applies to Mary.
4. Both Zacharias and Elizabeth were quite old and beyond child bearing age. This is one of many aspects of the miracles involved with the advent of Jesus, to prove his authority as being from God. First, it is a typical prophetic symbol employed by the Father, Jehovah, the long time God of Israel and Abraham. Abraham and Sarah were old and unable to bear children. Isaac's birth was a miracle supplied by God as a token of His promise to Abraham and also a sign of what God was accomplishing through Abraham's seed/lineage. So it is with Zacharias and Elizabeth, signifying the special purpose of their son and what he would be involved in with Jesus. A birth at such an age could only be from God!!!
5. It was the course of Abijah serving, of which Zacharias belonged to, and which lot fell to him to offer incense. This also enables us to estimate the time at which this happened for there are only 2 times when this could have happened for the course of Abijah or any other Levite course of the 12.
6. This is how Zacharias ends up in the Holy Room where an angel appears, out of the sight of the people. The angel appears by the altar of incense. The angel Gabriel tells Zacharias what is going on and that -
7. John will be born and will live, dedicated to God, basically as a Nazarite (like Samson), which is why no wine or strong drink is permitted.
8. John is a fulfillment of prophecy according to Gabriel with lots to accomplish in behalf of God's will and the arrival of God's son.
9. Now Zacharias was mildly chastised for not immediately putting absolute faith in Gabriel's words. Zacharias was troubled and fearful at the appearance of the angel. He probably saw Gabriel as an angel. Further, since this happened in the days of Abraham, it was not something new. But really, this was not so much a punishment by God as it was yet another sign that this was divine intervention responsible for this event. It was a miracle and no one would be able to doubt it! But the choice of miracle was sort of ironic, no? That had God written all over it.
10. The people were wondering what was taking Zacharias so damn long. They suspected something very unusual was up.
11. When Zacharias could not speak, the people saw that as a sign that he had seen a vision in the Holy Place. They recognized a miracle had taken place.
12. Elizabeth conceived after this and hid 5 months. Timing is critical at this point.
The importance of this series of events was that this was no small event and it was clear that God was at work here and that John was to be important. Recall that when Jesus came along and asked the Pharisees whether the baptism of John was from men or God, the Pharisees would not answer for they knew all the people believed that John was indeed, a prophet of God. Part of why they believed this was due to the nature of John's conception and birth. And further, the witness of John was that Jesus was the lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. So when Jesus came along and began his ministry, there was no excuse for not believing and listening to him and certainly not doubt the miracles coming from him. }]
Jesus the Christ is Conceived
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Luke 1:
26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God
to a city of
27 to a virgin who had been
betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the
virgin’s name was Mariam.
28 And entering, the angel said to
her, Hail, one having received grace! The Lord is with you. You are
blessed among women!
29 And seeing this, she was
disturbed at his word, and considered what kind of greeting this might be.
30 And the angel said to her, Do not
fear, Mariam, for you have found favor from God.
31 And behold! You will conceive in your
womb and bear a Son, and you will call His name Jesus.
32 This One will be great and will
be called Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give Him the throne
of His father David.
33 And He will reign over the house
of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there will be no end.
34 But Mariam said to the angel, How
will this be since I do not know a man?
35 And answering, the angel said to
her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the
Most High will overshadow you, and for this reason that Holy One being
born of you will be called Son of God.
36 And behold, your kinswoman
Elizabeth! She also conceived a son in her old age, and this is
the sixth month to her who was called barren;
37 for nothing shall be impossible
with God.
38 And Mariam said, Behold, the
slave of the Lord! May it be to me according to your word. And the angel
departed from her.
[{
1. Elizabeth is 6
months into her conception and term when Gabriel is sent to Nazareth to announce
to Mariam (better known to the English as Mary, no doubt). Mariam/Miriam was a
name belonging originally to the sister of Moses, yet another indication of
Mary's blood line. Miriam or Mariam is
the more correct translation of "Mary." Mary is a more Anglicized
version of Miriam, originally a Hebrew name. The angel tells Mary to name her
child Jesus, which Joseph does not dispute later. Can you blame him?
2. (verse 32) Gabriel makes it clear what the role of Jesus is and who he is. The son of God who will rule forever . . . in time, of course. First there is the matter of that sacrifice and temporary death, but I'm getting ahead of myself, aren't I? Gabriel informs Mary that she is or will shortly be pregnant because of the power/miracle of the God of Israel.
3. (verse 36) Gabriel indentifies Elizabeth as a relative (kinswoman) of Mary/Miriam. Further evidence that Mary was not of the tribe of Judah, in all likelihood, but of Levi. So then, the differences in lineage between Matthew and Luke must be the brother in law marriage suggested by Eusebius. Further, consider that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah by way of Joseph as well as the Holy Spirit, making him duly authorized to inherit the throne of David in a symbolic way. And then being of decent of Levi through Mary also qualifies him as a priest of Levi, symbolically, as if the son of God needed the lineage for any other reason than symbolic prophetic fulfillment. So he is both king and priest by fleshly means and spiritual means, too. All Fullness indeed, dwells in him by fleshly and spiritual paths. I place Eusebius' explanation at the end of this section.
4. At this time when Gabriel appears to Mary to let her
know she is now to conceive by means of God's spirit, is preceded by Elizabeth's
conception of now 6 months. So Jesus and John are conceived 6 months apart and
will be born 6 months apart. This will also be important to verify the times of
Jesus. Mary also accepts the announcement of Gabriel well. }]
Luke 1:
39 And rising up in these days,
Mariam went into the hill country with haste to a city of
40 And she entered into the
house of Zacharias and greeted
41 And it happened, as
42 And she cried out with a
loud voice and said, Blessed are you among women and blessed is
the fruit of your womb!
43 And why is this to me that
the mother of my Lord comes to me?
44 For behold, as the sound of your
greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped in exultation.
45 And blessed is she
believing, because there will be a completion to the things spoken to her from the
Lord.
[{ WE continue to
see the Spirit hard at work in the circumstances of these two conceptions by
means of these two women. And the 6
months of separation is no accident either. The Spirit of God absolutely knows what it
is doing and does nothing by accident. }]
Luke 1:
56 And Mariam remained with her [
57 And the time was fulfilled to
58 And the neighbors and her
relatives heard that the Lord magnified His mercy with her, and they
rejoiced with her.
59 And it happened on the eighth
day, they came to circumcise the child and were calling it by his father’s
name, Zacharias.
60 And his mother answered,
saying, Not so, but he shall be called John.
61 And they said to her, No one
is among your kindred who is called by this name.
62 And they signaled to his
father, what he might desire him to be called.
63 And asking for a writing tablet, he
wrote, saying, John is his name. And all marveled.
64 And instantly his mouth was
opened and his tongue loosed, and he spoke, blessing God.
65 And fear came on all those
living around them. And in all the hill country of
66 And all who heard laid them
up in their hearts, saying, What then will this child be? And the hand of the
Lord was with him.
[{ Mary stayed
nearly 3 months with Elizabeth and then left for home. Elizabeth gives birth
shortly after. This is 9 months after Zacharias served in his course at the
temple when it was announced his wife would become pregnant. And when Zacharias
could speak again, he was also filled with the Holy Spirit, proof that his
"chastisement" was really more
of a sign to signify a miraculous conception and birth. This is seen in the next
verse below. Never let it be said that God does not have a good sense of irony
and humor in the way He chooses His signs.
Also note that what
happened got spread all around the hill country of Judea. Many of these would
recall all this about 30 years later, though it is not specifically pointed out
at that later time. There were lots of witnesses if anyone cared to inquire.
}]
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled of
the Holy Spirit and
prophesied
A
Genealogical Discrepancy
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Matthew 1 and Luke 3 list different lineages
for Jesus. Some explain that the lineage of Luke is Mary's lineage. This is
wrong as you will see.
Luke's lineage list has many more generations that as does Matthew's list. I
supply a table of each list for reference and comparison.
The lists branch off after King David and meet up again at Joseph. Eusebius
gives us an explanation from Julius Africanus.
| Matthew | Luke | |||||||
| King David | King David | Mattatha | ||||||
| Solomon | Nathan | Menan | Er | Semei | ||||
| Rehoboam | Josiah | Melea | Elmodam | Mattathias | ||||
| Abijah | Jehoiachin | Eliakim | Cosam | Maath | ||||
| Asa | Shealtiel | Jonan | Addi | Naggai | ||||
| Jehoshaphat | Zerubbabel | Joseph | Melchi | Esli | ||||
| Jehoram | Abiud | Neri | Nahum | |||||
| Uzziah | Eliakim | Simeon | Shealtiel | Amos | ||||
| Jotham | Azor | Levi | Zerubbabel | Mattathias | ||||
| Ahaz | Sadoc | Matthan | Matthat | Rhesa | Joseph | Matthat | ||
| Hezekiah | Achim | Jacob | Jorim | Joannas | Janna | Heli (Eli) | ||
| Manasseh | Eliud | Joseph | Eliezer | Melchi | Joseph | |||
| Amon | Eleazar | Jesus | Joses | Joseph | Levi | Jesus |
Eusebius will be in black text and my comments in red/brown
Eusebius of
Chapter 7: The Alleged Discrepancy in the Gospels in regard to the
Genealogy of Christ
Matthew and Luke in their gospels have given us the genealogy of Christ differently, and many suppose that they are at variance with one another. Since as a consequence every believer, in ignorance of the truth, has been zealous to invent some explanation which shall harmonize the two passages, permit us to subjoin the account of the matter which has come down to us, and which is given by Africanus, who was mentioned by us just above, in his epistle to Aristides, where he discusses the harmony of the gospel genealogies. After refuting the opinions of others as forced and deceptive, he gives the account which he had received from tradition in these words:
For whereas the names of the generations were reckoned in Israel either according to nature or according to law -- according to nature by the succession of legitimate offspring, and according to law whenever another raised up a child to the name of a brother dying childless; for because a clear hope of resurrection was not yet given they had a representation of the future promise by a kind of mortal resurrection, in order that the name of the one deceased might be perpetuated -- whereas then some of those who are inserted in this genealogical table succeeded by natural descent, the son to the father, while others, though born of one father, were ascribed by name to another, mention was made of both of those who were progenitors in fact and of those who were so only in name.
Thus neither of the gospels is in error, for one reckons by nature, the other by law. For the line of descent from Solomon and that from Nathan were so involved, the one with the other, by the raising up of children to the childless and by second marriages, that the same persons are justly considered to belong at one time to one, at another time to another; that is, at one time to the reputed fathers, at another to the actual fathers. So that both these accounts are strictly true and come down to Joseph with considerable intricacy indeed, yet quite accurately.
But in order that what I have said may be made clear I
shall explain the interchange of the generations.
If we reckon the generations from David through Solomon, the third from
the end is found to be Matthan, who begat Jacob the father of Joseph.
But if, with Luke, we reckon them from Nathan the son of David, in like
manner the third from the end is Melchi, whose son Eli [ also
Heli ] was the father of Joseph.
For Joseph was the son of Eli, the son of Melchi.
Joseph therefore being the object proposed to us, it must
be shown how it is that each is recorded to be his father, both Jacob, who
derived his descent from Solomon,
and Eli, who derived his from Nathan;
First how it is that these two, Jacob and Eli, were brothers, and then
how it is that their fathers, Matthan and Melchi, although of different
families, are declared to be grandfathers of Joseph.
Matthan and Melchi having married in succession the same woman, begat
children who were uterine brothers, for the law did not prohibit a widow,
whether such by divorce or by the death of her husband, from marrying another.
By Estha then (for this was the woman's name according to
tradition) Matthan, a descendant of Solomon, first begat Jacob.
And when Matthan was dead, Melchi, who traced his descent back to Nathan,
being of the same tribe but of another family, married her as before said, and begat
a son Eli.
>>> Note that the lists show 2 extra generations in Nathan>Melchi's line, compared with Solomon>Matthan's. Between husbands' & wives' age differences, they sort of meet. <<<
Thus we shall find the two, Jacob and Eli, although belonging to different families, yet brethren by the same mother. Of these the one, Jacob, when his brother Eli had died childless, took the latter's wife and begat by her a son to Joseph, his own son by nature and in accordance with reason. Wherefore also it is written: 'Jacob begat Joseph.' But according to law he was the son of Eli, for Jacob, being the brother of the latter, raised up seed to him.
Hence the genealogy traced through him will not be rendered void, which the evangelist Matthew in his enumeration gives thus: 'Jacob begat Joseph.' But Luke, on the other hand, says: 'Who was the son, as was supposed' (for this he also adds), 'of Joseph, the son of Eli, the son of Melchi'; for he could not more clearly express the generation according to law. And the expression 'he begat' he has omitted in his genealogical table up to the end, tracing the genealogy back to Adam the son of God. This interpretation is neither incapable of proof nor is it an idle conjecture.
|
David > Solomon to Matthan and Estha > Jacob (takes Eli’s widow) > Joseph born |
David > Nathan to Melchi and Estha > Eli (dies) |
For the relatives of our Lord according to the flesh, whether with the desire of boasting or simply wishing to state the fact, in either case truly, have banded down the following account: Some Idumean robbers, having attacked Ascalon, a city of Palestine, carried away from a temple of Apollo which stood near the walls, in addition to other booty, Antipater, son of a certain temple slave named Herod. And since the priest was not able to pay the ransom for his son, Antipater was brought up in the customs of the Idumeans, and afterward was befriended by Hyrcanus, the high priest of the Jews.
And having, been sent by Hyrcanus on an embassy to Pompey,
and having restored to him the kingdom which had been invaded by his brother
Aristobulus, he had the good fortune to be named procurator of
But as there had been kept in the archives up to that time the genealogies of the Hebrews as well as of those who traced their lineage back to proselytes, such as Achior the Ammonite and Ruth the Moabitess, and to those who were mingled with the Israelites and came out of Egypt with them, Herod, inasmuch as the lineage of the Israelites contributed nothing to his advantage, and since he was goaded with the consciousness of his own ignoble extraction, burned all the genealogical records, thinking that he might appear of noble origin if no one else were able, from the public registers, to trace back his lineage to the patriarchs or proselytes and to those mingled with them, who were called Georae.
A few of the careful, however, having obtained private
records of their own, either by remembering the names or by getting them in some
other way from the registers, pride themselves on preserving the memory of their
noble extraction. Among these are those already mentioned, called Desposyni, on
account of their connection with the family of the Saviour. Coming from Nazara
and Cochaba, villages of
Whether then the case stand thus or not, no one could find a clearer explanation, according to my own opinion and that of every candid person. And let this suffice us, for, although we can urge no testimony in its support, we have nothing better or truer to offer. In any case the Gospel states the truth."
And at the end of the same epistle he adds these words: "Matthan, who was descended from Solomon, begat Jacob. And when Matthan was dead, Melchi, who was descended from Nathan begat Eli by the same woman. Eli and Jacob were thus uterine brothers. Eli having died childless, Jacob raised up seed to him, begetting Joseph, his own son by nature, but by law the son of Eli. Thus Joseph was the son of both."
Thus far Africanus. And the lineage of Joseph being thus traced, Mary also is virtually shown to be of the same tribe with him, since, according to the law of Moses, intermarriages between different tribes were not permitted. For the command is to marry one of the same family and lineage, so that the inheritance may not pass from tribe to tribe. This may suffice here.
End of Eusebius account
And I'm back to black text, too:
We know for sure that the angel Gabriel says Elizabeth, a known Levite wife of Zechariah the Priest, who can only marry another Levite, is a kinswoman to Mary, a relative. So we can not assign Nathan >Heli's lineage to Mary. So the brother-in-law marriage is a very reasonable explanation. But it would seem to me that it was Jacob taking Heli's widow that was the connection point and not Matthan/Melchi that joined the 2 lines. Matthan and Melchi might have been joined by a common mother but that those 2 married a common woman and joined the family lines is what might have enabled the relationship that led Jacob to take Heli's widow in brother-in-law marriage. Eusebius does not account for the 2 extra generations (Matthat and Levi) but they do need to be accounted as even Eusebius agrees that the Bible must be accepted as truth. Perhaps my possible explanation fits the situation. It, by far, does seem to best explain the situation, given that Mary is ruled out.
Jesus Is Born
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Luke 2:
1 And it happened in those days, a
decree went out from Caesar Augustus for all the habitable world to be
registered.
2 This registration first
occurred under the governing of
3 And all went to be registered,
each to his own city.
4 And Joseph also went from
Galilee, out of the city of
5 to be registered with Mariam, she
having been betrothed to him as wife, she being pregnant.
6 And it happened as they were
there, the days were fulfilled for her to bear.
7 And she bore her son, the
First-born. And she wrapped Him and laid Him in the manger, because there was no
place for them in the inn.
[{ As one reads
verses 1 and 2, it is not clear if there was more than one registration or how
long it took. It started with Cyrenius under Augustus. The main point here is
how it came to be that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem rather than Nazareth in
Galilee. Events would take place from here shortly. }]
Luke 2:
8 And shepherds were in the same
country living in the fields and keeping guard over their flock by
night.
9 And, behold, an angel of the
Lord came on them. And the glory of the Lord shone around them. And they feared
with a great fear.
10 And the angel said to them, Do
not fear. For, behold, I announce good news to you, a great joy, which will be
to all people,
11 because today a Savior, who is
Christ the Lord, was born to you in the city of
12 And this is a sign to you: You
will find a babe having been wrapped, lying in the manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the
angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying,
14 Glory to God in the highest, and
peace on earth, good will among men.
15 And it happened as the angels
departed from them into the heaven, even the men, the shepherds, said to one
another, Indeed, let us go over to Bethlehem, and let us see this thing which
has occurred, which the Lord made known to us.
16 And hurrying, they came and
sought out both Mariam and Joseph, and the babe lying in the manger.
17 And seeing, they publicly told
about the word spoken to them about this Child.
18 And all those hearing marveled
about the things spoken to them by the shepherds.
19 And Mariam kept all these words,
meditating in her heart.
20 And the shepherds returned,
glorifying and praising God for all things which they heard and saw, even as was
spoken to them.
[{ 1. At the time of
the birth of Jesus, the shepherds in the area were living outside with the
flocks. This is important for it indicates what sort of season it was or at
least, what season it was not. While Judah and Israel do not get snow ordinarily
in the winter season which begins about Dec. 21, it is still cold and rainy and
shepherds are not outside with their flocks in this season.
But exactly at the time of birth, an angel of God announces the birth of the Messiah and the circumstances and place where he is to be found. The shepherds are convinced that this is definitely the hand of God as they tremble in the sight of the angel and are put at ease and then motivated to go and see this birth announced by heaven. They find the child as described and tell everyone around them about what happened. All who heard marveled at these announcements.
Keep in mind that it is
quite possible that the word had already spread a year and 3 months earlier about
the events of the conception of John through Zacharias and now with this event,
people began to talk, no doubt. How much we do not know for sure. But the
shepherds were witnesses for God and His works taking place among them. After
word spread of these various events viewed by the people as miraculous, it would
be remembered and 30 years later, it could come back to them that such things
had gone on 30 years before. Despite this, many would refuse to believe, even
though they likely knew of these events and what had been witnesses about them. }]
Luke 2:
21 And when eight days were
fulfilled to circumcise the child His name was called Jesus, the name
called by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.
22 And when the days of her
cleansing according to the Law of Moses were fulfilled, they took Him up to
23 as it has been written in the
Law of the Lord: Every male opening a womb shall be called holy to the Lord; Ex.
13:2
24 and to offer a sacrifice
according to that said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves, or
two nestlings of doves. Lev. 12:8
[{ The Messiah was
named Jesus as the angel had ordained. The Law was carefully observed, as Jesus
was to be established under the Law so that he could fulfill the law and justify
a ransom with his "sacrifice." }]
Luke 2:
25 And behold, there was a man in
26 And it happened to him, having
been divinely instructed by the Holy Spirit, he was not to see death before he
would see the Christ of the Lord.
27 And by the Spirit he came into
the temple. And as the parents were bringing in the child
Jesus for them to do according to the custom of the Law concerning Him,
28 even Simeon received
Him into his arms. And he blessed God and said,
29 Now, Master, You will let Your
slave go in peace according to Your word;
30 because my eyes saw Your
Salvation,
31 which You prepared before the
face of all the peoples;
32 a Light for revelation to the
nations, and the Glory of Your people
33 And Joseph was marveling, also
His mother, at the things being said concerning Him.
34 And Simeon blessed them and said
to His mother Mariam, Behold, this One is set for the fall and rising up
of many in
35 yea, a sword also will pierce
your own soul, so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
[{
A righteous man Simeon was set up by God to witness to the child on his 40th day
of life, as the parents brought the child to the temple to make an offering
for the child as required by the law.
Simeon was to serve as reassurance to the parents who were then blessed by
Simeon per the Holy Spirit. I suspect there were witnesses to this as well.
I have heard it suggested that the parents ran to Egypt right after the 8 day circumcision and that Herod died during during the remaining of the 40 day period leading to offering for the child after which the parents returned from Egypt. I say this is impossible for many reasons. First, it is far too much to happen in 32 days to allow wise men to come to worship and give gifts to Jesus and Herod to wipe out boys 2 and under so as to kill Jesus and also allow the long trek to Egypt and the long trek back in time to be at the temple at day 40. Further, how is it that God did not see that Herod would be dead in less than 32 days so that they would not have to flee very far for very long?
I say that Herod lived
long enough that Jesus and his parents had to flee far and for a long time in
order to get out of the reach of Herod and that would be far more than 32 days.
This is one reason why I do not put faith in the observations made by Josephus
regarding the time of the death of Herod which I will deal with more soon. }]
Luke 2:
36 And there was Anna, a
prophetess, a daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was
advanced in many days, having lived seven years with a husband from her
virginity;
37 and she was a widow of
eighty four years, who did not depart from the temple, serving night and day
with fastings and prayers.
38 And coming on at the very hour,
she gave thanks to the Lord, and spoke concerning Him to all those in
39 And
as they finished all things according to the Law of the Lord, they
returned to Galilee, to
40 And the Child grew, and
became strong in spirit, being filled with wisdom. And the grace of God was upon
Him.
[{ Anna came with
good qualifications and was known to be a prophetess of some reputation. And
she witnesses to all, as a prophetess would, about the Christ who was there that
day and general time. As soon as the offering of the turtle doves had been made
to complete the observations/rituals of the law, they then made their way,
eventually, back to Nazareth. Now it says after all things had been finished
according to the law which includes prophecies about God calling His son out of
Egypt. So while not specifically stated, this included the sojourn in Egypt
which took place after they made offerings for the child on day 40. Matthew
makes these events more clear as we shall see. Luke does not deal with them at
all and abbreviates this period so adequately covered by Matthew. }]
Matthew 2:
1 And when Jesus had been born in
Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men
arrived from the east to
2 saying, Where is He born King
of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.
3 But Herod the king having heard
this, he was troubled and all
4 And having gathered all the
chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked of them where the Christ was
to be born.
5 And they said to him, In
Bethlehem of Judea, for so it has been written by the prophet,
6 "And you, Bethlehem, in
the land of Judea, in no way are you least among the governors of Judah, for out
of you shall come a Governor who shall shepherd My people Israel." Mic.
5:2
[{ From Luke, we
know how and why Jesus ended up in Bethlehem to be born. Matthew tells us that
wise men, called "magi" in some translations of the Bible, showed up asking for
the whereabouts of the King of the Jews since they had seen his star in the East
and made their way to Judah as a result. This
is not a 1 or 2 day journey. It is a significant trip. Evidently, by the
providence of God, these men who we know nothing about, were and had to be,
worshippers ( foreign proselytes perhaps or Jewish emigrants of the diaspora ) of God in order
to be allowed to know about this event.
All Jerusalem was
troubled over this "sign" that had come to them and none more than
Herod. Herod asks the chief priests and scribes who would know the most about
what the word of God had said about this stuff. They tell him the prophets indicate
Bethlehem. No doubt whatsoever that a lot of talk was generated over this event
as was intended by God, added to the rest of the talk going around. It was
getting plenty of publicity that would (or should) reverberate for years to come, at least
30 years to be precise. }]
Matthew 2:
7 Then secretly calling the wise
men, Herod asked of them exactly the time of the star appearing.
8 And sending them to
9 And having heard the king, they
departed. And, behold! The star which they saw in the east went before them
until it had come and stood over where the child was.
10 And seeing the star, they
rejoiced exceedingly with a great joy.
11 And having come into the
house, they saw the child with His mother Mary. And falling down, they worshiped
Him. And opening their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold and
frankincense and myrrh.
12 And having been warned by a
dream not to return to Herod, they went back into their own country by another
way.
[{ Herod did not
want anyone to know about his "interest" in this king of the Jews.
Some might have been suspicious of
Herod's interest. So he inquires of the wise men in secret. They tell Herod the
time of the star's appearing since it was a journey of some days after that,
that they arrived in Judah and from this, Herod makes sinister calculations.
They go their way, being rather innocent and naive to Herod's deceit and
intentions. On their way to Bethlehem, the star, so called, appears and leads
them to where they need to go. They are delighted. They know for sure they are
on the right track. They worshipped, gave extraordinary gifts that were bound to
get attention and create lots of talk and publicity. I suspect the parents had
already been to the temple for the 40 day offering for the child Jesus and had
now found permanent living quarters in the place where Joseph has once lived and
had relatives. But the
star and the motivation behind this star alerted the wise men that Herod was
really plotting to kill the child and to go back home another way, which they
definitely did.
You should know that one religion, namely Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs), so called, say that the devil was behind the star that led the magi (which JWs call astrologers) to Jesus. But it is so obvious that they revere and worship Jehovah and His son and were brought there for that, as yet another sign of the special purpose of this child and further that the wise men were warned of the intentions of Herod that they were not following the devil or led by him to worship Jesus. Further, JWs are unaware of the prophecies that foretold this sign as related by early pre-nicene Christian writer Justin, among others. }]
Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now; I shall behold him, but not near. A star shall come forth out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel and shall dash the corners of Moab, and break down all the sons of tumult.
And this from Justin, 2nd century, "Against Trypho," Chap. 106:
>And that He should arise like a star from the seed of Abraham, Moses showed before hand when he thus said, 'A star shall arise from Jacob, and a leader from Israel;' and another Scripture says, 'Behold a man; the East is His name.' Accordingly, when a star rose in heaven at the time of His birth, as is recorded in the memoirs of His apostles, the Magi from Arabia, recognizing the sign by this, came and worshipped Him.<
Matthew 2:
13 And they having departed, an
angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph by a dream, saying, Rise up! Take
the child and His mother with you, and flee into
14 And rising up, he took along the
child and His mother by night and withdrew into
15 And he was there until the end of
Herod, that might be fulfilled that spoken by the Lord through the prophet,
saying, "Out of Egypt I have called My Son." Hosea. 11:1
[{ Joseph was
alerted by a angel in a dream and departed in a hurry, knowing Herod was soon to
act when he realized he had been foiled by the wise men. Note the prophecy of
Hosea predicting this circumstance. }]
Matthew 2:
16 Then seeing that he was mocked by
the wise men, Herod was greatly enraged, and having sent, he killed all the boys
in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according
to the time which he exactly asked from the wise men.
17 Then was fulfilled that
spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying:
18 "A voice was heard in Ramah,
wailing and bitter weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her
children and would not be comforted, because they were not." Jer.
31:15
19 ¶ But Herod having expired, behold, an angel of the Lord appears to
Joseph by a dream in
20 saying, Rising up, take along the
child and His mother and pass over into the
21 And rising up, he took along the
child and His mother and came into the
22 But hearing that Archelaus reigned over
23 And coming, he lived in a
city called
[{ I doubt that Herod
believed Jesus was 2 when he sought to kill the child. But he, being paranoid
and like all paranoid power mongers, wanted to be safe and be sure to get Jesus
so he sought the death of all boys 2 and under to be sure and get perhaps a boy
of 1 year or less. My guess is that it was not long after Joseph and Mary made
an offering for Jesus on day 40 and perhaps lingered a little while longer. After
all, Joseph had been born in this area and knew everyone around well and no
doubt had family there so that finding a place to live had not been a problem.
So while it is very unlikely that Jesus was anywhere near 2, he could have been
close to one year or even half a year. }]
Determining Herod's Death
& Jesus' Birth
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Determining Herod's Death is just not essential. Many see Herod's death as the best event for determining the birth of Jesus. But we don't need the birth of Jesus from Herod, if at all. If we can determine the 15th year of Tiberius, at which time Jesus begins his ministry at age 30, then we can go back 30 years from there. This is the date the Bible gives to determine chronology. And when you think about it, what better, more prominent date can you use than that of the Emperor of Rome. I'm with God on this one. Now if this leaves us with a year of uncertainty as to the birth of Jesus or whatever else, well, a year of uncertainty with us is not an uncertainty with God. God knows why it seems uncertain but we do not. And we have to leave it at that.
But there are problems with using Herod's death as his death is not by any means certain. Josephus is the only source who has any info to offer on Herod's death. But let's keep in mind that Josephus was born about 38 AD, nearly 40 years after Herod's death. Herod was so hated that after he died, many of his buildings and monuments eventually became lost and forgotten to the world and only recently possibly rediscovered. Herod is a very vague reign in which to date anything. On the other hand, the dating of the Roman Emperors is far better known, recorded, and reliable.
Now Josephus relates that Herod died just before a Passover. Passover was in the spring. So Herod died in the spring or just prior to it. Josephus declares that Herod died just after a lunar eclipse. There was a partial lunar eclipse about March 12, 4 BC. So we could place his death between March 12 and maybe April 7, 4 BC, if, indeed, a partial eclipse satisfied what Josephus reports. There was a total lunar eclipse on Jan. 9, 1 BC. If we allow Jesus to be born in the Fall of 2 BC (Fall being about Sep. 21), with 40 days at the temple (about Nov. 2) and then fleeing to Egypt (anytime after Nov. 2), and grant that Jan. 9 is close to a late March or early April Passover (questionable), then we have a match here with a 29 AD start of Jesus' ministry. It works, but a 1 BC death is not necessary, though very convenient.
So we have to ask some reasonable questions at this point. Where does the info of Josephus come from, given that he was born 40 years after the fact? Why does it come down from no other source 40 years later? Given how much we have forgotten about Herod, is this really a good circumstance to use to try and calculate some specific dates? I would say not. Who shall I trust more, Josephus or the word of God? I am going to take God and will not put too much credence or trust in what Josephus reports. And it is not that Josephus is a bad witness in general. But he does not tell us where he got his information and if we are to trust it, we are entitled to know how it is that Josephus came by this info.
Many, if not most, of those estimating a Chronology of Jesus insist in using Herod's death as a marking point. I believe this is a serious error. We use Tiberius, who many witness to, for his reign, as opposed to Herod, who only Josephus seems to know when he died, as no one contemporary of Herod ever recorded it. And Josephus was born maybe 38 years after Herod and yet he knows, without explaining what his source was or how he knew. As I said, Tiberius is a better choice from a scientific standpoint as well as a Biblical one. With Tiberius as the marking point, a 4 BC eclipse will not work and a 1 BC eclipse does seem to work but is not required. God felt Tiberius was sufficient, along with the other political offices mentioned in Luke. I explain more about the error of calculating the reign of Tiberius in the next section shortly.
So I will accept the 15th year of Tiberius
and go back 30 years if I want the birth of Christ. Harmonizing with Josephus is
not required. Harmonizing with God's word is essential for professed Christians.
Further, the birth of Jesus is not of concern in Bible prophecy. Circumstances
around Jesus birth are important to show that he did fulfill scriptures that
predicted the circumstances, not the time. And we can see that there were plenty
of witnesses and talk about what was going on at the time of the conceptions and
births of both John and Jesus so that 30 years later, people would be able to
recall that there was lots of talk about the births of these 2 nearly 30 years
prior. At the mouth of just 2 or 3 witnesses a matter is firmly established in
the eyes of God and anyone who follows God. IF you happen to have a whole
village or temple courtyard of people, then all the better!
So we need to consider the start of the ministry of John and Jesus when he was
30 and later we can consider the 69 weeks of years in Daniel 9 to see if the
beginning of Jesus' ministry does occur at the time forecast by Daniel 9.
Dr. Jones seems to rely heavily on Josephus for his birth of Christ. This is one time when we disagree on criteria and results. Just making it clear. Disagreements are no big deal among those who recognize the devotion of each other to God and His work. We are flawed imperfect men. And for speculative argument's sake, lets say I was right and Jones wrong. No big deal for such small errors are matters of understanding, not intention or indication of heart. Hardly what we could call apostasy or heresy. We should be able to disagree and yet recognize each other as brothers in God's service. I see Dr. Jones as that. I hope if he ever saw my work, he would conclude the same of me. Dr. Jones has discovered many things that I had not and his work was very important to my improved understanding. Maybe he will benefit from me as well. We all benefit from each other when we discuss God's work with each other and are not afraid to use our own minds and say what we believe, free from the concerns of what others believe or think.
Many consider it a sin to disagree with the "party line" of their comrades in the faith. They are required to adhere to whatever the "party" leadership tells them is the truth. Now this is true heresy! No man should dictate to the mind and conscience of another what is right or wrong; correct or not. Each should make the decision and live by it as he sees fit. Any variance from this is from the devil! Now you know. Those who boss, dominate, control and suppress, are from the devil. By their fruits you will know them.
Jesus Begins His Ministry
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Luke 3:
1 And in the fifteenth year
of the government of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate governing Judea, and Herod
ruling as tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip ruling as tetrarch of
Iturea and the Trachonitis country, and Lysanias ruling as tetrarch of
Abilene,
2 upon the high priesthood of
Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came on John the son of Zacharias in the
desert.
3 And he came into the neighborhood
of the
4 as it has been written in the
roll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying: "the voice of one
crying in the wilderness, Prepare the way of the Lord, make His paths
straight.
5 every valley shall be filled up,
and every mountain and hill shall be made low; and the crooked places shall be
made into straight, and the rough into smooth ways;"
6 "and all flesh shall see the
salvation of God." Isa. 40:35
[{ The Bible shows how John began in the 15th year of Tiberius. He might have began
in the spring when he became 30, since a priest had to be 30 in order to serve.
And then Jesus comes along when he hits 30 in the fall or near it, as a rightful king and a
priest, too, and gets baptized by John. Notice how God has His own choice for
priest to officiate and install His son, rather than the corrupt priesthood
running the temple at the time.
Advocational Bible
Chronologist Mike Satterlee points out: > “Thanks to the writing of
Tacitus, Suetonius, and others, the reign of Tiberius Caesar was one of most
heavily documented in ancient history. Because of this fact any history book can
now tell you with absolute certainty that Augustus died in August of AD 14. And
that Tiberius then succeeded him as Emperor of Rome. Historians also tell us
that
And by the
way, I am nothing more than an advocational chronologist myself. And Mike is
very good at what he does.
What Mike shows, reveals why many make mistakes in figuring the reign of Tiberias, and therefore, the beginning of the baptism and ministry of Jesus. Most figure the 1st year of Tiberius as beginning as soon as Augustus died, August 19, AD 14. But as is the case with many nations around Rome and in the Bible, the first (full) year of Tiberius was reckoned as starting Jan. 1, AD 15 and being completed Dec. 31, AD 15. So we have 14 full years (in the AD era) prior to Tiberius and another 14 of Tiberius and then the baptism of Jesus in the fall of the 15th year of Tiberius, AD 29. No less than Sir Isaac Newton, himself, had come up with the same date. Pretty good company, really.
I do not know how or why Jones comes up with 26 AD other than he subscribes to Josephus and accepts Herod's supposed 4 BC partial lunar eclipse as the sign of the birth of Jesus. But God tells us when Jesus was 30, not when he was born. God knows what He was doing. We need to listen always to Him.
What this means, if we back up 30 years from fall, AD
29, is that Jesus was born in the fall of 2 BC. Does it harmonize with Josephus?
The full lunar eclipse of 1 BC does seem to work. It does not need to. We don't know how reliable the info is, that
Josephus relates. The Bible, inspired by the spirit of God, saw the reign of
Tiberius as being an excellent anchor and the only one needed to settle the
matter. Let God be found true. Now wait till you see this. If we take 30 years
away from Daniel's 483 years in chapter 9, we have 453 years left to be
accounted from the Decree of Medo-Persian ruler to 2 BC. If we counted 2 BC, we
would have a full 455 years BC. But we need 445 BC to nail the 20th year of
Artaxerxes, according to the date set by secular authorities.. And you shall have it in the section
Daniel 9 - 70 Weeks
near the end of this article. But I won't cover
it here. We'll accept 483 years and 455 BC for now. }]
Luke 3:
21 And it happened, in the baptizing
of all the people, Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was
opened;
22 and the Holy Spirit came down in
a bodily form as a dove upon Him. And there was a voice out of Heaven, saying,
You are My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted in You. Psa. 2:7; Gen 22:2; Isa.
42:1
23 And Jesus Himself was beginning
to be about thirty years old, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son
of Heli,
[{ Talk about
miracles! It is hard to miss this if you were in a crowd there. In other
accounts, some tried to say it was thunder. But when Jesus began to heal people
and raise the dead, that should have sealed it. Those who ignored the great and
powerful signs, wonders, and portents of God, being witnesses to God's deeds and
spirit, committed the unforgivable sin by rejecting the spirit of God, even as
pharaoh had in chasing after Moses and Israel roughly 1500 years earlier. }]
Luke 13:
1 And
some were present at the same time reporting to Him about the Galileans, whose
blood Pilate mixed with their sacrifices.
2 And answering, Jesus said to them,
Do you think that these Galileans were sinners beyond all the Galileans, because
they suffered such things?
3 No, I say to you; but if you do
not repent, you will all perish in the same way.
4 Or those eighteen on whom the
tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, do you think that these were sinners
beyond all men who lived in
5 No, I say to you; but if you do
not repent, you will all perish in the same way.
6 And He spoke this parable: A
certain one had planted a fig tree in his vineyard. And he came looking for
fruit on it and did not find any.
7 And he said to the vinedresser,
Behold, three years I come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and found none.
Cut it down, and why does it waste the ground?
8 And the vinedresser said to him,
Sir, leave it also this year until I shall dig around it and throw manure;
9 and see if it indeed makes
fruit. But if not, in the future you may cut it down.
[{ Jesus was warning
Israel as he preached to them that they were all on trial and could end up like
those already executed, if they did not change / repent.
It was the parable that follows that people sometimes miss. For 3 years a farmer
had come to see if his fig tree had produced any fruit for him and it had not.
He was ready to cut it down for under Roman rulers, every tree was taxed after 3
years, whether it produced fruit or not. So if a tree did not produce after 3
years and did not look like it ever would, the plantation/villa owner could
have it cut down. This farmer is urged to give his employee working the farm
just one more year to add some fertilizer and see if it will produce and if not,
then they could cut it down. He wanted to go an extra year or most of an extra
year and be sure. If it got close to being a full 4th year and no fruit, then it
could be cut down before the 4th year is completed.
In Luke 4:24-27, Jesus speaks of the account of Elijah (in 1 Kings chapters 17-21) where during 3.5 years of no rain in Israel, Elijah was not sent to Israel to heal but to Naaman the Syrian, who was healed, believing Elijah to be a prophet, even while Israel had ignored him for 3.5 years. I believe this was intended to be prophetic prototype which Jesus would use to show how he, too, would be rejected by Israel and Judah in his 3.5 years. Jesus points out the similarities of Elijah early in his ministry, early in the book of Luke.
So it was with the ministry of Jesus. Rather than preach just 3 years, he gives them 3.5 years to see if maybe they will produce some fruit. He went out of his way to give them a chance but for most, it was for nothing. This illustration is one of the indications that Jesus did preach for 3.5 years, not 3. While there were a few souls who accepted Jesus, the nation of Israel as a whole rejected him and crucified him, the son of God sent to them by the Father. For this, God rejected Israel, too. More later. }]
Counting the Passovers
to 3.5 Years
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Whether Jesus preached for 3 or 3.5 years when he died, many Bible Chronologists do not consider it important. Oh, but let me make it clear, it certainly does matter and how!!! Unrecognized by many is the fact that 3.5 and 7 are very important prophetic periods determined to fulfill the word of God and work out His purpose. These periods have been determined and affect God's people in the last days and allow them to know what to expect and for how long. And just as Jesus preached for 3.5 years and then was killed, ultimately, by the devil, who used mankind to carry out his will. Likewise, the false prophet, false messiah, man of sin, antichrist, will reign for 3.5 years while Christians are imprisoned and kept in the wilderness so to speak. After 3.5 years, the antichrist dies in a very mysterious way and the nations following him are spooked. It is the hand of God, almost like the handwriting on the wall in Daniel or when the statue of Dagon is continually knocked down while the Philistines are plagued. And just as the devil bruised Christ in the heal, Christ will deal the devil's appointed one a death blow and eventually, Satan, too, in the head, thereby truly fulfilling the prophecy of Genesis made nearly 6000 years previous in the Garden of Eden. 3.5 and 7 are very prominent in the dealings of the antichrist. Though never specifically said, Jesus preached for 3.5 years and it is very important. That said, I will show that there were 4 Passovers during the ministry of Jesus.
Jesus was born 6 months after John, and turned 30, 6 months after John, and was crucified at the last Passover, becoming himself the Passover sacrificial lamb of God for mankind in the spring at 33.5 years of age. This too, places his birth in the fall, likely in late September, perhaps after the fall equinox around Sep. 21. So we will cover the Book of John to begin the Passover count. But I warn you, there is a Passover missing which I will discuss after.
John 1:
19 And this is the witness of
John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites that they might ask him, Who are
you?
20 And he acknowledged and did not
deny; yea, he acknowledged, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What, then?
Are you Elijah? And he said, I am not. Are you the Prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then they said to him, Who are
you, that we may give an answer to those sending us? What do you say about
yourself?
23 He said, "I am a
voice crying in the wilderness:" "Make straight" "the way of
the Lord," as Isaiah the prophet said. Isa. 40:3
24 And those who had been sent were
of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him and said to
him, Why then do you baptize, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the
Prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I
baptize in water, but One stands in your midst whom you do not know;
27 This One it is who has come after
me, who has been before me, of whom I am not worthy that I should loose the
thong of His sandal.
28 These things took place in
Bethabara beyond the
29 On the morrow, John sees Jesus
coming toward him and said, Behold! The Lamb of God, taking away the sin of the
world!
30 This is He about whom I said,
After me comes a Man who has been before me, for He was preceding me.
31 And I did not know Him; but that
He be revealed to
32 And John witnessed, saying, I
have seen the Spirit coming down as a dove out of Heaven, and He abode on Him.
33 And I did not know Him, but the One
sending me to baptize in water, that One said to me, On whomever you see the
Spirit coming down and abiding on Him, this is the One baptizing in the
Holy Spirit.
34 And I have seen and have
witnessed that this One is the Son of God.
35 Again on the morrow, John and two
from his disciples stood.
36 And looking at Jesus walking, he
said, Behold, the Lamb of God!
37 And the two disciples heard
him speaking, and they followed Jesus.
[{
1. John made it clear, when asked, that he had been
prophesied and that
2. he was to witness and identify the Messiah, the one who
had existed before John (in heaven) and who John was not worthy of receiving or
of even taking off the sandal of.
3. John identifies Jesus as the lamb of God.
4. John witnesses the spirit coming down on Jesus like a dove. Jesus receives
appointment and power. John points out that he did not know who it was but the
"One" who sent him told him what to watch for to identify the son of
God.
5. John sees and testifies to this. This was his job, his purpose, now
finished and completed.
6. John's followers now began to follow Jesus. }]
John 2:
1 And on the third day a marriage
took place in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
2 And Jesus and His disciples also
were invited to the marriage.
3 And being short of wine, the
mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus said to her, What is that to
Me and to you, woman? My hour has not yet come.
5 His mother said to the servants,
Whatever He says to you, do.
6 And there were six stone waterpots
standing, according to the purification of the Jews, each containing two or
three measures.
7 Jesus said to them, Fill the
waterpots with water. And they filled them to the top.
8 And He said to them, Now draw out
and carry to the master of the feast. And they carried it.
9 But when the master of the feast
tasted the water that had become wine, and did not know from where it was (but
the servants drawing the water knew), the master of the feast called the
bridegroom,
10 and he said to him, Every
man first sets on the good wine, and when they have drunk freely, then the
worse. You have kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of the miracles
Jesus did in Cana of Galilee. And it revealed His glory, and His
disciples believed in Him.
[{ Jesus performs his first miracle. He would be 30 at
this time. }]
John 2:
12 After
this He went down to
13 And the Passover of the Jews was
near. And Jesus went up to
14 And He found those selling oxen
and sheep and doves in the temple, and the money changers sitting.
15 And making a whip out of ropes,
He threw all out of the temple, both the sheep, and the oxen, and the money
changers, pouring out the money and overturning the tables.
16 And to the ones selling the
doves, He said, Take these things from here! Do not make My Father’s house a
house of merchandise.
[{ This is said to be the 1st Passover during the
ministry of Jesus. This likely coincides with Matthew 4:25. Matthew focuses on
teachings, rather than events so that we are not told of all the Passovers as
the Apostle John does. While in Jerusalem, though not said, he likely gathers a
number of followers who then come to hear him in John 6 as well on the sermon on
the mount.}]
John 2:
23 And as
He was in
24 But Jesus Himself did not commit
Himself to them, because He knew all,
25 and because He had no need that
anyone should witness concerning man, for He knew what was in man.
[{ In Jerusalem for the Passover, Jesus does not let
himself be taken prisoner or caught. It was not his time. }]
John 6:
1 After
these things, Jesus went away over the Sea of Galilee, the
2 And a great crowd followed Him,
for they saw His miracles which He did on the sick ones.
3 And Jesus went up into the
mountain and sat there with His disciples.
4 And the Passover was near, the
feast of the Jews.
5 Then Jesus lifting up His
eyes and seeing that a great crowd is coming to Him, He said to Philip, From
where may we buy loaves that these may eat?
6 But He said this to test him, for
He knew what He was about to do.
7 Philip answered Him, Loaves for
two hundred denarii are not enough for them, that each of them may receive a
little.
8 One of His disciples said to Him,
Andrew the brother of Simon Peter,
9 A little boy is here who has five
barley loaves and two fish; but what are these for so many?
10 And Jesus said, Make the men to
recline. And much grass was in the place. Then the men reclined, the number was
about five thousand.
11 And Jesus took the loaves, and
giving thanks distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to those
reclining. And in the same way the fish, as much as they desired.
12 And when they were filled, He
said to His disciples, Gather up the fragments left over, that not anything be
lost.
13 Then they gathered and filled
twelve hand baskets with fragments of the five barley loaves which were left
over to those who had eaten.
14 Then seeing what miracle Jesus
did, the men said, This is truly the Prophet, the one coming into the
world.
[{ This event takes place quite early in Matthew chaps.
5-7, and Mark 6:33. While the Passover was near, these events were in the Sea of
Galilee. Jesus avoided this Passover in Jerusalem as the next scripture shows.
This was the 2nd Passover, at least. It could be the 3rd for all we know. But I
suspect the 2nd, as I will explain, shortly. }]
John 7:
1 And
after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He did not desire to walk
in
2 And the Jewish Feast of the
Tabernacles was near.
[{ The Passover had gone by and the festival of tabernacles - booths - tents was coming up. Jesus then secretly went up to Jerusalem and even openly preached. It was not his time to be sacrificed. Unless the will of God allows it, nothing can happen. }]
John
11:
54 Then Jesus no longer walked
publicly among the Jews, but went away from there into the country near a
deserted place, to a city being called Ephraim, and stayed there with His
disciples.
55 And the Passover of the Jews
was near. And many went up to
John
12:
1 Then six
days before the Passover, Jesus came to
John
12:
23 But
Jesus answered them, saying, The hour has come that the Son of man should be
glorified.
John
13:
1 And before
the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He should
move from this world to the Father, loving His own in the world, He loved them to the end.
[{ This is the final Passover on which Jesus is executed, serving as the true sacrifice that buys the sin of mankind. But you will notice that this is only the 3rd Passover specifically mentioned. How can that be 3.5 years. Indeed, if Jesus was born in the fall, then this could only be 2.5 years. We know Jesus had to preach for at least 3 years. The illustrations/parables require that. In the middle of each of his years would have fallen the Passover in the spring. Jesus was born in the fall.
At 6 months into his ministry would have fallen the 1st Passover. At 1.5 years, the 2nd Passover. At 2.5 years, the 3rd Passover. So if he preached 3 years, he could not have avoided 3 Passovers. And to have died at the next Passover, he must have preached 3.5 years. So while we do not know which Passover was not specifically referred to, I would say it was likely after the 1st 2 Passovers which came relatively early in Jesus' ministry. So we can be assured that Jesus did preach through 3 Passovers and die on the 4th Passover after 3.5 year at age 33.5, if we believe the illustrations and prophetic types of the past; that is, the Word of God. }]
The Passover Significance
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[{ When God first set up the Exodus and Passover through Moses, God had the intention of using the Passover to show the significance of the future, and more important, offering of His son as a sacrifice for mankind. And while God can be very subtle, when it comes to prophecy, He is usually about as subtle as a sledgehammer or a freight train. He likes to rub it in your face and make a big point out of it that you can't miss. He uses and/or creates events that foreshadow future events. And there is none anywhere that was ever more important than God's son being offered as the sin atoning sacrifice in our behalf. This death would be the event that would not only allow, but force God to intervene and undo the damage caused by Adam to his offspring.
So God set up the Passover which would be followed to the day, by His son and the guidance of the Holy spirit of God. All the symbols of this Exodus were carefully laid out for the benefit of the future Passover sacrifice.}]
Exodus 12:
3 Speak to all the congregation of
4 And if the house is too small for
a flock animal, he and his neighbor next to his house shall take according to
the number of souls, each one according to the mouth of his eating, you shall
count concerning the flock animal.
5 A flock animal, a perfect one, a
male, a yearling, shall be to you. You shall take from the sheep or from the
goats.
6 And it shall be for you to keep
until the fourteenth day of this month. And all the assembly of the congregation
of
7 And they shall take from the
blood, and put it on the two
side doorposts and on the upper doorpost, on the houses in which they eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in
this night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread
and bitter herbs.
9 Do not eat it raw, or at all
boiled in water, but roasted with fire; its head with its legs and with its
inward parts.
10 And you shall not leave any of it
until morning. And you shall burn with fire that left from it until morning.
11 And you shall eat it this way: with
your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the
Passover to Jehovah.
12 And I will pass through in the
Exodus 12: 18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at evening you shall
eat unleavened bread, until the
twenty first day of the month, at evening.
[{ On
the 10th of their first month, Nisan/Abib, Israel would take a male of their
sheep or goats, a yearling, a young unblemished one as Jesus would be as a
perfect man, even though 30 (he does not age), and hold it till the 14th. On the
day following the evening that the 14th started on, they would kill the Passover
and eat. In the first one led by Moses, they would use the blood to paint the
door posts with so that the angel would Passover their house. These were
symbolically marked even as Christians will be, before the great tribulation.
They eat the sacrificed animal in the evening beginning the 15th, the Passover. The angel passes over and Israel eats all prepared as if to leave and go somewhere, certainly not relaxed. They are leaving Egypt for pharaoh will have them leave in a hurry once all of Egypt has dead to bury. In addition, the feast, the meal of unleavened bread, begins at evening starting the 14th and ends on the eve of the 21st. For 7 days they eat bread without leaven due to cleaning out all the leaven before the angel comes so that they be found clean, ritually/spiritually speaking, by having no leaven, symbolic of uncleanness and sin. Jesus spoke of the leaven of the Pharisees, figuring the disciples would understand what he was saying but they missed it till he spelled it out.
Indeed, there was much about the period of the Exodus that was to symbolize what would happen in the last days just prior to or during the great tribulation. But if Jesus were to be the Passover sacrifice, he would need to be killed on Nisan 14, not 15. and here is where confusion begins for the Gospels "seem" to differ. We will explore why that might be. }]
The Passover Details
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Here is a dilemma for which there is no easy solution. When referring to the Passover, one could be referring to the actual Passover night of the festival, remembering the time when the angel of God passed over Israel. But one could refer to the entire Passover season, Nisan 10 to Nisan 14 to Nisan 21 as the Passover. And while Nisan 15, starting in the evening is the Passover, indeed, some might consider Nisan 14, when the unleavened bread began, as the beginning of the Passover, which it was. The Feast could be referring to the official feast of Passover, or the unleavened bread of Nisan 14, or even a private feast a day earlier in preparation for the "real" Passover sacrifice of the Lamb of God. These are some of the problems of understanding that could come about quite innocently. I shall show how the 4 gospels remember different aspects of the resurrection to demonstrate this.
I need to point out that there are different Sabbaths and types of Sabbaths as well. There is the weekly Sabbath, the Sabbath Years with their Jubilees, festival Sabbaths, etc. This has led to much confusion in being sure of what kind of Sabbath the scriptures refer to at times in the gospels.
John 12: 1
Then six days before the Passover, Jesus came to
John 12: 12
On the morrow, coming to the Feast, hearing that Jesus is coming
to Jerusalem, a great crowd 13
took palm branches and went out to a meeting with Him, and they
were crying out, Hosanna! "Blessed is
He coming in the name of the Lord," the King of Israel! [Psa. 118:26] 14
And finding an ass colt, Jesus sat on it, even as it had
been written
Also Mark 11:1 and Luke 19:29
Matthew 21: 1
And when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, toward the
Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2
saying to them, Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you
will find an ass tied, and a colt with her. Loosen them
and lead them to Me.
[{ The resurrection of Lazarus takes place in Bethany at John 12:1. The day before the Feast, Nisan 13, Jesus is welcomed by the crowd. All gospels cover it. It would be easy to confuse which feast Matthew referring to. The feast of the Passover lamb on Nisan 15 or the commencement of the 7 day feast of unleavened bread on Nisan 14. It later proves to be the 14th.}]
Matthew 21:
10 And as He entered into
11 And the crowds said, This is
Jesus, the Prophet, the one from
Nazareth of Galilee.
12 And Jesus entered into the
[{ This was not the first or only time that Jesus had done this above. He had done it at least one other Passover, the first one after Jesus was baptized. As the son of God, directed by the spirit and authorized by God and the spirit, would have had a right to do as he pleased in the temple, his temple, and he being appointed by God and given all God's spirit, authority, and power. }]
Matthew 26: 1
And it happened, when Jesus finished all these sayings, He said to His
disciples, 2 You
know that the Passover
is coming after two days, and the Son of man is
betrayed to be crucified.
Mark 14: 1 And
it was the
Passover, and the Feast
of Unleavened Bread after
two days. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how they might
get hold of Him by guile, to
kill Him.
[{ Now let me ask! When Jesus mentions Passover, is he referring to himself, or to the Nisan 15 Passover, or even Nisan 14 when the animal is sacrificed for the meal in the evening of the 15th? Can you be sure? It would not be the first time when Jesus talked of leaven in a different sense, or referred to a "temple" to be destroyed and raised in 3 days! Am I right?? There is the literal reference and the symbolic one and it would be very easy to get them confused. Those relating these things might have understood clearly but later readers might be missing which it is.
Note too, the wording "the Passover is coming after two days" and "it was the Passover, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread after two days." Without knowing those 2 verses were referring to the exact same thing, wouldn't you conclude they were contradicting each other? Maybe the translator screwed up the text of Mark. Maybe it should have read "it would be the Passover . . . after 2 days!" It also seems to suggest that the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread begin at the same time but we know the unleavened bread starts one day earlier and that the Passover lamb is killed during the day of the 14th. It would seem the writer is referring to these loosely, in general.
The solution could be that both were coming and that it was the actual Passover meal of the lamb on the 15th that was to follow in 2 days. Keep in mind that Matt. 21 was only 1 day before, so we are likely still in that time and, therefore, it is the Passover of the 15th that is 2 days away. If I am wrong, I don't think it is the end of the world. }]
Mark 14: 12
And on the first day of the
Unleavened Bread, when they
killed the Passover, His disciples said to Him, Where do You desire that
going we may prepare that You may eat the
Passover?
Luke 22: 1 And
the Feast of Unleavened Bread,
being called
Passover, drew near.
Luke 22: 7 And the day of the Unleavened Bread
came, on which the Passover must be killed.
8
And He sent Peter and John, saying, Going, prepare
for us the
Passover, that we may eat.
Matthew 26: 17
And on the first day of the Feast
of Unleavened Bread,
the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, Where do you desire we should
prepare for You to eat the Passover?
18 And He said, Go into the city to
a certain one and say to him, The Teacher says, My time is near; to you I will
prepare the Passover with My disciples.
19 And the disciples did as Jesus
ordered them, and prepared the Passover.
[{ Look carefully at Luke 22:1. It calls the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a 7 day period which began on Nisan 14, the day the Passover (lamb) was killed! Get the picture? Am I coming through loud and clear? Now when it says in Matthew 26:17 "on the first day of ;" is it the first day (Nisan 13) which will kick off the Unleavened Bread that evening, beginning with clearing out any leaven around?
Or is it Nisan 14 already? Can you be sure? 26:19 says "prepared the Passover," Which Passover was being referred to? Given Jesus was to be betrayed that very evening and arrested and killed, we could wonder. But reading the entire account from all 4 gospels, we can see it is the day whose end ushers in Nisan 14. It was said to be the day of the Feast because they would be awake when it arrived that evening, having risen on the day of the 13th prior to welcome the arrival of the 14th in the evening.
Important
to keep in mind when dissecting the scriptures is that God is not a lawyer.
Lawyers twist and distort things said, spoken, or written. They will argue the
ridiculous and unreasonable. People generally speak in loose terms assuming their
"audience" understands but lawyers like to unreasonably dispute and
create doubt where none existed previously or none was intended. But those who
seek truth, only want to know what was meant or intended by the persons who
wrote or spoke.
When we seek to understand God, we need to consider what He intended, not what
we want to twist it into. It was the 13th but it would be easy to get confused.
So we should not be harsh if someone got confused. I know I have at times. }]
John 13: 1
And before the Feast of the
Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour
had come that He should move from this world to the Father, loving His own in the world, He loved them to the end. 2 And supper
having occurred, the Devil having put already into the heart of Simon’s son Judas Iscariot that he should betray Him
Matthew 26: 20 And evening
coming, He reclined with the Twelve.
21 And as they were eating, He
said, Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me.
[{ Matthew does not note a particular event or time, just "evening." But John? John says and I quote: "And before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come" John does make it clear that it was before the Feast, which is loosely called Passover before, and his hour had come means we are at the evening of what has come to be known as the last supper (Nisan 14) and John seems to indicate it is the beginning of the evening starting Nisan 14, which is the start of the Unleavened Bread, which would last 7 days.
So when the Bible said in Mark and Luke "on the first day of the Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover," what was meant was on the first day just before the evening that began the Passover feast of 7 days, Nisan 14. So the day was actually still Nisan 13 in Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7.
When Jesus and his disciples meet to eat, it is evening, beginning Nisan 14, and Jesus tells them he will not eat the Passover meal. After all, he is going to be the Passover lamb later that day of the 14th. The Evening beginning the 15th would be the Passover of the angel and the eating of the Passover sacrifice killed in the day of the 14th, preceding the eve of the 15th. Oh yeah, we can be sure after very very carefully picking apart the scriptures to make them harmonize but a casual reader could easily get confused without such very picky care and attention to detail. But God is looking to see who will put for the the effort to get it right, with careful attention to detail. }]
Dead 3 Days & 3 Nights
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There is a lot of confusion and dispute over how long Jesus was dead. Loosely
speaking,
there is the "3 days and 3 nights, a full 72 hours" theory
and
there is the "he rose on the 3rd day" theory.
The 72 hour theory is based on the comment about Jonah being in the heart of the earth for 3 days AND 3 nights. We will explore its best possibilities. The "risen on the 3rd day" theory is based on another comment by Jesus where he says he will rise on the 3rd day, not after the 3rd day. That will be fully explored as well. Then you can decide for yourself. Both offer reasonable possibilities. But I think the "rose on the 3rd day" answers most things the best.
While there were Sabbaths on the last day of every week, those festivals which were commanded by God such as the Passover, Pentecost, the Festival of Booths/tents/tabernacles, were also called Sabbaths - High Sabbaths in the time of Jesus. You can look up "High Sabbaths" on Wikipedia.org and get more info for an overview and read the law of Moses in the Bible, which you definitely should do. These festivals were also days on which no work was done, well, that is, unless you were a priest. They always work on the Sabbaths. As such, the special festival days were also called Sabbaths by Israel and Judah. In time, such as the time of Jesus, these were called High Sabbaths, as they were more out of the ordinary and seen perhaps as more important. The regular weekly Sabbaths were the Low Sabbaths.
Now Jesus was to die amidst the Passover season so that we have 2 types of Sabbaths very near each other. Here is where it is easy to miss these little details and get confused. I did. The evening beginning the Passover, the 15th, is a High Sabbath. Following soon after would be a weekly Low Sabbath on the last day of the week. Some years, about 1 out of 7, the High Sabbath and the Low weekly Sabbath would fall on the same day, making it a really big Sabbath, certainly a High Sabbath if ever there was one.
Now here is also where some more confusion frequently comes up. There are those who keep the yearly Nisan 14 evening meal instituted by Jesus on the eve prior to his death later that day. This is correct. But many of these also say this is the only time one observes the emblems of Christ. On the other hand, there are those who from earliest memory, have observed and partook of the emblems on every first day of the week, even as it appears to be the custom referred to in the Bible which I cover here Part 3: Early Church Conduct and Organization, if you like. I'll put it in Related Articles at the end of this Article as well. They usually do not observe the emblems commonly known as "The Last Supper" of Nisan 14.
But the truth is that both are to be observed as best as I can tell. The Last Supper being a sort of "High Sabbath" of the New covenant and the weekly observance of the first day of the week, representing the resurrection of Jesus, a sort of "low Sabbath," although it is not a Sabbath in the sense that the old Mosaic Sabbath was. It is a new day and new observance with new symbols, celebrating the resurrection of Jesus and proclaiming it to all and symbolizing our belonging to this new covenant by being partakers of the blood and body of Christ offered in our behalf. Both the High and Low ceremonies of Christ are to be kept. That is how it was done in the early years of Christianity!
Now back to the High/Low Sabbaths. It has been pointed out by many sites, not one of which I could find when I first began this article, using search terms I thought would bring it out; that Jesus was dead for a full 3 days and 3 nights if that expression is literal and precise, which it certainly could be. Why some, like myself, did not immediately get this, was because we did not recognize the 2 types of Sabbaths being involved. Being unaware of this distinction, I thought maybe the 3 days and nights was a literary expression. It may be! I provide links to 3 good sources who explain this at the end of this article. So I "guts" me 3 good witnesses for this interpretation.
So we know Jesus died during the day of the 14th. The great Sabbath takes place on the 15th so that no work is done by anyone, including those who might want to prepare Jesus' body. They gather or buy the materials for Jesus' preparation the next day, the 16th. This is Friday, otherwise known to be Good Friday, preceding the Low Weekly Sabbath on Saturday, the 17th. Again, no work on the Sabbath so the women have to wait till Sunday, the first day of the week. It is this Good Friday that has confused many of us, thinking that Jesus died just before the eve following Friday, which began the Low Sabbath. We missed the earlier High one, not knowing it was called a Sabbath. We knew it as Passover.
Backing the days up, to Thursday, the 15th! Jesus died on late Wednesday afternoon, the 14th. This was the first day. Thursday, the 2nd day, the Passover. And Friday being the 3rd day. He also fulfilled 3 nights, the night beginning the 15th (Thur), the night beginning the 16th (Fri), the night beginning the 17th (Saturday, the Sabbath). Jesus rises after the 3rd day when Sunday, the 18th begins and commences. So in this scenario, Jesus was dead all day Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. He rises first thing after sundown of the Sat. Sabbath or not long after.
To make things harder, the Scribes and Pharisees have guards and a seal placed at the tomb of Jesus, for fear the disciples of Jesus will steal his body and claim he has risen on the 3rd day as he has said he would. They likely had the tomb guarded the entire time so the women would not be able to attend to the body of Jesus till after the 3rd day, whereas they could have done something on Friday had it not been guarded. So the women would have to wait till day break after the 3rd day at least, before the guards would leave, the prophecy having failed so the evil ones hoped. But the prophecy did not fail but the guards nearly did. They were bribed and protected by the Scribes and Pharisees from any harm and it would be doubtful that spineless cowardly Pilate would do anything at that point to punish the guards.
So the women start out before daybreak and arrive just after day break. Jesus was gone. So Jesus was resurrected sometime not long after the evening commencement of the first day.
Also keep in mind that the Hebrew New Year always begins with the new moon after the first ripe grains appear, after the spring equinox. This coincides, for the most part, with the spring equinox. So the moon is always in harmony with the days of Nisan/Abib, the first month of the year for Jews. But as months progress, the approximate 29 day cycle of the moon and the 30 day months cause the days of the month to shift with the days of the week so that while the new moon might have started on say a Sunday, as the months dragged on, the moon would gain a day early so that at least 12 days would be moved back compared to the months. So New Year starts on a different day of the week every year. So a year in which Jesus would die on a Wednesday afternoon could not be just any year. It we can calculate the right astronomical figures, we should be able to determine the year Jesus could have died and the years he could not have died, if we can be sure about how the new moon was observed. This is coming up shortly.
Now this seems like a very reasonable and accurate scenario. The 1st, if only, Sabbath was said to be, so (John 19: 30) that the bodies not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for great was the day of that sabbath, that this might indicate a High Sabbath. However, it could also indicate the High Sabbath occurring on a Saturday, the same as the Low weekly Sabbath. But there are a number of circumstances that do leave reasonable doubt, until someone can legitimately resolve them for me.
He Rose on the 3rd Day
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Lastly, I will point out that 3 days and 3 nights could be a literary expression, even as 40 days and 40 nights might be. There are a variety of such literary expressions in the Bible such as in Amos and other places. Jesus said he would rebuild his "temple" in 3 days. Did he mean that on 3 days, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, he would be dead? Or did he mean he would rise on the 3rd day as it seems to say. And this is one of those many points where I do not believe legalism and lawyer techniques are appropriate or useful. Those sorts of techniques are for those who like to twist, distort, and abuse law rather than verify and determine law. Notice the wording of Jesus, when he is not quoting the OT or referring exactly to Jonah.
(GLT)
John
2:
18 Then the Jews answered and said
to Him, What sign do you show to us, since you do these things?
19 Jesus said to them, Destroy this
sanctuary, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then the Jews said, This
sanctuary was forty six years being built, and do you raise it up in three days?
21 But He spoke about the sanctuary
of His body.
I just want to point out that the Jews pretended here to make it look like Jesus was referring to the physical temple of God and the priesthood. But when you read about after Jesus died, the Jews came in to Pilate and warned that Jesus had said he was going to rise on the 3rd day. So they wanted to post a guard at his tomb. So they knew perfectly well what Jesus was referring to, from the first moment he had said it. They were just trying to lie and make him look bad. Some things never change. They will do it today, if they have not already!
Now when Jesus says "in 3 days," does he mean "within" 3
days, or "on" the third day? Or after the 3rd day? It is not clear.
Taken at its word, it seems to say on the 3rd day.
Of course, some say that his other reference of 3 day and 3 nights makes it
clear. But that is only assuming that they are not a literary expression and are
to be taken very exactly and precisely, which could be the case, though in my
mind, questionable. Does Jesus contradict the sign of Jonah and himself, the author of the sign of
Jonah, or are we to understand he was using a literary technique which he,
himself, created. Let me ask this! Should we literally eat his flesh and blood, or only
symbolically so? Why did the disciples look for literal leaven when Jesus
clearly was referring to symbolic leaven? Are you getting the picture, you who
are Pharisees and Fundamentalists? While taking things literally
or fundamentally, a favorite method of some; in reality, Jesus usually spoke
in symbols and parables, and not literally. Pharisees and Fundamentalists have
made a fundamental error of substantial proportions.
But most people who subscribe to 3 days and 3 nights do overlook this passage
in
1 Corinthians 15 from the Apostle Paul:
(GLT) 3 For
I delivered to you in the first place what I also received, that Christ died for
our sins, according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and
that He was raised the third day, according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Peter, and
then to the Twelve.
(RSV) emphatically states: 4
that he was buried, that he was
raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures
There you have it. Paul and the Scriptures, inspired by God and His spirit, says Jesus was raised ON the 3rd day. Not after the 3rd day or after 3 days and 3 nights. But ON the 3rd day. That is how Paul was told to understand it by God's spirit. Now lets consider the idea of a literary expression.
Observe
the literary expression in Amos 1 and which also has many more expressions of
the same:
(GLT) Amos 1:
3 So says Jehovah: For three
transgressions of
6 So says Jehovah: For three
transgressions of
9 So says Jehovah: For three
transgressions of
So, is it for three, or for four, or is it seven? I say it is a literary expression, sort of for emphasis, perhaps and as a form of poetry and prose, maybe even set to music. Need I really have to point out (again) that in general, Jesus always spoke in parables and illustrations? Should it be so far fetched to think he is doing the same with Jonah?
Consider too, that while 3 days and 3 nights could be literal, it is by no means so obviously clear cut and certain. Fundamentalists and strict Literalists, who fail to appreciate that the Bible is full of symbolism and literary (not to be confused with literal, as in legalism) expressions, and not to be taken strictly.
Now when the Bible mentions a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, should I take that literally? Or Cherubim with 4 faces and 3 sets of wings! Is that literal? Or when Jesus says if you have faith the size of a mustard grain, you could tell that mountain to pitch itself into the sea, does that mean we should spend our time trying to do that? If you give it a little bit of thought instead of thinking like the Pharisees and modern day lawyers, you could find many such examples and maybe better ones to illustrate what I say.
The beginning of the of the Mosaic/Godly year, based on the moon, started at different times and days of the week, every year. A new moon has been suggested by historians to take place when the first slight sliver of light appears on the moon, rather than what is sometimes called an "astronomer's new moon," when it is invisible, but exactly at the point where day and night are exactly the same length of time. It is said to be a day or even 2 after the invisible moon that the 1st sliver of light appears. Can we be sure that Judah, with its corrupt priesthood, which observed and conflicted with Essenes and others on how to count and observe various festivals, one arguing for a solar accounting and the other a lunar one, that we can be sure about how they reckoned a new moon? Or could it be that the disciples of Jesus and the Father reckoned the new moon differently? The most likely choice might be the 1st or 2nd day after the invisible moon. 1st? or 2nd? It leaves us in a difficult position, if we are hoping for absolute certainty, for I do not think we can be that precise. What I can say is that we are within boundaries that allow scriptural fulfillment but do not guarantee it.
Another Look at the Sign of Jonah
I want to thank Brian Allen for his help in this one. He subscribes to the rose on the 3rd day theory. He comes from a 7th Day Adventist background and quotes some ideas of Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists. While I do not accept Ellen White as a prophetess, as it appears to me she does present her self as, as do many who follow her. I do recognize her as an intelligent person who is well read and studied and has some good ideas as well as some I reject. But on this matter we are exploring, I believe her and Brian have a valid point. I have always been willing to listen to anyone who can offer a proper reasonable defense for what they believe and will give anyone a change to present their ideas. In a multitude of counselors there is wisdom and protection, say the Proverbs!
Now Brian pointed out to me what he believed in this matter and I think it is pretty solid. So lets look at it here.
Matthew
12: 38-41
38 Then
some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, Teacher, we desire to see a
sign from you.
39 But answering, He said to them,
An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign, and a sign shall not be given to
it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet.
40 And even as "Jonah was in
the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights," so shall the
Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. [Jon.
1:17]
41 Men, Ninevites, will stand up in
the Judgment with this generation and will condemn it.
For they repented at the
preaching of Jonah, and, behold, a Greater-than-Jonah is here.
Luke
11: 29-32
29 But the
crowds pressing on Him, He began
to say, This is an evil generation. It seeks a sign, and a sign will not be
given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet.
30 For even as Jonah became a
sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of man will be to this generation.
31 The queen of the
south will be raised in the Judgment with the men of this generation and will
condemn them
because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of
Solomon. And, behold, a Greater-than-Solomon is here.
32 Men, Ninevites will rise up in
the Judgment with this generation, and will condemn it, because they
repented at the preaching of Jonah.
And, behold, a Greater-than-Jonah is
here.
Matthew's account is a shortened version compared to Luke's. Matthew leaves out key information that Luke covers in detail. But both mention the "sign of Jonah the prophet." Matthew alone mentions "the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights." Did this apply to the sign of Jonah? It must. But how?
What I believe happened here is that Matthew, who is great for collecting together many teachings on the same subject together in one place, even though not all of them necessarily happened at the same time and place. Luke's accounts, such as those of the end time signs, record them in different places whereas Matthew groups them all together. Matthew draws in the 3 days and nights with both the 3 days and nights referring to Jesus being dead and rising on the 3rd day, the 3 days and nights being literary expressions even as they are in Genesis. Then he mentions, without much explanation and not explaining much about the sign to Nineveh while Luke gives this one a great deal of attention and detail.
Now Luke does not even mention the 3 days, 3 nights thing, in connection with Jonah and Jesus rising but he does note that Jonah preached to Nineveh and the Ninevites and Jesus preached to the sons of Israel/Judah. And he relates that Nineveh repented at Jonah's urging, and Jonah was not that great a prophet and did nothing great, and yet Jesus urged the sons of Israel to repent and they refused, even though Jesus healed the crippled, infirm, and deformed, and raised people from the dead and spoke with amazing wisdom from God. As a consequence, the people of Nineveh were far more righteous than the sons of Israel, and the example of the Ninevites would condemn the sons of Israel in the resurrection and judgment. The sign, the signal, was not the resurrection of Jesus, but the preaching of Jesus compared with that of Jonah and the example of the Ninevites compared against the example of Israel and Judah.
We could easily get confused with Matthew's account but with Luke's so clear and very detailed, it clears up the relationship with Jonah much better. But Jesus himself and the Apostles said that he would rise on the 3rd day and even the enemies of Jesus understood this in the same way.
Luke also throws in Jesus mentioning the queen of the south being so impressed with Solomon and yet Israel was completely unimpressed with Jesus, the son of God with all God's wisdom in his (Jesus') possession. The point again emphasizes the reaction of people of the past compared to the sons of Israel and Judah in Jesus' time. This actually refers to Jesus' preaching for 3 figurative (is there any other kind from Jesus?) days and nights, 3 years to be exact! Jesus would preach for 3 years, even as Jonah sort of did. Let me show you.
I would say that Jesus meant that sign to symbolize 2 things. It would not be the first time a prophecy or symbol has had 2 meanings. Jesus would preach a full 3 years before he would be killed, as a sign/witness to Judah, and God's people within. It would also be a sign that he would rise in 3 days, his own words on the matter. Some take literary expression of Jonah a little too literally, much as a lawyer might do. Jesus often gives symbols in the form of a riddle, really. We than have to solve the meaning. Lawyer tricks don't work at this point. We could twist things any way we want but success only comes when we discern what Jesus intended as a meaning.
Jonah 1:17 And Jehovah had appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
When we
read the 2nd chapter of Jonah, it clearly sounds like a parallel
between Jesus forsaken in death as Jonah was in the "fish." But it may
have also been a sign relating to preaching as Matthew and Luke's accounts seem
to indicate. And right after the 10 verses of chapter 2, Jonah 3 begins as
follows.
Jonah
3:
1 And the word of Jehovah was to
Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Rise
up, go to
3 And Jonah rose up and went to
4 And
Jonah began to enter a day’s journey into the city. And he cried out and said,
Yet forty days and
5
And the men of
Luke
13:
6 And He spoke this parable: A
certain one had planted a fig tree in his vineyard. And he came looking for
fruit on it and did not find any.
7 And he said to the vinedresser,
Behold, three years I come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and found
none.
Cut it down, and why does it waste the ground?
8 And the vinedresser said to him,
Sir, leave it also this year until I shall dig around it and throw manure;
9 and see if it indeed makes
fruit. But if not, in the future you may cut it down.
3 years was sufficient to preach but Jesus goes a half year more, just to make sure.
Psalm
74: 12
12 For God is
my King of old, who works salvation in the midst of the land.
But we need to take a more detailed and careful look at "heart" and "midst" and the other issues in this suggestion.
In
Their Midst Preaching - for 3 years plus
I am first going to use Bible dictionary info from the Online Bible linked to Strong's Concordance numbers. My concern is with "midst" and "heart" for the moment.
| English - Heart Strong’s 03820 bl leb labe a form of 03824; n m; {See TWOT on 1071 @@ "1071a"} AV-heart 508, mind 12, midst 11, understanding 10, hearted 7, wisdom 6, comfortably 4, well 4, considered 2, friendly 2, kindly 2, stouthearted + 047 2, care + 07760 2, misc 21; ; 593 1) inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding --1a) inner part, midst ----1a1) midst (of things) ----1a2) heart (of man) ----1a3) soul, heart (of man) ----1a4) mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory ----1a5) inclination, resolution, determination (of will) ----1a6) conscience ----1a7) heart (of moral character) ----1a8) as seat of appetites ----1a9) as seat of emotions and passions ----1a10) as seat of courage |
English – Among
& Midst Strong’s 07130 brq qereb keh'- reb from 07126; n m; {See TWOT on 2066 @@ "2066a"} AV-among 76, midst 73, within 24, inwards 22, in 6, misc 26; 227 1) midst, among, inner part, middle --1a) inward part -----1a1) physical sense -----1a2) as seat of thought and emotion -----1a3) as faculty of thought and emotion --1b) in the midst, among, from among (of a number of persons) --1c) entrails (of sacrificial animals)
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English - Midst Strong’s 08432 Kwt tavek taw'- vek from an unused root meaning to sever; n m; {See TWOT on 2498} AV-midst 209, among 140, within 20, middle 7, in 6, between 3, therein 3, through 2, into 2, misc 23; 415 1) midst, middle --1a) midst, middle --1b) into, through (after verbs of motion) --1c) among (of a number of persons) --1d) between (of things arranged by twos) --1e) from among (as to take or separate etc)
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As you can see, 3820 is translated as heart nearly every time, 508 times out of 593. It is noteworthy that in 85 instances, the translator believed another word was more called for to convey the meaning. Heart is very appropriate where human faculties of some sort are involved, including the mind, thinking, and the like.
Whether its 7130 or 8432, "among" and "midst" are the most common translations. Now for some scriptures that show how these are used similarly. Now for some scriptures.
(GLT) Deuteronomy 4:
10 The day that you stood
before Jehovah your God in Horeb, when Jehovah said to me, Gather the people to
Me, and I will make them hear My words, that they may learn to fear Me all the
days that they live on the earth; and that they may teach their sons.
11 And you drew near and stood below
the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire to the heart (3820 -
midst in KJV) of the heavens, darkness, cloud and thick gloom.
12 And Jehovah spoke to you out of
the midst (08432) of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you did
not see a form, only a voice.
(KJV)
Deuteronomy 4:
11 And ye came near and stood under
the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven,
with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
12 And the LORD spake unto you out
of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no
similitude; only ye heard a voice.
In the account above, the King James Version
translates both 3820 and 8432 as midst, while 3820 is usually rendered as heart.
But both pretty much mean the same thing. Heart here does not seem to indicate
anything living but more to the "core" of the heavens or
"seat" or "midst" of the heavens. But Green's is the most
correct and I would use heart even though it does seem to deviate a little here.
I assume God had His reason for this choice. It is the same with the next
scripture as well. GLT uses heart for 3820 in reference to the seas, whereas the
KJV uses midst. the KJV translator assumes a use more appropriate to English
understanding. But maybe Jehovah our God intended to show divine will in what
the seas were doing. This might be the purpose behind Deuteronomy as well,
showing the origins of the fire as being from the "heart of heaven,"
that is, from God's heart and will.
(GLT) Ezekiel 27:26
Your rowers made you come into great waters, the east wind has broken you
in the heart of the seas.
Your wealth and your wares and your goods, your seamen and your sailors
reinforcing your seams, and the traders of your goods, and all your men of war
who are in you, and all your assembly in your midst, shall fall into the heart
of the seas in the day of your ruin.
(KJV) Ezekiel 27:26 Thy rowers have
brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the midst
(3820) of the seas.
27 Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy
merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy
merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy
company which is in the midst
(8432) of thee, shall fall into the midst
(3820) of the seas in the day of thy ruin.
I am not sure if Brian was suggesting that the 3 days' journey was suggestive of a symbolic 3 day journey for Jesus preaching. Brian sent me an older version of his writing on this and said his ideas had updated a little since then. But I think the accounts of Matthew and Luke make clear the sign of Jonah has to do with Jesus preaching and being ignored, even 3 years plus.
(GLT) Jonah 3: 3 And
Jonah rose up and went to
4 And Jonah began to enter a day’s journey into the city. And he cried out and
said, Yet forty days and
5 And the men of
(GLT) Gen 48: 16 The Angel that
redeemed me from every evil, may He bless the youths; and may my name be called
on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they like the
fishes increase into a multitude in the midst-(7130)
of the earth.
(GLT) Deut 19: 2
you shall separate three cities for you in the midst
of your land, which Jehovah your God is giving you to possess it.
(KJV) Deut 19: 2 Thou shalt separate three cities for thee in the midst (08432) of thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
Again in this last one,
8432 is usually heart. But midst seems to convey a reasonable meaning (we hope)
for the verse at hand. I would still use heart.
I note the following New Testament scriptures:
(KJV) Mt 18:20 For where two or
three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst
3319 of them.
(GLT) Luke 17:21 nor will they say,
“Lo, here! Or, Lo, there! For behold the
(KJV) Lu 4:30 But he passing through
the midst 3319 of them went his way,
(KJV) Lu 24:36 And as they thus
spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst 3319 of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(GLT) Matthew 12:40
And even as "Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and
three nights," so shall the Son of man be in the heart-2588 of
the earth three days and three nights.
Jesus did not quote Jonah in placing himself in the heart of the earth. Jesus himself made that statement. He clearly intended heart and I think when you examine chapter 2 of Jonah, it seems likely that death and resurrection is sort of being alluded to. But is not Jerusalem in the heart of the nation of Judah and Judah in the heart of the earth? But what is quite noteworthy to me is how the Greek terms are defined, for Jesus chose a very different word for heart than the typical midst. Heart is 2588 whereas Midst is 3319. Jesus intended heart and I think this was the case in the Old Testament Hebrew as well. I would say that being in the heart of the earth likely has some reference to being dead and in a cave, the earth, so to speak.
| Heart Strong’s 2588 kardia kardia kar-dee'-ah prolonged from a primary kar (Latin, cor, "heart"); TDNT-3:605,415; n f AV-heart 159, broken hearted + 4937 1; 160 1) the heart --1a) that organ in the animal body which is the centre of the circulation of the blood, -----and hence was regarded as the seat of physical life --1b) denotes the centre of all physical and spiritual life --2a) the vigour and sense of physical life --2b) the centre and seat of spiritual life -----2b1) the soul or mind, as it is the fountain and seat of the thoughts, passions, -----desires, appetites, affections, purposes, endeavours -----2b2) of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence -----2b3) of the will and character -----2b4) of the soul so far as it is affected and stirred in a bad way or good, or of the -----soul as the seat of the sensibilities, affections, emotions, desires, appetites, -----passions --1c) of the middle or central or inmost part of anything, even though inanimate |
Midst Strong’s 3319 mesov mesos mes'-os from 3326; ; adj AV-midst 41, among 6, from among + 1537 5, midnight + 3571 2, misc 5; 61 1) middle 2) the midst 3) in the midst of, amongst
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Definition 1c) seems to allow something similar to midst; however, not once is it ever rendered as anything but heart. I think this rendering of Jonah by Jesus does refer to his being dead, but I also believe it is clear that the sign of Jonah also clearly refers to Jonah's preaching vs. Jesus' preaching and Jonah's acceptance by Nineveh is contrasted with Israel's rejection of Jesus' ministry to them.
Most have failed to recognize this point. In addition, my suggestion that 3 days and 3 nights is a literary expression is not rendered wrong. Jesus himself, seemingly so picky about which words he chooses, says he will rise on the 3rd day or rise in 3 days, not 4. It would likely be less than 72 hours. We also know that Jesus did preach for a little over 3 years, 3.5 to be exact! But with the "tree" of Israel producing no fruit, even beyond 3 years, it was time to chop the old tree down. And when Jesus would come back to life, he would not appear to Israel as a whole. They had their chance while he was on earth with them. Now their house had been abandoned to them. The crime had been done. They missed Jonah preaching to them. They did not hear the words of Solomon. They did not see the Son rising. And to this day, a veil remains over their hearts and minds toward God. There is yet just a little more to consider in this area.
Rising on 3rd Day a Major Prophetic Symbol
June 10, 2010
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I just discovered this while considering another website referring to the 3rd day as a major prophetic symbol and connecting the symbols of God appearing to Moses and Israel at Sinai as similar to prophetic visions in Revelation. But I had not realized the full significance of the 3rd day prior to this point being made. So let me show you how it relates to Jesus rising on the 3rd day, not after the 3rd day and night. The prophetic symbol is strong and meant to be so with Jesus also fulfilling that symbol by rising on the 3rd day.
The 3rd day seems to be a common feature, perhaps a tradition among many
peoples and nations back in time. Below are such examples of the 3rd day
commonly appearing in actions.
From RSV)
Genesis 22:4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes
and saw the place afar off.
Genesis 31:22 When it was told Laban on the third day that Jacob had fled,
Genesis 34:25 On the third day, when they were sore,
two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords
and came upon the city unawares, and killed all the males.
17 more appearances in the following:
Numbers: (7:24) (19:12) (29:20) (31:19);
Joshua (9:17); Judges 20:30
1 Samuel (20:5, 12, 19) (30:1); 2
Samuel (1:2)
1 Kings (3:18) (12:12); 2 Kings
(20:5, 8); 2 Chronicles (7:10)
(10:12); Ezra (6:15)
But these are not the strongest evidence at all. What follows is far more stronger. The first account is of Joseph in prison unjustly in Egypt. God arranges for some dreams to take place and Joseph being there to interpret them. All revolve around 3 days.
Genesis 40:
8 They said to him, "We have had dreams, and there is no one to interpret
them." And Joseph said to them, "Do not interpretations belong to God?
Tell them to me, I pray you."
9 So the chief butler told his dream to Joseph, and said to him, "In my
dream there was a vine before me,
10 and on the vine there were three branches; as soon as it budded, its
blossoms shot forth, and the clusters ripened into grapes.
11 Pharaoh’s cup was in my hand; and I took the grapes and pressed them into
Pharaoh’s cup, and placed the cup in Pharaoh’s hand."
12 Then Joseph said to him, "This is its interpretation: the three
branches are three days;
13 within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head and restore you to
your office; and you shall place Pharaoh’s cup in his hand as formerly, when
you were his butler.
16 When the chief baker saw that the interpretation was favorable, he said to
Joseph, "I also had a dream: there were three cake baskets on my
head,
17 and in the uppermost basket there were all sorts of baked food for Pharaoh,
but the birds were eating it out of the basket on my head."
18 And Joseph answered, "This is its interpretation: the three baskets
are three days;
19 within three days Pharaoh will lift up your head—from you! —and
hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat the flesh from you."
20 On the third day, which was
Pharaoh’s birthday, he made a feast for all his servants, and lifted
up the head of the chief butler and the head of the chief baker among his
servants.
21 He restored the chief butler to his butlership, and he placed the cup in
Pharaoh’s hand;
22 but he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them.
23 Yet the chief butler did not remember Joseph, but forgot him.
The period of 3 days was consistent and common in the Bible. Imagine that! This
continues to be prominent with Joseph. But next is God appearing to Moses and
Israel, choosing preparation in 2 days and God's appearance on the 3rd day.
GLT) Genesis 42:
17 And he gathered them into custody three days.
18 And on the third day Joseph said to them, Do this and live. I fear
God.
19 If you are honest, let one of your brothers be bound in your prison house,
and you go bring grain for the famine of your houses.
20 And you bring your youngest brother to me, and let your words be true, and
you shall not die. And so they did.
GLT) Exodus 19:
9 And Jehovah said to Moses, Behold, I come to
you in a darkness of clouds, so that the people may hear My speaking with you,
and in you they may believe forever.
And Moses told the words of the people to Jehovah.
10 And Jehovah said to Moses, Go to the people and sanctify them today and
tomorrow. And let them wash their clothes.
11 And be ready for the third day. For on the third day Jehovah
will go down before the eyes of all the people on the
12 And you shall set limits to the people all around, saying, Be careful for
yourselves, not going up into the mountain and touching its border;
everyone touching the mountain shall surely be killed.
13 Not a hand shall touch him, but surely he shall be stoned, or surely he shall
be shot through. He shall not live, whether animal or man.
At the sounding of the ram’s horn, they shall go up
into the mountain.
14 And Moses went from the mountain to the people. And he sanctified the people,
and they washed their clothes.
15 And he said to the people, Be ready for the third day. Do not approach
a woman.
16 And on
the third day, it being morning, it happened: There were thunders
and lightnings, and a heavy cloud on the mountain,
and the sound of a ram’s horn, very strong! And all
the people in the camp trembled.
This pattern continue in the sacrifices in the law as well:
Leviticus:7
16 And if the sacrifice of his offering is a vow, or freewill offering, in the
day he brings his sacrifice near, it shall be eaten.
And on the morrow the rest of it shall also be eaten.
17 And the rest of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be
burned with fire.
18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings is at all
eaten on the third day, it is not pleasing.
It shall not be reckoned for him who has brought it. It
shall be a hateful thing, and the person who eats of it shall bear his iniquity.
RSV) Leviticus 19:
5 "When you offer a sacrifice of peace
offerings to the LORD, you shall offer it so that you may be accepted.
6 It shall be eaten the same day you offer it, or on the morrow; and anything
left over until the third day shall be burned with fire.
7 If it is eaten at all on the third day, it is an abomination; it will
not be accepted,
8 and every one who eats it shall bear his iniquity, because he has profaned a
holy thing of the LORD; and that person shall be cut off from his people.
Again, for 2 days, the day of sacrifice and 1 day after, the sacrifice may be
eaten. But on the 3rd day, the meat and sacrifice could be unclean (spoiled) and
not worthy of being a sacrifice any longer. This would be a very important
figure symbolizing the sacrifice of Jesus on the 14th of Nisan, and the Passover
meal of the 15th, and Jesus rising on the 16th, Sunday, the 3rd day. This is
much further emphasized on Hosea.
GLT)
Hosea 6:
1 Come and let us return to Jehovah. For He has torn, and He will heal us. He
has stricken, and He will bind us up.
2 After
two days He will bring us to life. In the third day He will raise us up,
and we shall live before Him.
Sound familiar? Dead for 2 days and then brought to life. The pattern is quite emphatic and clear. This is the pattern Jesus would fulfill. The 3 days and 3 nights seems pretty certain now to be a literary expression and not a precise exact literal time period in referring to Jonah being in the belly of the "fish," likely a whale, I would say. The pattern of rising on the 3rd day is very strong.
Now how many times does the Bible mention the 4th day? Only 3! <> Judges 19:15 <> 2 Chronicles 20:26 <> Ezra 8:33. And not one of those has anything to do with prophetic symbols or sacrifice, death, resurrection, of anything close.
So the pattern is well defined that Jesus would fulfill so that no one would be surprised that it was the 3rd and was foretold in prophecy. All said or understood the rising to be on the 3rd day and not the 4th. If Jesus died just before sunset, then the very earliest he could rise late into the night, scaring the Roman soldiers, would be the 4th day. He could not rise before sunset when he had died. So it would go into a 4th day after sunset. This actually contradicts and violates the prophetic pattern so well established.
I have met some very hard heads on this issue and this section ought to blow them out of the water and shame them. Blind guides are what they are. Now if they want to go with 3 day and 3 nights and not allow it to be a literary expression, which it no doubt is, fine. But they ought to be much more mild and cautious in choosing this option, recognizing the far greater wealth of evidence favoring rising on the 3rd, not 4th, day.
What you further ahead in this article will find in examining the year of Jesus beginning his ministry, and his being born, and how astronomy helps in verifying these things, harmonizing with the Bible rather than guiding Bible interpretation, is that it could only allow for a rising on the 3rd day, as this day in Sunday can only happen in 33 AD, also the only year in which Jesus could be crucified and fulfill prophecy. I have been accused of using extra-Biblical sources to determine this issue. That is a lie. I used the Bible, which forces us all to accept secular dating, the only dating used in the Bible to determine this year. Since it is the spirit of God that elected to use Roman dates, we must use these, too, or reject God otherwise.
Astronomy is yet another witness to verify Roman Secular Dating, and it also harmonizes with the observance of Josephus regarding the lunar eclipse. For so many witnesses to be in agreement leaves the strict literal interpreters with only 1 remote witness to validate their interpretation, which is not enough to satisfy the requirement of 2 or 3 witnesses or facts in this case.
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Though not a requirement, astronomy does raise interesting questions not easily determined either way. Can we be totally sure of the dating of Tiberius? Does it matter if the date might be a year off? I say no. God knows what is right, and whether man gets it right is of no concern to God. If we are within a reasonable time frame, that the possibility, though not the certainty, exists for fulfillment. Faith accepts the rest, knowing that many circumstances could make a certain date impossible to obtain. Trying to find the right year when a Nisan 14 would fall on a Wednesday, the preferred year being 33 AD, which it does allow, if we do not allow a visible crescent to be present, and use an astronomer's new moon as the start. But if we require the visible crescent a day or so later, well, that is the problem. And any other matching year would throw off the year for the 15th year of Tiberius being 29 AD.
Astronomical calculations definitely seem to favor the "he rose on the 3rd day" scenario. The Passover of the 15th and the weekly Sabbath do fall on the same day in 33 AD, 3.5 years after 29 AD. Further, this necessitates Jesus being born in the fall of 2 BC, which is just before the January 1 BC lunar eclipse said to occur near the death of Herod according to Josephus. That so many pieces of evidence should fit together so perfectly is very hard to ignore or disregard in view of the questionable 72 hour scenario.
Another problem I see is that tradition seems to favor a Friday. And we know the Eastern church was the first one under Constantine and the Church who helped establish early Christian tradition. We do not know how many of the sacred sights actually represent what is claimed for them, nor of the times, if they are accurate or not. It is possible that most of their traditions are correct, but we have no way of knowing for sure. Further, those sites are not important and have been made idolatrous, which is a sin. Additionally, we know many of the beliefs as they come down to us today are not in harmony with the Bible, which does not lend credibility to their other claims, or inspire confidence in those other claims. But not all things they did were error and nor all things right, either.
What remains unanswered is why Good Friday came to be. It could be that they made the same innocent mistake many like myself made, if indeed, it is a mistake, (I assume it may be likely), that Jesus died before the weekly Sabbath, never considering that the Passover was also a Sabbath. Or it may be that some remembered how it was definitely on the day before the weekly Sabbath that Nisan 14 arrived and Jesus died. Do we know for sure why they believed as they did? Did John say something to someone who then passed it on, he being the last surviving apostle who dwelt in the East in Ephesus? Certainly we can see how The Eastern church more correctly observed the evening meal of Jesus as the evening beginning Nisan 14, not 15. I would be very hesitant to judge, though I think the evidence would favor that they made a mistake in understanding the Passover timing. We just don't have anyway to be sure unless we are very sure of our interpretation.
We are in the right ballpark and can see conditions that could or do fulfill scripture and that is enough, especially if we throw on prophecies for our time which describe so many many factors that describe our age and time with such amazing detail and accuracy nearly 2000 years in advance, and often much more than that. I will deal with some astronomical considerations in another section to follow, where our choice of 3 days/nights vs. on the 3rd day he rises, will conflict with other dates and astronomical positions. No matter which one we choose, it creates as many problems as it solves.
I think the thing most distressing is the unwillingness of some to more carefully consider all possibilities and not have to be so dogmatic, and be so determined to always have an absolute and certain answer that can not be argued with or disputed. What is wrong with saying "I can not be 100% sure. There is a least some slight room for a little doubt." Humility is important, though quite rare. Some believe in quick simple easy answers. Mr. Meyers, are you listening? And we would all like everything to have simple easy answers. But the Bible is seldom so easy. It requires good thought and effort. It is not for the lazy who want easy cut and dried, black and white answers. We are often left with shades of gray, which some do not like. Not every man is well suited for the kingdom of God, but if he is, he will be humble, reasonable, and give careful attention to matters, quick to hear but slow to speak.
What we want to learn from this is that no matter how much we might disagree with many doctrines of other people, they are likely to have some points they are right in. And no matter how good we are, we can be wrong on a few matters from time to time and have to be always ready to readjust as we have new things pointed out to us that initially escaped our attention. The Proverbs say that if you reprove a wise man, he will thank you. Only a foolish or wicked man would despise someone trying to legitimately correct them. The proverbs also say that in a multitude of counselors there is wisdom and salvation. I seek out other opinions as I feel that is where my best interests and protection lies, if I am to arrive at the truth. So do not block yourself off from those who think contrary to you in some things. I know some who did and do that. They have not faired well and are far from the truth, despite having over 100 years to get at least close to it.
I am going to end this section with a brief consideration of some of the Proverbs I refer to with an interesting extra point to note. Green's Literal Translation comes out a bit different from most of the others. Having carefully looked it over, I think J. Green may have something in his careful literal approach to translation. I do not dispute Proverbs 15:22. It is the other 2 that need some fixing.
Proverbs 15:22
KJV 22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of
counselors they are established.
GLT 22 Without counsel purposes are broken, but by many counselors they rise.
RSV 22 Without counsel plans go wrong, but with many advisers they succeed.
Proverbs 11:14
KJV 14 Where no counsel-(8458) is, the people fall: but in the multitude-(7230)
of counselors-(3289) there is safety.
GLT 14 Without guidance the people fall, but safety is in a great counselor.
RSV 14 Where there is no guidance, a people falls; but in an abundance of
counselors there is safety.
Proverbs 24:6
KJV 6 For by wise counsel-(8458) thou shalt make thy war: and in
multitude-(7230) of counselors-(3289) there is safety.
GLT 6 For you shall make war for yourself by wise advice, and safety is in the
great Counselor.
RSV 6 For by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in abundance of counselors
there is victory.
| Counsel 08458 hlbxt tachbulah takh-boo-law' or hlwbxt tachbuwlah takh-boo-law' from 02254 as denominative from 02256; n f; {See TWOT on 596 @@ "596a"} AV-counsel 5, good advice 1; 6 1) direction, counsel, guidance, good advice, -----(wise) counsel --1a) direction, guidance --1b) counsel -----1b1) good or wise counsel -----1b2) of the wicked
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Multitude 07230 br rob robe from 07231; n m; {See TWOT on 2099 @@ "2099c"} AV-multitude 70, abundance 35, great 9, greatness 8, much 8, abundantly 4, plenty 3, many 3, long 2, excellent 1, misc 12; 155 1) multitude, abundance, greatness --1a) multitude -----1a1) abundance, abundantly -----1a2) numerous --1b) greatness
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Counselors 03289 Uey ya`ats yaw-ats' a primitive root; v; {See TWOT on 887} AV-counsel 25, counsellor 22, consult 9, give 7, purposed 5, advice 2, determined 2, advise 2, deviseth 2, taken 2, misc 2; 80 1) to advise, consult, give counsel, counsel, -----purpose, devise, plan --1a) (Qal) -----1a1) to advise, counsel, give counsel, consult -----1a2) counsellor (participle) --1b) (Niphal) to consult together, exchange counsel, -----deliberate, counsel together --1c) (Hithpael) to conspire |
In Proverbs 11:14 & 24:6, there is an
interesting contrast between KJV/RSV and that of GLT. GLT renders counselors as
great Counselor. I believe the definitions require multitude or abundance for
7230 which KJV/RSV do. All seem to agree with wise advice, counsel or guidance,
all of which are reasonable for 8458. But 3289 is where it gets interesting. To
me, it refers to counsel, advise, consultation or the giving or receiving of
those. While it does not prevent those giving it from being called Counselors,
the focus is on what is given, not who. So as I see it, 7230 and 3289 which
appear right near the end, go together to refer to abundant (amount or quantity)
or excellent (quality)
of advice, direction, guidance, counsel, plans, strategy or the like.
Counsel covers it all well. So it should be that it should end with something
like abundant counsel or advise. GLT focuss on the singularity of the word and
the other 2 focus on where it comes from rather than what it is.
I would also point out that Solomon in writing these Proverbs, may have been referring to God in mentioning the Great Counselor. Green might have really nailed this one by not assuming he understood the intention of the writer and tried to be as literal in his translation as possible.
So were I to translate this, and I will, it would
read:
11:14 Where there is no guidance, a people
falls; but in an abundance of counsel there is safety.
24: 6 For by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in an abundance of counsel
there is victory.
What I really want to emphasize is that many religious denominations maybe have
a point or 2 to offer. We need not fear them and we need to be willing to
constantly examine our own beliefs to see if they are solid and can stand up to
inspection or critique. I have had to revise this 3 times to date. Admitting
wrong or admitting need for improvement or refinement is never a bad thing. Our
only concern should be for the truth.
Some only care about looking good and pretending to know it all without any mistakes as if God Himself was directing their every step. They are liars for none is perfect in the sight of God and God looks for humility. Do not be afraid to talk to people with different views from yours. You can always reject their ideas if they are wrong. But I would not be where I am today had I not been happy and eager to talk with those with different views. I have received understandings from a number of sources and valued them all. I have seen some of them not profit at all, though they had lots to learn. They could never admit an error or face facts. Their ears were plugged and their hearts veiled to God.
Always seek other opinions and advise, if for no other reason, than to test what you have, for if what you have is good, it will be able to stand up to attacks without any problem. Truth can never be harmed by lies. Truth is invincible. If what you have is not invincible, then it is not the truth. Now we can move away from how long Jesus was dead and consider the timing leading up to his death.
The
Ultimate Sacrifice
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John 18: 12
Then the cohort, even the commander and the under-officers of the Jews
together, seized Jesus and bound Him.
13 And they led Him away
first to Annas, for he was the
father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was high priest of that year.
John 19: 28 Then they led Jesus from
Caiaphas into the praetorium, and it was early. And
they did not enter into the praetorium that they might not be defiled, but that
they might eat the
Passover.
29 Then
Pilate went out to them and said, What accusation do you bring against this man?
[{
Please note ever so carefully in John 19:28 that the "mob" did not
want to enter the Roman praetorium and defile themselves so that they could not
rightfully eat the Passover to follow the next evening. So it is clearly Nisan
14 at this point. The next verse below also points out that it was the "And it was the
Preparation of the Passover"
and therefore again, clearly Nisan 14, when the animal was killed and prepared
for the evening to follow, when the angel Passed over Israel while the firstborn
of all Egypt would be slain and Pharaoh would finally let Israel go, after
having eaten in a hurry the preceding evening of the Angel. }]
John 19: 13 Then hearing this word,
Pilate led Jesus out. And he sat
down on the judgment seat, at a place called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14
And it was the
Preparation of the Passover, and about the
sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, Behold, your king! 15
But they cried out, Away, Away! Crucify him! Pilate said to them, Shall I
crucify your king? The chief priests answered, We have no king except Caesar.
John 19: 16 Therefore, then, he delivered Him up to them, that He might be crucified. And
they took Jesus and led Him
away. 17 And He went out bearing His
cross, to the place called Of a Skull (which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha), 18
where they crucified Him,
and two others with Him, on this side and on that side, and Jesus in the middle.
19 And Pilate
also wrote a title and put it on
the cross. And having been written, it was: JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING
OF THE JEWS.
John 19: 30 Then when Jesus took the
vinegar, He said, It has been finished. And bowing His
head, He delivered up the spirit. 31
Then, since it was Preparation,
that the bodies not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for great was the day of
that sabbath, the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and
they be taken away. 32 Then the
soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other crucified with
Him. 33 But on
coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead already, they did
not break His legs.
Mark 15:
23 And they gave him wine spiced
with myrrh to drink. But He did not take it.
24 And crucifying Him, they divided
His garments, casting a lot on them, who and what each should take. Psa.
22:18
25 And it was the third
hour, and they crucified Him.
26 And the inscription of
His charge was written over Him,
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Mark 15:
33 And it being the
sixth hour, darkness came over all the land until the ninth hour.
Also Luke
23: 44
Matthew
27: 45 And from
the sixth hour there was
darkness over all the land until the
ninth hour.
46 And about the ninth hour,
Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani; that is,
"My God, My God, why did You forsake Me?" Psa. 22:1
[{ So
much to cover here. First, no work was done on these special observances, what
we typically call holidays, other than the required preparation. The Passover of
Nisan 15 was no small event - celebration - observance - Sabbath. The Jews did
not want this carrying on into the Passover anymore than anyone else. Further
evidence that this is still Nisan 14. You can kill the son of God but heaven
forbid that you violate a Sabbath observance of the Passover.
We also note that while Luke and Matthew refer to darkness from 6 to 9 hours, after sunrise, I assume. But Mark also notes the time of the crucifixion, 3 hours after sunrise. Some would try to argue that since the other 2 accounts did not mention it, someone is lying or confused. Not hardly!!! That 2 did not mention it does not mean it did not happen but only that it was not important to them. Wait till we get to the resurrection! Also, given this was spring, there was roughly 12 hours of daylight so that with Jesus dead at the 9th hour, there were about 3 hours of daylight left and a Sabbath Passover observance to carry out. }]
John 19: 41
And there was a garden in the place where He was crucified, and a new
tomb in the garden, in which no one yet ever had been placed. 42
There, then, because of the Preparation of the Jews, because the tomb
was near, they put Jesus.
Mark 15:
43
Joseph of Arimathea came, an honorable councilor, who himself was also
waiting for the
44 And Pilate marveled if He
had already died. And calling the centurion near, he asked him if He died
already.
45 And knowing from the centurion, he
granted the body to Joseph.
Luke 23: 53 And taking it down, he wrapped it in linen, and placed it in a
quarried tomb, where no one was ever yet laid. 54
And it was Preparation Day, and
a sabbath was coming on.
Matthew 27:
57 And evening having come, a rich
man from Arimathea (Joseph by name) who also himself was discipled to Jesus,
58 coming
up to Pilate, this one asked for
the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given.
59 And taking the body,
Joseph wrapped it in clean linen,
60 and
laid it in his new tomb, which he had cut out in the rock. And rolling a great
stone to the door of the tomb, he
departed.
61 And
there was Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, sitting across from the grave.
[{ Mark is more detailed in that he relates that when Joseph asked Pilate for the body of Jesus, Pilate was surprised that Jesus was already dead in less than a day. Most take 2 or 3 days at least. But Jesus also had the living daylights beat out of him prior, which means he was half dead by the time he was crucified. Keep in mind that the devil was out to either tempt Jesus into sin, or torture and kill him into breaking down and giving in. Jesus had to go all the way to death to prove to the devil and to all, for all time, that Jesus would not compromise under any test, even to the point of death. So you can be assured the devil was not nice or easy or fair with Jesus. It was brutal! It also says something about the human hatred toward Jesus and the Father, Jehovah, the God of Israel, Isaac, and Abraham.
So Pilate has the centurion verify Jesus is dead and he is, so Pilate gives Joseph the body. Now in case you thought Luke meant Nisan 15 and its Passover earlier, think again. Even Luke now makes it clear that "it was Preparation Day, and a sabbath was coming on." So Luke knew it was still Nisan 14 as well. A large substantial stone is rolled up to cover the tomb after, by soldiers and chief priests and Pharisees, or those representing them. }]
Matthew 27:
62 And on
the morrow, which is after the Preparation, the chief priests and the
Pharisees were assembled to Pilate,
63 saying, Sir, we have recalled
that that deceiver while living said, After
three days I will rise.
64 Therefore, command that the grave be secured until the third day, that his
disciples may not come by night and steal him away, and may say to the people,
He is raised from the dead. And the last deception will be worse than the first.
65 And Pilate said to them, You have
a guard, go away, make it
as secure as you know how.
66 And going along with the
guard, they made the grave secure,
sealing the stone.
[{ I really like this one. Those who killed Jesus, not to mention were responsible for his torture as well, recalled his threatening to rise again. In fact, they understood it as AFTER 3 days, he rises. This would favor a full 3 days and nights before the resurrection. But then again, they previously understood or pretended to believe that this saying referred to the Levitical temple. They might still have misunderstood it, even at that point. They went out of their way to prevent a stealing of the body. They secured guards as much as they liked, to make sure the disciples could not steal the body away. Now given that Jesus often raised people from the dead, surely it should have occurred to them that maybe God might bring him back, too, since it had to be God who enabled Jesus to resurrect others to begin with. But maybe not or maybe they were determined to thwart God, as if they could. It is interesting to ponder. Now comes the resurrection! }]
John 20: 1
But on the first of the week,
Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on
it. And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb.
Mark 16:
1 And
the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother
of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
2 And very early on the first of the week, the sun having risen,
they came upon the tomb.
3 And they said to themselves, Who
will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?
4 And looking up, they saw that
the stone had been rolled back; for it was very large.
5 And entering into the tomb, they
saw a young man sitting on the right, having been clothed in
a white robe. And they were much amazed.
Luke 24:
1 But
on the first of the sabbaths, while still very early, they came on the tomb, carrying spices
which they prepared; and some were with them.
2 And they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb.
3 And going in, they did not find
the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it happened, as they were
perplexed about this, even behold, two
men in shining clothing stood by them.
Matthew 28:
1 But after the sabbaths, at the
dawning of the first of the
sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the grave.
2 And, behold! A great earthquake
occurred! For descending from Heaven and coming near, an angel of the Lord
rolled away the stone from the door and was
sitting on it.
3 And his face was as
lightning and his clothing white as snow.
4 And those keeping guard were
shaken from the fear of him, and they became as dead.
5 But answering, the angel said to
the women, You must not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who has been
crucified.
6 He is not here, for He was raised,
as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord was lying.
[{ Jesus is raised on the 1st day of the week. Look on any calendar and you will see that it is Sunday. The Sabbath had passed and given that it was the 1st day of the week, this must have been a/the weekly Sabbath, not any other type. Notice, too, how each account draws on different details. At first, they saw a young man in a white robe. They did not mention it, and that he shined. Another notes how 2 men came and stood by them. Whether 2 in addition to the one previous or that 1 joined the 1 previous.
Then we have the account of Matthew, which also related how the tomb came to be opened to begin with. Big brave Roman soldiers soiled their uniforms and possibly passed out from fear or at least frozen with fear. The soldiers readily admitted to what happened but the priests and Pharisees convinced them to lie and promised no harm would come to them for supposedly being asleep on the watch, which was punished severely by officers or rulers of Rome. You can bet the priest, scribes, and Pharisees, for fear the guards could change their story if threatened, made damn sure no harm came to the soldiers whatsoever. And Pilate? He just wanted to avoid any trouble so he would go along with anything, too. But no one was going to be able to stop the spirit of God, which they would soon encounter yet again, even as they had while Jesus was alive in the flesh. }]
I am switching to regular black text now. As we can see by now, it was clearly Nisan 14, when the Passover lamb or goat would be killed so that the people might be spared and passed over by the angel of God, symbolically speaking. This was the time for Jesus to die and he did. We have cleared up the language that could and would easily confuse people who did not take care to discern the details and truth of the matter.
In fact, in the 2nd century, a large controversy arose over just this matter. A visitor from the western empire was visiting and found the churches of the east to be observing the "Last Supper" on Nisan 14, not 15!!! Why the nerve of them! But as we can see, the 14th is correct. But we can also see how if one casually notes the scriptures which do indicate the Last Supper and death on the "Passover," then you can see how it might happen. But, it is also obvious that the "Preparation" is also mentioned quite a bit and not just by John, either. So a Christian who really cares about truth and accuracy would take care to determine which it is.
It just so happens that John, who is the one who makes it most clear how those final days unfolded, was imprisoned on the isle of Patmos where he was given the Revelation by Jesus to write. After his release with the death of the Emperor Domitian, John settles in Ephesus, in the heart of the area of the Eastern churches in Asia Minor. So they, long after the rest of the empire lost all the Apostles and those close to them, the East had the very old long-lived John with them to set them straight, which indeed, he did.
The dispute was eventually settled with each side agreeing to disagree and do what their consciences dictated and their intellects could comprehend and discern. This was a fairly rational and pleasant surprise but it would be the 1st and last time they would be so sensible. Later they would resort to involving political leaders, the military, and the sword in settling doctrinal disputes, rather than the way prescribed by the Bible, which was to shun heretics and shun only. No violence or worse.
I do want to point this out, however. When the facts are ever so carefully considered as we have done here, with a number of counselors, though some were not aware that they served as counsel, one can not help but see that Nisan 14 was the proper observance of the last supper, not the 15th. It might seem like a small thing but consider that by not exercising the absolute maximum effort possible, one risks getting something wrong and it getting worse over time. But doing all that we can possibly do in study, rather than as little as possible, we have the best chance of avoiding error and obtaining truth. God wants those in His kingdom who want to be the best they can be and do the most they can, rather than try to get away with as little as possible. Those who resist the will of God and perfection really have no place with God or His kingdom. God is looking for those who are whole hearted and whole souled. Its all or nothing. No straddling the fence.
Astronomical Dates
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I have gathered some info from the following: "Newton's Date For The
Crucifixion," by John P. Pratt,
Reprinted from Quarterly Journal of Royal Astronomical Society 32,
(Sept. 1991), 301-304.
( http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/newton.html
)
According to John Pratt, "Sir Isaac Newton (1733) was the first to derive a date for the crucifixion of Christ by calculating when the crescent of the new moon was first visible in order to correlate the Judean and Julian calendars." Fotheringham (1934) followed with the same, then other modern scholars have since followed. The 2 preferred dates for the crucifixion are Friday, AD 30 April 7, and Friday AD 33 April 3. Newton preferred Friday, AD 34 April 23. I'll deal with that in a minute.
I also came across some modern work of a Murrell G. Selden, who worked out solutions using a computer and some software and making some of his own. He also obtains a Friday death for 33 AD. I link to it at the end of this article. By saying a Friday death, I mean that the High Sabbath of Passover and the Low (weekly) Sabbath both began Friday evening at the same time.
Another work by Pallant Ramsundar of University of Cambridge also have a 33 AD date for a Friday death. I cover his work below just a bit.
Newton also places the baptism of Christ at 29 AD, the 15th year of Tiberius. Newton then looked for years when Nisan 14 could have fallen on a Friday, which means he believed Jesus rose on the 3rd day rather than requiring Jesus to be dead a full 72 hours. Newton calculated Nisan 14 for the years AD 31-36. He threw out the years 31, 32, 35 as not falling on a Friday and most scholars confirm that. 35 and 36 were deemed to not fit history. So he was left with 33 and 34 AD. He preferred 34, assuming the grains were not ripe till the next new moon, I gather. Remember that the new year began with a new moon on which the grains were first ripe. In other words, the moon and the weather, the grain, had to be in agreement in order to declare spring and a new year.
Most academics today prefer 33, as I do as well. Newton had also figured 5 Passovers in Jesus' ministry, whereas 4 would be how nearly all figure it now, agreeing with a 3.5 year ministry. More on Newton's figure shortly. Many seemed to have preferred 30 AD, likely due to figuring Herod's death near an eclipse for an anchor date in 4 BC. Pratt says most are coming back to 33 AD now. Newton did know about Herod's 4 BC date but paid it no respect and accepted the 15th of Tiberius as the anchor. Newton lists the assumptions his work is based on, from : 1733. "Of the Times of the Birth and Passion of Christ", chapter 11 in "Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John," pp. 144-168.
1. I take it for granted that the passion was on Friday the
14th day of the month Nisan,
2. the great feast of the Passover on Saturday the 15th day of
Nisan,
3. and the resurrection on the day following.
4. Nisan always fell on the full moon next after the
vernal Equinox;
5. and the month began at the new moon before, not at the true
conjunction, but at the first appearance of the new moon;
6. for the Jews referred all the time of the silent
moon, as they phrased it, that is, of the moon's disappearing, to the old moon;
7. and because the first appearance might usually be about 18
h after the true conjunction,
8. they therefore began their month from the sixth hour at
evening, that is, at sun set, next after the eighteenth hour from the
conjunction.
So there are the ground rules Newton followed, but then he notes a claimed exception:
1. I know that Epiphanius tells us, if some
interpret his words rightly,
2. that the Jews used a vicious cycle, and thereby
anticipated the legal new moons by two days.
3. But this surely he spake not as a witness, for he neither
understood Astronomy nor Rabbinical learning,
4. but as arguing from his erroneous hypothesis about the time
of the passion.
5. For the Jews did not anticipate, but postpone their
months:
6. they thought it lawful to begin their months a day later
than the first appearance of the new moon,
7. because the new moon continued for more days than one;
8. but not a day sooner, lest they should celebrate the new
moon before there was any.
9. And the Jews still keep a tradition in their books,
that the Sanhedrim used diligently to define the new moons by sight:
10. sending witnesses into mountainous places, and examining
them about the moon's appearing,
11. and translating the new moon from the day they had agreed
on to the day before,
12. as often as witnesses came from distant regions, who had
seen it a day sooner than it was seen at Jerusalem....
It would seem that support for the report of Ephiphanius does not appear till the 4th century AD, according to the Wikipedia. You might want to look up "Hebrew Calendar" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki (The Wikipedia) to see even more factors to consider in figuring dates. It is quite the challenge.
Now, Newton says that it is not possible, though it was suggested, that an "astronomer's" new moon, rather than a visible one, could be used or that they might anticipate the new visible moon without actually seeing it. Newton points out the care the Jews took to determine the visible new moon, which does lend credibility to a precise observance. However, it also allows for a day variance given that the new moon could be seen a day sooner in some regions than in others. They would compare sightings and agree to a determination. As I see it, the priests at the temple had a right to determine the new moon by their observation alone in Jerusalem, as they were the ones authorized by the law of God to make that determination, from which the declaration would go forth. But that they took such care is hard to fault. But it does leave the possibility of a day variance, I would think.
Newton believes that only 33 AD and 34 AD fall on a Friday. He discounts 33, due to Luke 6:1, where the disciples began to pluck grains and eat, not on the 1st Sabbath, but on the 2nd. I am not sure this means the first Sabbath of the new year, though it could. It leaves us with another factor that could affect the outcome either way. But if the new moon was not set late, then 33 AD would be a good candidate for the year Christ dies for it also fits with the 29 AD date for the beginning of his 3.5 year ministry. But it does violate the full 72 hour dead time for Jesus.
I just thought I would point out that if Jesus was born in the fall of 2 BC, then he would be 30 in the fall of 29 AD. Assuming a date near Sept. 21 for the fall equinox of 2 BC, and allowing 40 days to the appearance of Jesus at the temple, and then fleeing to Egypt, Herod could have died in Jan. of 1 BC, the time of the 2nd calculated eclipse referred to by Josephus. So there is much to commend to the 29 and 33 AD dates.
The 3 days, 3 nights, 72 hours, Wednesday night, Nisan 14
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This is from http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Research/RamsundarP01.pdf , entitled "Dating Christ’s Crucifixion"
The author seems to favor the full 72 hours scenario, which is certainly a
reasonable option to accept. He analyses astronomical dates and finds four
possible Wed./Nisan 14 years.
"Thus the astronomically possible Julian dates
for a Wednesday crucifixion are:"
- Wed March 12, AD 27
- Wed April 28, AD 28
- Wed April 25, AD 31
- Wed March 24, AD 34
and given 5.2 Evidence of the Fig Leaves
"In Mark 11:13 and Matt 21:19, Jesus sees a fig tree with leaves on the eve of his
crucifixion. Since figs are among the late-bearing fruits in Jerusalem, this evidence points to a crucifixion late in the year, and thus a post-equinox start of the year[38]. This limits the possible dates of the crucifixion to the following:"What we are left with here is much less appealing, as far as astronomical associations go. Could the 15th year of Tiberius, be off a year, one way or the other, making it 28 or 30 AD? Could it be 2 years longer at 31 AD? It could. But how would we prove that? If we stick to evidence at hand, we can not really argue for 31. We could allow a year to 28. But 29 AD seems pretty well attested to, as far as historians and the like, go. Changing the primary criteria of the Bible to determine the start of the ministry of Jesus is not a good way to establish firm ground.
Astronomical calculations are intriguing but lets be honest here. How many of us really understand those calculations? How do we confirm or defend what we do not really understand? And how do we understand what we can not explain? Further, I get different dates from Newton, that I do just above. And I have seen other figures as well. While astronomical methods are commendable, they are also full of dependencies on what is reported to them to calculate.
When one is overwhelmed with too many factors to account for, we must retreat to what we can be sure of, and go from there. Jesus began his ministry near the age of 30 in the 15th year of Tiberius. Not only does 29 AD make a lot of sense from the recordings of historians, but if you examine the 69 Weeks of Daniel 9, you will see that 29 AD also fits that time frame as well. With so many things answered and explained by 29 AD, it seems hard not to favor a "he rose on the 3rd day" scenario.
There is also the matter of humility. Sir Isaac Newton was not stupid. He was not irrational. He was, in fact, brilliant, by nearly any account, secular, religious, or otherwise. He favors the 3rd day rise. Many others of good training and thinking also have favored this as the best explanation for what we have in the Bible. The 72 hour explanation, by itself, is a very good one, but not one that eliminates the 3rd day rise, by any means and the 72 hour theory does not harmonize with other features.
My conclusion, till better evidence comes in, (and I am always willing to hear new evidence, and change if the evidence merits a change) is in favor of a likely 2 BC birth, 29 AD start of Jesus' ministry, and a 33 AD crucifixion, at 33.5 years of age, with Jesus raised on the 3rd day. Too many things seem to link to this. All those links are lost if we embrace the 72 hour scenario. Now if one can show that other years allow a Nisan 14 on a Wednesday, or that the 15th of Tiberius should be re-dated, or some other consideration, then I will be happy to hear it out and consider it.
Daniel 9 - 70 Weeks
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This is a well known account among those who study prophecy for it is clear
in the wording that this is one of those few times when Ezekiel 4's day for a
year principle applies, unlike the 7 times of Daniel 4 or other such places. It
is easy to understand the basics. But there are a few snares to avoid. We'll
cover the basics and then get into where we start, since there are 4 places
where we could start.
Daniel 9: 24 Seventy weeks are
decreed as to your people, and as to your holy city, to finish the
transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and
prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.
This
is a tricky statement all by itself. But the 70 weeks covers everything from
restoring and rebuilding Jerusalem all the way to the end, to bring in
everlasting righteousness and all that jazz. But if one does the day for a year
math, you quickly recognize that there is no where near enough days/years to do
that. There is a trick to it. The vision is split into 2 pieces to make it a
little easier for us.
Daniel 9:
25 Know, then, and understand that
from the going out of a word to restore and to rebuild
26 And after sixty two weeks,
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of a coming prince
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with the flood,
and ruins are determined, and war shall be until the end.
These verses of 25-26 apply to the Messiah's appearance after the decree to rebuild. A total of 7 and 62 weeks, 69 total, to the Messiah (meaning the anointed). Jesus is not anointed till baptized by John. This period is calculated to be 69 weeks multiplied by 7 to get the number of days, 483. Days representing years, we expect 483 years from the decree to Jesus being anointed at age 30, fall on what we have calculated to be 29 AD. If we take Jesus' 30 years away from Fall 29 AD and 483, we have a Fall 2 BC, for there is no zero year, just a zero point, his birth; and 453. Add 2 BC and 453 and we are at 455 complete years BC. Does 455 BC fit anything? We'll discuss that shortly.
Verse
26 has the Messiah cut off, killed, and a people and prince destroying the city,
Jerusalem, and its temple/sanctuary and war shall continue to the end. This is
our clue to jump to the end.
Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm a
covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall
cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a wing of the altar will
be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was
decreed shall pour out on the desolator.
And if we are in doubt, the description to follow comes from an earlier vision of Daniel (7:25) regarding a fearsome beast out of which comes 10 horns, 3 horns, and a grandiose horn with a big mouth. Several descriptions all point to this horn - king - prince - desolator -identified as the false prophet, false messiah/christ, man of sin, antichrist in various New Testament prophetic visions. He will form a covenant at the end, for one week - 7 days- meaning 7 years. In the middle of that week, 3.5 years, he stops the "sacrifice and offerings" to God. Those come from God's people who are elsewhere in Daniel and Revelation, also shown as being stopped, hidden in the desert wilderness, almost as if they were killed, but then come back to life after 3.5 years.
At the end of this 3.5 years, which is also the end of the 7 year term of
this prince - desolator, that which was decreed shall come on the desolator.
Daniel 8:25 says: “he shall be broken without a hand.”
There are many reinforcing prophecies which indicate how things will come out with a description of many circumstances that God wants us to know about before it all happens to us. But what we are here to discuss is how this relates to time and chronology of Jesus and other Bible events. What about 455 BC??? What can be said about that? Well here we go!
Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones, in his “The Chronology of the Old Testament” 2004, pg. 206, offers the 4 decrees recorded in the Bible.
1. The decree issued to rebuild the temple in the first year of Cyrus, 536 BC (2 Chron. 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-6; Ezra 5:13-17)
2. The decree issued to complete the temple in the second year of Darius (I) Hystaspis, 519 BC (Ezra 4:24; 6:1-12)
3. The decree issued to beautify the temple in the seventh year of Artaxerxes (Ezra 7:7-28)
4. The decree issued to build
the city of
He points out that from Julius Africanus (c. AD 200-245) to many more after, all select no. 4, the 20th year of Artaxerxes Longimanus (465-424 BC), even though the other selections all have their supporters. Jones also likes Longimanus as well. But Jones does point out that no. 3, Longimanus' 7th year decree, is dated to 458 BC or possibly 457 BC (pg 207 Jones' book). Some have said that there is likely a 10 year error in the dating of Longimanus' 20th year so that 455 BC is his 20th year. It could be or might be, but to suggest that without evidence is unacceptable to me, and without good merit. The 7th year seems less impressive as to the decree that would seem to harmonize with the prophecy. But it does only leave us 3 years off, being the year 458 BC. But the problem here is that the dates of Babylon and Persia are among the most verified and attested dates of nearly any time period in history, due to their astronomical associations and numerous clay cuneiform tablets of business and banking establishments of the time. I need to introduce my own "expert witness" in this matter.
Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones also relates how previous researchers had found, as has Mr. Jonsson below, my expert witness called to the stand, that 483 years (69 weeks of years, 7 x 69 = 483) should be lunar years of 360 days, as it is in Revelation and elsewhere. 483 x 360, which you then divide by 365.2422, the number of days in a Solar year, gives you 474 solar years. Solar years are how time is normally tracked by time keepers and chroniclers and the only measurement that would enable us to determine if the prophecy is right or not. But Jonsson has linked astronomical dates to add another level of certainty to the matters involved in this juncture.
From - THE 20TH YEAR OF ARTAXERXES AND THE "SEVENTY WEEKS" OF DANIEL - by © Carl Olof Jonsson, Göteborg, Sweden, 1989. Revised 1999, 2003. I provide a link to this article at the end under Related Articles. Carl is well known among chronologists and The Society for Interdisciplinary Studies (SIS), having been published by them several times. He is the author of several books on chronology. He is one of the foremost authorities on the reigns/chronologies of the Babylonian and Persian periods, being familiar with evidence few have ever really sought and considered. He is also well known to have plunged a dagger (metaphorically speaking) into the heart of Jehovah's Witnesses' (so-called) chronological doctrines. Here are the principle quotes from his work related to Daniel 9.
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""Artaxerxes’ reign astronomically
fixed
The decisive evidence for the length of Artaxerxes’ rule is the astronomical information found on a number of tablets dated to his reign. One such text is the astronomical "diary" "VAT 5047", clearly dated to the 11th year of Artaxerxes. Although the text is damaged, it preserves information about two lunar positions relative to planets and the positions of Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. This information suffices to identify the date of the text as 454 B.C. As this was the 11th year of Artaxerxes, the preceding year, 455 BC, cannot have been his 20th year as the Watch Tower Society claims, but his 10th year. His 20th year, then, must have been 445/44 BC. (See Sachs/Hunger, Astronomical Diaries and Related Texts from Babylonia, Vol. 1, Wien 1988, pp. 56-59.)
There are also some tablets dated to the 21st and last year of Xerxes. One of them, BM 32234, which is dated to day 14 or 18 of the 5th month of Xerxes’ 21st year, belongs to the group of astronomical texts called "18-year texts" or "Saros texts". The astronomical information preserved on this tablet fixes it to the year 465 BC. The text includes the following interesting information: "Month V 14 (+x) Xerxes was murdered by his son." This text alone not only shows that Xerxes ruled for 21 years, but also that his last year was 465 BC, not 475 as the Society holds!
There are several "Saros texts" of this type covering the reigns of Xerxes and Artaxerxes. The many detailed and dated descriptions of lunar eclipses from different years of their reigns establish the chronology of this period as an absolute chronology.
Two other astronomical tablets from the reigns of Xerxes and Artaxerxes, BM 45674 and BM 32299, contain dated observations of the planet Venus. Again, these observations establish the chronology of this period as an absolute chronology.
Thus we have numerous astronomical observations
dated to different parts of the reigns of Xerxes and Axtaxerxes preserved on
cuneiform tablets. In many cases, only one or two of these observations would
suffice to establish the beginning and end of their reigns. The total number of
astronomical observations dated to their reigns, however, are about 40 or more. It
is impossible, therefore, to change their reigns even one year! The
Society’s dating of Artaxerxes’ 20th year to 455 BC is demonstrably wrong.
This, of course, also proves that their interpretation of the 70 weeks of Daniel
is wrong.""
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""The Seventy Weeks of Daniel
A number of applications of the 70 weeks of Daniel have appeared throughout the centuries. Some of them, including that of the Watch Tower Society, have to be discarded at once, as they can be shown to be in direct conflict with historically established dates. They have nothing to do with reality.
If Artaxerxes’ 20th year was 445/44 instead
of 455, it is still possible to start from that year, provided that we use a
"prophetical year" of 360 days instead of the solar year of 365,2422
days. This was demonstrated by Sir Robert Anderson in his book The Coming
Prince (first published in 1895). His application has recently been improved
upon by H. W. Hoehner in his book Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ
(1977), pages 135ff. These authors show that the 476 years from Artaxerxes’
20th year, 445/44 BC, to the death of Christ ( if set at 33 A.D.) correspond to
483 years of 360 days. (476x365.2422 is 173.855 days, and if this number is
divided by 360 we get 483 years.) This is just one example of an application
that at least has the advantage of a historically established date at its start.""
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Now let us just think about this for a minute. We have often used lunar months in the Bible. But in figuring king's reigns in Kings and Chronicles, we do assume an exact solar year for day in determining the prophetic days of Ezekiel 4. Should we assume lunar 360 day years for this Daniel 9? Well, it is not really clear. God left it open and perhaps with good reason. Keep in mind that He mixes up the way prophecies are interpreted in order keep the enemy confused and disbelieving. But God believes that we should be able to grasp and 2nd guess at what He is doing. Given that 69 weeks of lunar years, which comes to 476 days (assumed to be years) (483 x 360, which is then divided by 365.25 to see how many years it really is), and not 483 solar years, and pushed back from 29 AD, works out perfectly to 445/444 BC, covering the whole period exactly! Do we not have a match? But starting at 29 AD (the beginning of Jesus' ministry) is necessary.
Those 360 Day Years
I should point out here a few particulars when it comes to "prophetic years" and interpretation. Ezekiel 4 uses a symbolism whereby Ezekiel lays on one side for 390 days to symbolize the 390 years of sin of Israel. Since God already gives us the time length of the sin, we really don't have to interpret anything. Ezekiel can't lay on his side for 390 years so days is a little better, making it just over a year to accomplish it.
Now many suggest that 360 days for a year was the actual literal precise length of a day before the flood of Noah. They say that the flood factors somehow altered the spin of the earth and this is entirely possible and reasonable. My own research suggests that comet/asteroid impacts may very well have initiated cracks in the crust and massive volcanic eruptions that began the flood sequence and manifestations. However, as possible as it is, there is no way to confirm or prove it.
But it is quite clear that the Babylonians did use a 360 year or at least a 360 division of measurement and their measure of time involves 60 as in 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 6 x 60 changed to 12 x 30 days for a year. But while this seems to be a prophetic concept as well, it has a practical side to it, that is used by navigators. A solar year is about 365.25 days. Navigation has to measure and account for all 4 directions of the globe, from pole to pole, north/south, and around the equator, either left or right, east or west. 4 directions in all. If one works with flat plane geometry, one still has to account for up/down and left/right, positive/negative. Dividing quadrants of a geometric surface of the globe of the world requires these directions. But how do we divide up 365 into 4 neat equal quadrants? And do so nearly on a day per unit of measurement? To do it exactly, we can't. But if we just take away those pesky 5.25 days, we have 360, which divides perfectly into 4 sections of an even 90 days, also divisible by 2, 3, 5, 6, and 10. These are all commonly used dividers.
So whether traveling north or south, east or west, we can measure distance as a day's travel (almost), and divide a day by 24 (2 x 12) units of 60 minutes each. A circle can be divided into 360 pieces/slices, with an even 90 for each quadrant. So it would appear the ancients, perhaps led by none other than the Father, Jehovah, Sovereign of the universe, maybe through Noah or, not out of reach but less likely, Adam, may have handed down this system of math accounting. It would appear that navigation of the globe/earth was understood and time and location were measured in divisions as close to 365 as they could be, while still remaining practical for navigation, etc. This is likely so, whether the days were 360 per year at one time or not.
But it is also a fact that 360 and 30 were yearly and monthly divisions used in the Bible (particularly in Revelation) and God no doubt had reasons for that as He always does. A difficulty in calculating a day for a year is that we end up with leap years and extra leap years as well when figuring periods of 40 years or more as we are with 69 weeks of years. I suspect that God saw too much complication to leave this to chance. While He likes to challenge us and test how much we really want something, He is also fair and reasonable with expectations so that He avoids making it nearly unattainable. A good solution for 69 weeks of years is that weeks are consistently 7 days, and years always 360 days, so we can be sure about 483 years actually being 476 solar years. But what about those years? Well, God did the same for the years, by constantly referring to 30 months, and 360 day years. We can't miss it then and it is still sufficiently veiled as to elude the right people. So 483 x 360 gives us a nice number of days, which when re-divided by about 365.2422 still comes out to 476 actual years, which we desperately need if we are to be able to confirm this length of time in terms of kingships and rule. And it gives us an answer that works. That in itself is rather remarkable. By the way, whether you use 365.25 or 365.2422, it still comes out as 476 when rounded. You can't fail!
Back to Artaxerxes Possibilities
All the same, Artaxerxes 7th year, going by solar years, only puts us 3 years off and could allow something other than 29 AD, providing that all of Rome is off. But I favor the more direct, less confusion method allowing reasonable fulfillment of God's work. Regardless of what comes about, those with faith will not doubt God's work and will wait for His explanation, if need be, just as the devil should have waited if he had any doubt about God's motives in seeing what humans would do.
And consider what the purpose of all prophecy is! It is to comfort and reassure His people and His prophets that everything is going to plan and there is no need to fear or worry. It should instill confidence, trust; faith in God and His works. It works for me. That it should fit so exactly and precisely to the exact year, provided that one actually accepts the 15th year of Tiberius rather than some vague time of Herod. How much more could you want or ask? It is a veritable "sign from heaven," isn't it?
So while our initial 483 years back to 445 BC failed, in further consideration of lunar years, we do end up at 445/444 with 476 years. It can not get much closer. It leaves us 2 years short as 29 AD to 445 BC is 475. Oh, your not going to fault me for a year, are you? But knowing renal years and ascension years as we should, we know how years of accounting can vary by a year so that we are within very reasonable limits that allow for fulfillment though do not nail it precisely. God might see the mistake and He always tells truth and correct figures, even if we have them wrong.
While it may not please a few skeptics (and isn't that the whole idea?), it should certainly be a reasonable explanation for those who trust God. Now this does not mean that God won't have another interpretation for us when we get to the other side of Judgment Day, but what we have gives us good reason to believe we are in the right "ballpark." We are not far off and what I have offered gives us a good solid possibility, added to so many other prophecies and events, that it is hardly any reason to run out and burn our Bibles and renounce God.
And if this whole scenario from 445 BC to 29 AD is certain, it pretty well verifies the secular days and dates in between as well. This does not hurt secular history for that period and compliments it. Agreement is always nice.
If you want to know more about the prophetic aspects of Daniel and Revelation, I will link the God's Plan page where all the prophecies are covered in a lot of detail at the end of this article. And if you follow Carl's link, I recommend taking a look around at his entire site. It has a lot that is of interest.
As for Bible Chronology, I will point out that we are anchored by the 587 BC fall of Jerusalem. We are dependant upon secular chronology from 587 BC onward to the present for the Bible uses secular dates from that point onward. Who are we to question God? While we can determine with reasonable accuracy when Jesus was born and died, we can not say as surely when or if the 69 weeks is accurate. It is possible. God knows the truth and can show us, once everything else is settled and God's Kingdom has taken over and the earth is filled with the knowledge of God.
I also want to make this point! 3.5 years is a very important, prominent prophetic period of time, just maybe the most important in all the Bible. No place more so than in Revelation. It is critical that you understand why this is so. And I cover Jesus' ministry here in detail because his ministry being 3.5 years is part of that very important length of time. 3.5 and 7 are everywhere and more are recognizing this all the time. Take some time to look into Daniel's and Revelation's prophecies. They are there for a very important reason.
As regards the variety of ideas out there, they are nearly limitless and I have no desire to cover them in any detail. I have tried to show the most common mistakes that throw most off. Using Herod's death rather than Tiberius' reign is a mistake! And even when starting with Tiberius, we need to be careful. But the real point of the gospels is to highlight the technique that Jesus used so often as do all the prophets and the rest of the Bible; to speak in figures, parables, illustrations, riddles, mysteries and the like so that we can interpret the symbolic messages delivered to us by the prophets and God's son so that we can be alerted to what it is we need to know, be aware of, and prepare for, so that we do not get caught off guard and fail the most important test of our lives that will determine our salvation.
Jesus showed those of his time amazing signs, wonders, and portents from God, to prove that his, Jesus', words, as well as those of his Apostles, are from God as well. For the rest of us, he left a record of these deeds and gave us prophecies so that we might recognize the spirit of God behind those prophecies made long ago for our day. So Chronology does play a part in determining prophetic things, and can be useful to a degree for testing history and even science. But in the end, it is still prophecy that is most important for God had things He wanted us to know about before they happened. It would be a shame to ignore them when God and His servants went to such trouble to have them delivered to us. It would also be a shame to ignore them due to being scared of what they might indicate.
Fear and cowardice are condemned in the Bible. We must be willing to die if need be. Some will have to. But we have the guarantee of a resurrection so there is nothing to lose that we will not get back. So I urge you to check out my interpretations of prophecies. They are there for a reason and while I do notice a few coming around to my thinking to some degree, too many are filling people with crap that does not get you ready or prepared for the serious challenge that awaits us all. Take the opportunity while you have it because it won't be available much longer.
Carl Oloff Jonsson's link/article: http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/artaxerxes.htm
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