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The Last Days Part 6:

The Sons of Light vs. the Sons of Darkness
A Very Important Prophetic Symbol

Common Related Expressions
Where It Began
Light and Darkness
Sons of Darkness, Sons of Light
Children of :
Offspring of :
Seed of :
Associations & Connections
The Seed of the Woman Revealed
The 1st Half Week
The 2nd Half Week
Release From Captivity
The Aftermath & End
The Dead Sea Scrolls
On the Internet
Was I Convincing?
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What is one of the most common symbols/figures in the Bible? You might be surprised but after I am done showing the many scriptures answering, you will remember Light and Darkness very well and might conclude they may very well be among the most common and frequent symbols in the Scriptures. I did not realize it till researching more on the sons of light and the sons of darkness Jesus referred to. The great struggle, enmity, and battle between the sons of light and darkness is one of the major themes. And it is a major component of all the other prophetic symbols related to Revelation, Daniel, and all the other prophets. In fact, it may be one of the two most important symbols in prophecy, along with Babylon the Great. So sit back and have some fun reading what I have gathered to see what I am talking about.

Common Related Expressions
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We first need to understand phrases and terms which basically mean the same thing so that we do not get confused. Our and God's enemies might get confused, but not we who are lead by the spirit. The following 4 expressions are commonly found in the Bible.

Sons of ---------- Children of ---------- Seed of ---------- Offspring of

They all mean the same thing. But sometimes we get used to a certain phrase or sound and might not recognize similar expressions that use a different word or a phrase reworded just a little. This is one of those tactics to confuse enemies but that we are to understand. Different labels and expressions all having the same basic meaning. But of the 4, none is more common, as best as I can tell , than the "sons of." But all are common and refer to the same thing.

Now these phrases are usually used with another word or expression, such as a name. For example: Sons of Abraham, Sons of God, Sons of the Kingdom, Sons of light and Sons of darkness. In addition, the 4 words used to denote birth, descent, or association can be applied to any number of lineages or associations. In addition to descending from or being associated with or being a part of Abraham, God, the Kingdom, Light, Darkness, Vipers, Serpents, Dragons, the Devil, Satan and more. These associations are usually denoting either a good association related to God's will, or bad associations relating to the Devil's will. Good vs. Bad, God vs. Satan, and the like.

But there is a trick, a trap in these associations. The seed or sons of Abraham have both a literal fleshly application and a symbolic allegorical figurative spiritual application, depending upon the context. The same applies to Jacob/Israel, David, Judah, Ephraim/Joseph, Jerusalem. These are all used in both literal and symbolic ways. It takes eyes and ears of discernment to distinguish which way it is interpreted. In general, prophecies tend to favor symbolic representations, whereas literal history and events likely refer to literal applications.

But the main application the Bible aims at is letting us know about a great conflict and struggle between 2, just 2, opposing forces. You are either on one side or the other. We need to be on the right side, God's side. And we need to know there is an opposing side who has it in for God and God's people, those who accept His son, Jesus, as the Christ: Christians! Us! The world has been boiled down to just 2 sides for us to choose.

Where It Began
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> This major symbol of the "Seed" of the Woman and the Seed of the Serpent begins this mystery right in the very beginning of the Bible, just after man is created. <

(GLT) Genesis 3:
14 And Jehovah God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all beasts, and above every animal of the field. You shall go on your belly, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; He will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.

>> Of course, the serpent was the devil, who convinced Eve to eat of the fruit, forbidden to her and Adam by their God and Creator, Jehovah. So a pronouncement is made by God regarding the future of all the participants. But the pronouncement is as much a riddle and mystery as it is a sentence. When God speaks of the Woman and her seed, the only woman we might think is referred to is Eve. But this is not the woman referred to. It was not intended for anyone to really know at that time. It would be answered in the final book of the Bible, the last of the prophecies delivered. And even then, that book would not be understood till the last days. The Apostle John was chosen in about 96 AD to receive and deliver the the final installment of Revelations.

But the pronouncement in Genesis speaks of an enmity between the woman and the serpent and their respective seeds and then of one seed in particular who bruises the serpent in the head, while the serpent only manages to get the Seed's heal, being a serpent on the ground. Beyond that, we are not told much. Now lets look at the finale to this in Revelation. <<

Revelation 12:
1 And a great sign was seen in the heavens, a woman having been clothed with the sun, and the moon was underneath her feet; and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
2 and having a babe in womb. She cries, being in labor, and having been distressed to bear.
3 And another sign was seen in the heavens. And, behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns! And on his heads were seven diadems,
4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars of the heaven, and he throws them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.
5 And she bore a son, a male, who is going to shepherd all the nations with an iron staff. And her child was caught away to God, and to His throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place, it having been prepared from God, that there they might nourish her a thousand two hundred and sixty days.
7 And war occurred in Heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels made war,
8 but they did not have strength, nor yet was place found for them in Heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent being called Devil, and, Satan; he deceiving the whole habitable world was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul even until death.
12 Because of this, be glad, the heavens and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the Devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast out onto the earth, he pursued the woman who bore the male.
14 And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent’s face.
15 And the serpent threw water out of his mouth like a river after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried off by the river.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon threw out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commandments of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.

>> The woman is no ordinary women. She is a heavenly figurative women who gives birth to a seed. It is none other than Jesus, the Christ and first born and only born (begotten) son of God. The serpent is identified and the devil and Satan, in case we happened to doubt who it was in the garden of Eden. He and his host of fallen angels/allies in his crimes go after the woman and the "rest of her seed." It is us, the ones who keep the commands of God and bear witness to Him. We are the remaining seed who the devil is very angry with. We are shielded for 3.5 years in the wilderness and then the big trouble begins.

Of course, the devil also had a seed according to Genesis 3 and indeed, he does mislead the whole world so that they serve as his "seed," his children who he is a "father" to. They have been our enemies since the garden of Eden onward. And they will be our enemies till we are either killed or imprisoned for 3.5 years, after our time in the wilderness, also previously of 3.5 years. This has been the struggle of God's people, His children, since men began. But it shall not be much longer.

But there is much more to this ongoing struggle between the 2 adversaries, the 2 seeds. I am going to examine one other account that I see as rather important to the subject at hand. <<

(GLT) Luke 16:
1  And He also said to His disciples, A certain man was rich; and he had a steward, and this one was accused to him as wasting his goods.
2  And calling him, he said to him, What is this I hear about you? Give the account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward.
3  And the steward said within himself, What shall I do, for my Lord is taking away the stewardship from me? I am not able to dig, and I am ashamed to beg.
4  I know what I will do, that when I am removed from the stewardship, they will receive me into their houses.
5  And calling to him each one of the debtors of his lord, he said to the first, How much do you owe my lord?
6  And he said, A hundred baths of oil. And he said to him, Take your statements and sitting quickly write fifty.
7  Then he said to another, And you, how much do you owe? And he said, a hundred cors of wheat. And he said to him, Take your statement and write eighty.
8  And the lord praised the unrighteous steward, because he acted prudently. For the sons of this age are more prudent than the sons of light themselves are in their generation.
9  And I say to you, Make to yourselves friends by the unrighteous mammon, that when it fails they may take you into the eternal dwellings.

Here are 3 other translations rendering verse 8:

(KJV)            8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
(RSV)            8 The master commended the dishonest steward for his shrewdness; for the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light.
( Rotherham8 And the lord praised the unrighteous steward, in that with forethought he acted:––Because, the sons of this age, have more forethought than the sons of light, respecting their own generation.

>> This is such an amazing account and understood by very few Christians and appreciated by even less. The rich man believed a slave of his was not that good at what he did and the slave was told to tidy things up and turn over his affairs. So the slave, in a rather seemingly corrupt move, uses his position and power which is still his briefly, and writes off half of the debt of some of his Master's debtors. In this way, he might find favor with one of them after he is let go. Well, the rich man, as you all should know, being rich, was no doubt familiar with corruption and dirty tricks. Remember this in a time when Rome ruled Judah and much of the known world and was well known for corruption, bribes and dirty tricks.

One might expect a Master to get rather made in that he got screwed by his slave. But quite the contrary, and quite true to life, I find, the Master comes to believe that maybe his slave is not as dumb and useless as he first thought. On reconsideration, the Master decides to give him another chance, knowing that such a "practical" man could be quite handy, actually. Nothing has changed in 2000 years, huh? But it is verse 8 that is particularly interesting in that Jesus mentions the sons of light and the sons of darkness.

Jesus makes a point with his disciples that the sons of darkness are wiser, more practical, and more shrewd in the way they approach to things than are the sons of light are. Jesus wanted his followers to learn from this and make use of unrighteous riches on God's behalf. Most money made today is not acquired in a way that is as up front, fair, respectful, or considerate. It is sort of ruthless, with each side trying to get the best possible deal for themselves and the least for the other side. Jesus said we should make use of this to make friends with God, by looking after God's people, widows and orphans, and the like.

Many things made and sold today are of questionable value and are sort of exploitive of human nature. But there is little we can do with this aspect of financial survival. It does not mean we can be dishonest,  or cheat, or steal, but however we acquire our money, we would be smart to please God with it. Its just being intelligent and practical. As I see it, often when Christians have problems, they take this lawful overly righteous approach that is often not the most practical and beneficial. For instance, prostitution was forbidden in the law of Moses. Yet 2 women were practicing prostitution and it was no secret who they were and what they did to Solomon. Yet he did not punish them but awarded the baby being fought over to the real mother.

Solomon was practical, knowing that prostitution continued, whether they occasionally got rid of one or two or not. It was more practical and useful to recognize it and patrol it and control it. Some spy agencies will infiltrate a subversive organization but not interfere with it because they figure it is better to be able to know what the subversives and doing and keep an eye on them rather than wipe them out or scatter them and force them to be more clever at hiding themselves. As long as they do not know they are being watched, they continue to act as they do in full observation of the infiltrators.

A CEO might very well be ridiculously overpaid, especially with bonuses and stock options, but if you are so lucky, you can use it in God's behalf. So it is my belief that one must be practical and realistic with what one can accomplish in a world that is completely wicked and corrupt. The most righteous course might not be practical or useful course. But beyond this, it is the reference to the sons of light and darkness that is intriguing. So join me as we consider the many scriptures that mentions these very same symbols and what it means for us. <<

Light and Darkness
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> Starting right off in the very first verses of Genesis and the Bible with LIGHT : <

Genesis 1:
1:3 then God said, Let
light be! And there was light .
1:4 And God saw the
light, that it was good, and God separated between the light and darkness.
1:5 And God called the
light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And there was evening, and there was morning the first day.
1:15 And let them be for luminaries in the expanse of the heavens, to give
light on the earth. And it was so.
1:17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens, to give
light on the earth,
1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night; and to divide between the
light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

>> The light was good! Get it? The darkness was night. Light enabled us to see. That is why it makes such a good symbol for enlightenment and understanding, to see our way in the world. <<

Exodus :
25:37 And you shall make its seven lamps, and one shall set up its lamps, and they shall give light on its face.
27:20 And you shall command the sons of Israel , and let them bring to you pure olive oil beaten for the
light, to set up lamps perpetually.
39:37 the pure lampstand, its lamps the lamps of arrangement and all its vessels, and the oil of the light,

Leviticus 24:2 Command the sons of Israel, and they shall bring to you pure olive oil, beaten, for the light, to cause a light to burn continually.
Numbers 8:2 Speak to Aaron and say to him, When you go up with the lamps, the seven lamps shall give
light in the front of the lampstand.

>> Light was an important symbol in the worship of God in His temple. God's temple was to be kept lit up at all times, as symbolic of His people always bearing light and keeping their light and flames burning. <<

2 Samuel:
22:29 For You are my lamp, O Jehovah; and Jehovah shall
light up my darkness.
2Sa 23:4 is as the
light of the morning, as the sun shines; a morning without clouds; through shining after rain the tender grass sprouts from the earth.

9:12 And You led them in the day by a cloudy pillar, and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them
light in the way in which they should go.
9:19 Yet You in Your great mercies did not forsake them in the wilderness. The pillar of cloud did not depart from them by day to lead them in the way, nor the pillar of fire by night, to show them
light, and the way in which they should go.

>> More light as literal but also symbolic, where spiritual light, God's commands and guidance, guides us in the way we should go. We need God's light, His wisdom and instruction. Darkness is really like blindness and stumbling as we shall see. I don't think I need to explain the verses in Job. It is quite remarkable how much light and darkness are used in Job. <<

Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness! Let not God look on it from above, nor let the
light shine on it.
Job 3:9 Let the stars of its twilight be dark; let it look for
light, but have none, let it wait for eyelids of the dawn.
Job 3:16 or as a hidden miscarriage, I would not have been, like infants who never saw
Job 3:20 Why is
light given to the miserable one, and life to him who is bitter in soul;
Job 12:22 revealing deep things out of darkness; and He brings the shadow of death to
Job 12:25 They grope in the dark, and there is no
light; and He makes them stagger like a drunkard.
Job 17:12 They set night for day;
light is near in the face of darkness.
Job 18:5 Yes, the
light of the wicked shall be put out; and the spark of his fire shall not blaze.
Job 18:6 The
light shall be dark in his tent; and his lamp shall be put out above him;
Job 18:18 They push him from
light to darkness, and they make him flee from the world.
Job 22:28 You shall also decide a thing, and it will stand for you; and
light shall shine on your ways.
Job 24:13 They are among rebels against
light; they do not recognize His ways, nor do they stay in His paths.
Job 24:14 The murderer rising with the
light kills the poor and needy, and in the night he is a thief.
Job 24:16 In the dark he digs through houses; they shut themselves up by day; they do not know the
Job 25:3 Is there any number of His armies? And on whom does His light not rise?
Job 26:10 He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of
light with darkness.
Job 28:11 He restrains the floods from overflowing; and He brings the hidden thing to light.
Job 29:3 when His lamp shone on my head, when I walked through darkness by His light;
Job 29:24 I laughed on those when they did not believe, and they did not make the light of my face to fall.
Job 30:26 When I looked for good, then evil came; and when I waited for light, then darkness came.
Job 37:21 And now men cannot look upon the
light when it is bright in the clouds; when the wind has passed and cleared them.
Job 38:15 And their
light is withheld from the wicked, and the high arm shall be broken.
Job 38:19 Where is this, the way light dwells; and where is the place of darkness,
Job 38:24 How is it, the way the
light is distributed; and how does the east wind spread itself on the earth?

>> David, frequently the Psalmist, really appreciates God's guidance in his life. Guidance as light and darkness to be despised. <<

18:28 For You will light my lamp; Jehovah my God will make my darkness light.
19:8 The precepts of Jehovah are right, rejoicing the heart; the commands of Jehovah are pure, giving
light to the eyes.
27:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? Jehovah is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
34:5 They looked to Him and were filled with
light; and their faces were not ashamed.
36:9 For with You is the fountain of life; in Your light we see light.
37:6 And He will bring forth your righteousness like the light; and your judgment like the noon day.
43:3 Oh send out Your
light and Your truth; let them lead me and bring me to the mount of Your holiness and to Your tabernacles.
74:16 The day is Yours, the night is also Yours. You have established the light and the sun.
90:8 You have set our iniquities before You, our secret sins in the light of Your face.
Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.
104:2 covering Yourself with light like a cloak, and stretching out the heavens like a curtain;
105:39 He spread a cloud for a covering; and fire to give light in the night.
Light rises in the darkness to the upright; he is gracious and full of pity, and of righteousness.
118:27 Jehovah is God, and He gives light to us.
119:105 Nun. Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
119:130 The entering of Your word gives
light, instructing the simple ones.
139:11 If I say: Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light around me.
139:12 Even the darkness will not be dark from You, but the night shines as the day; as is the darkness, so is the light.
148:3 Praise Him, sun and moon; praise Him, all you stars of light.

4:18 But the path of the just is as a bright light going on and shining till the day is established.
6:23 For the commandment is a lamp, and the law a light; and reproofs of instruction are a way of life,
13:9 The light of the righteous rejoices, but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.
15:30 The
light of the eyes rejoices the heart, a good report makes the bones fat.
2:13 Then I saw that there is advantage to wisdom above folly, even as
light has advantage over darkness.
11:7 Also the light is sweet; yea, it is good for the eyes to behold the sun.

2:5 Oh house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of Jehovah.
5:20 Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:30 And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea; when one looks to the land, and lo, darkness! Distress! And light shall be darkened by its clouds.
9:2 The people who walk in darkness have seen a great light. The ones who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light has shone on them.
13:10 For the stars of the heavens and their constellations shall not give light; the sun shall be darkened in its going forth, and the moon shall not reflect its light.
30:26 And the moonlight shall be like the light of the sun. And the sun’s light shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day of binding up, Jehovah binding the break of His people, and healing the wound of His blow.
42:6 I, Jehovah, have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations;
42:16 And I will lead the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths they never knew; I will make darkness into light before them, and crooked places a level place. I do these things to them and do not forsake them;
45:7 forming light, and creating darkness; making peace, and creating evil.
49:6 And He said, It is too little that You should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You for a light of the nations, that You may be My salvation to the end of the earth.
50:10 Who among you fears Jehovah, obeying the voice of His servant, who walks in darkness, and no light is in him? Let him trust in the name of Jehovah, and lean on his God.
51:4 Hear Me, My people; yea, give ear to Me, My nation. For a law shall go out from Me, and My justice I will make rest as light to peoples.
58:8 Then your light shall break as the dawn, and your healing shall spring up quickly; and your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of Jehovah shall gather you.
58:10 and if you let out your soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then your light shall rise in the darkness, and your gloom shall be as the noonday.
59:9 For this reason justice is far from us; and righteousness does not overtake us. We wait for light, but, behold, dimness; for brightness, but we walk in gloom.
60:1 Arise, shine; for your light has come, and the glory of Jehovah has risen on you!
60:3 And nations shall walk to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawning.
60:19 The sun shall not still be your light by day, or the brightness of the moon give you light; but Jehovah shall be for everlasting light to you, and your God for your beauty.
60:20 Your sun shall not set any more; and your moon shall not withdraw; for Jehovah will become your everlasting light; and the days of your mourning shall end.

4:23 I looked on the earth, and, behold! It was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light.
13:16 Give glory to Jehovah your God before He brings darkness, and before your feet stumble on the dark mountains. Yea, while you look for light, He puts it into death shade, setting up deep gloom.
25:10 And I will take from them the voice of rejoicing, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the lamp.
31:35 So says Jehovah, who gives the sun for a light by day, the laws of the moon, and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar, Jehovah of Hosts is His name.

>> I find light in Daniel particularly interesting <<

2:22 He reveals the deep and secret things; He knows what is in the darkness, and the
light dwells in Him.
5:11 There is a man in your kingdom in whom is the spirit of the holy gods. And in the days of your father,
light and understanding and wisdom was found in him, like the wisdom of the gods.
5:14 I have even heard of you, that the spirit of the gods is in you, and
light, and excellent wisdom, and understanding are found in you.

Hosea 6:5 So I have hewn them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of My mouth; and your judgments have been as the light that goes forth.
Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them, the heavens shall shake. The sun and moon shall grow dark, and the stars shall gather in their
Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall gather in their

5:18 Woe to those desiring the day of Jehovah! What is this for you? The day of Jehovah is darkness, and not
5:20 Shall not the day of Jehovah be darkness, and not
light; even very dark, and not any brightness in it?
8:9 And it shall be in that day, declares the Lord Jehovah, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in
light of the day.
7:8 Rejoice not against me, my enemy; for if I fall, I shall arise. For if sit in darkness, Jehovah is a
light to me.
7:9 I will bear the fury of Jehovah because I have sinned against Him, until He pleads my cause and brings forth justice for me. He will bring me out to the
light; I shall see His righteousness.

Zephaniah 3:5 The righteous Jehovah is in her midst; He will not act perversely. Every morning He gives His justice to the light; He does not fail, but the unjust knows no shame.
14:6 And it will be in that day, there shall not be
light; the glorious ones will shrink.
14:7 And it will be, one day which shall be known to Jehovah; not day and not night, but it will be, there will be
light at evening time.

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10:21 And Jehovah said to Moses, Stretch out your hand to the heavens so that
darkness may be on the land of Egypt , and one may feel darkness.
10:22 And Moses stretched out his hand to the heavens, and
darkness of gloom was in all the land of Egypt three days.

Deuteronomy 28:29 And you shall grope at noonday as the blind grope in darkness. And you shall not prosper in your ways. And you shall be always oppressed and plundered all the days; and there will be no one to save.

Joshua 24:7 And they cried to Jehovah, and He set thick darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea on them, and covered them. And your eyes saw that which I have done in Egypt . And you lived in the wilderness many days.

Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness! Let not God look on it from above, nor let the light shine on it.
Job 3:5 Let
darkness and the shadow of death seize upon it. Let a cloud dwell on it. Let all that blackens the day terrify it.
Job 3:6 As for that night, let
darkness seize it! Let it not be joined to the days of the year. Let it not come into the number of the months.
Job 5:14 They meet with
darkness by day, and grope in the noonday as in the night.
Job 10:21 before I go; and I shall not return; to the land of
darkness, and the shadow of death;
Job 10:22 a land of obscurity, the
darkness of the shadow of death, and without any order; even the shining is as darkness.
Job 15:22 He does not believe in a return from
darkness, but he is awaited by the sword.
Job 15:23 He is wandering, for he seeks for bread. Where is it? He knows that the day of
darkness is at his hand.
Job 15:30 He shall not escape from
darkness; the flame shall dry up his branches; and he shall turn at the breath of His mouth.
Job 17:13 If I wait for Sheol as my house, I have spread out my bed in the
Job 18:18 They push him from light to
darkness, and they make him flee from the world.
Job 19:8 He has fenced up my path so that I cannot pass; and He has set
darkness on my paths.
Job 20:26 All
darkness is hidden for secret treasuring; fire not blown shall consume him; those left in his tent shall be broken.
Job 22:11 or
darkness, so that you cannot see, and a flood of waters covers you.
Job 34:22 There is no
darkness nor shadow of death, to hide there those who work iniquity.

82:5 They neither know nor will understand; they walk in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
107:10 Those who live in the
darkness, and in the shadow of death, being prisoners in affliction and iron,
107:14 He brought them out from
darkness and the shadow of death; and He broke their bands apart.
143:3 For the enemy has pursued my soul; he has beaten my life to the ground; he has made me dwell in
darkness like the dead of old.

>> I think its interesting that Job and the Psalms show darkness as typical of prisons and being in prison as well as being in the shadow of death. Not a nice place to be. Darkness can also be hopelessness, which is what Job was experiencing at the time. <<

2:13 those who leave the paths of uprightness to walk in the ways of
4:19 The way of the wicked is as
darkness; they do not know at what they stumble.

>> Though only 2 references, Proverbs sort of sums up a common theme. Darkness is contrasted with uprightness, the darkness being the opposite of uprightness and goodness. Darkness is equated with wickedness. These are very important associations, made elsewhere as well. The wicked often like to conduct themselves in darkness and secrecy, so that no one sees what they are doing because they are up to no good. <<

2:14 The wise man’s eyes are in his head; but the fool walks in darkness; and I also know that one event happens with all of them.
5:17 Also all his days he eats in darkness, and with much grief, along with his sickness and wrath.
6:4 For he comes in with vanity, and goes out in darkness; his name shall be covered in darkness.
11:8 But if the man lives many years, let him rejoice in them all, and remember the days of darkness, for they shall be many. All that may come is vanity.

47:5 Sit in silence, and go into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans, for they shall no more call you the mistress of kingdoms.
60:2 For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the peoples. But Jehovah shall rise on you, and His glory shall be seen on you.

13:16 Give glory to Jehovah your God before He brings darkness, and before your feet stumble on the dark mountains. Yea, while you look for light, He puts it into death shade, setting up deep gloom.
23:12 So their way shall be to them as slippery places in the darkness; they shall be driven out and fall by it. For I will bring evil on them, the year of their judgment, says Jehovah.

2:2 a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, as the dawn spread out on the mountains, a great and a strong people. There has never been the like, nor shall there ever be again to the years of many generations;
2:31 The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of Jehovah.

>> Joel's verses are very prophetic ones and ones that are repeated in NT prophecies. 2:2 was pretty much quoted by Jesus, referring to a tribulation the likes of which had never been seen before or would ever be seen again. And it would include extreme darkness, gloominess, depression and lack of any hope. That's our day and age now. And you'll note that it gets so bad that even the very bright sun gets turned to darkness so this gloom and doom feeling is overwhelming, even blotting out the sun, no less. Not a nice time and circumstance, by any mean. Zephaniah repeats this same theme below. <<

Micah 3:6 So a night shall be for you apart from vision; and darkness apart from divining. And the sun shall go down on the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.

Nahum 1:8 But with a flood passing through, He will make a complete end of its place, and
darkness shall pursue His enemies.

Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of adversity and distress, a day of waste and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Sons of Darkness, Sons of Light
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>> There are a number of long accounts here the help define the contrast between the sons of darkness and the sons of light. <<

1 Thessalonians 5:
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written.
2 For you yourselves know accurately the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
3 For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like travail to the pregnant woman, and they shall not at all escape.
4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6 So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober.
7 For those sleeping sleep by night, and those having been drunk are drunk by night.
8 But we being of day should be sober, "having put on the breastplate" of faith and love, and the hope of "salvation as a helmet;" Isa. 59:17

>> We are said to be sons of light, day, goodness, decency, purity as shall also be shown in this section. As such, we are to be awake, alert, not sleeping or in the dark about what is happening around us. Our path has been lit up for us so that we need not get caught by surprise. We are truly enlightened. Now the sons of darkness in our day, also use light and claim to be enlightened. Satan himself presents himself as angel of light and wisdom but all light and wisdom and guidance come from God, not the devil. We can recognize Satan's so called light. By their fruits you will know them. <<

Ephesians 5:
1 Then be imitators of God, as beloved children,
2 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved us and gave Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell.
3 But let not fornication, and all uncleanness, or greediness, be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
4 also baseness, and foolish talking, or joking (the things not becoming), but rather thanksgiving.
5 For be knowing this, that every fornicator, or unclean one, or covetous one, who is an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for through these the wrath of God comes on the sons of disobedience.
7 Then do not be partners with them;
8 for you then were darkness, but now light in the Lord; walk as children of light.
9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth,
10 proving what is pleasing to the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things being done by them in secret.
13 But all things being exposed by the light are clearly revealed, for everything having been revealed is light.

>> We are to reflect the light of God. We walk in love, right? Christ sacrificed himself for us as an example of light to us, showing us the way. We avoid the bad things as in verses 3-5. Those are the ways of darkness and wickedness, yes, evil. Sons of darkness and disobedience use empty words that are no enlightenment, though will tell you they are. Don't fall for their lines and lies. Don't be partners with them. Many of us came from darkness and out of darkness. But no longer, right? The works of darkness are unfruitful. They do not pay off or benefit. We should even speak against them. 12 and 13 are very important. What goes on in secret, according to Paul, are things so shameful and disgusting that it is difficult to even speak of them. But speak we must. We must reprove their shameful acts.

Now there have been many allegations against the sons of darkness. It is claimed that those who meet in secret in underground tunnels and caverns carry on in the most outrageous ways. Of course, they will deny it, but the rumors and talk have been consistent, well, since the days of the Knights Templar, if not by the priests in Ezekiel's visions. That they carry on in secret, in dark hidden places means they can not be up to any good, regardless of what can not be proved by men. We have Paul, enlightened by the spirit, to tell us its very bad what goes on in those places out of sight and light. Yes, they have torches to shine some literal light, but there is no spiritual light down there. Only darkness and doom. They are in the shadow of death constantly. <<

2 Corinthians 6:
14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever?
16 And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God, even as God said, "I will" dwell in them and "walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Lev. 26:12; Ezek. 37:27
17 Because of this, "come out from among them" "and be separated," says the Lord, "and do not touch the unclean thing," and I will receive you. Isa. 52:11
18 "And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons" and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty. 2 Sam. 7:8, 14; Isa. 43:6
2 Corinthians 7:
1 Then having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilements of flesh and of spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

>> Sons of the light can have nothing to do with the sons of darkness and their activities. It would be wrong to belong to secret societies and activities that emphasize and require great secrecy. Light does not hide and carry on in secret. We let our light shine. We have nothing to be ashamed of. What we do, we do out in the open, for all to see. Idols? No way! We stay away from unclean things, like idols and iconography, graven images and symbols. We are pure and clean. As sons of light, we are also sons of God. God is light and love.

We would never dream of carrying on as spies, speaking and acting in lies and treachery, deceit and ill will. We do not live double lives and lies. Our actions and our words are consistent, holy, and trustworthy. What you see is what you get. Who knows what you are getting from spies and infiltrators, who do not say or mean anything they say or do. We do not want to imitate the sons of darkness and ways that are dark. We seek out only the light that shines forth from God. 

The next account is by far one of the most important to understand and remember.<<

2 Corinthians 10:
12 But what I do, I also will do, that I may cut off the opportunity of those desiring an opportunity, so that in that which they boast, they be found also as we.
13 For such ones are false apostles, deceitful workers transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
14 Did not Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?
15 It is not a great thing, then, if also his ministers transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
16 Again I say, let not anyone think me to be foolish. But if not, even if as foolish, receive me, that I also may boast a little.
17 What I speak, I speak not according to the Lord, but as in foolishness, in this boldness of boasting.
18 Since many boast according to the flesh, I also will boast.
19 For you gladly endure fools, being wise.
20 For you endure if anyone enslaves you, if anyone devours, if anyone takes away from you, if anyone exalts self, if anyone beats you in the face.
21 I speak according to dishonor, as if we have been weak. But in whatever anyone dares (I say it in foolishness), I also dare.

>> There are many brags put forth by the sons of darkness, those deceitful "apostles" and "angels" of "light." Democracy, freedom, equality, rights, protections. But in truth, we are not making any choices or decisions. We are bought, owned, controlled, even bullied. We have no freedom or choice. No rights or protections. NO real justice or law. They ignore their own laws all the time. Nothing they say means anything. Its all lies all the time. Hardly anyone buys or listens to a newspaper anymore. Its been too many lies for too long. No credibility left at all.

Secret societies will tell you how wonderful, charitable, and benevolent they are. They say they are free thinkers, innovators, new thinking, new light. What a swell bunch of guys they were/are, huh? I guess that is why we are in a depression, lost all our jobs, are taxed to death, robbed in court and bullied into submission and threatened if we don't. They say they hate tyranny and intolerance. But I find them the most intolerant and tyrannical by far. Just try to defend or justify treating labor decently and paying them fairly and see how tolerant they are. Criticize them and see how quickly they jump on you and attack you. Speak your mind and see how long you have to wait for a billy-club to come down on your head. Point out what they are really doing in subverting things and you may find your self in more trouble than you could ever handle or want to handle. Free speech? Not that I have seen. Anything you say, you can be sued for, even though it is the truth and fact. The more honest it is, the more you shall suffer for it.

They are not tolerant and they are brutal tyrannical nasty mean bullies. I know sons of light and have seen sons of light and these are no sons of light. They are from the darkness and the devil and they seek out the darkness. Their ways are dark and they do everything in secret in order to remain hidden. They pose as other things, they act, put on appearances, and seek a cover as something other than what they are. They do not act like innocent sons of light at all. Their fruits should be real obvious and no son of light should ever fall for them or be caught off guard and by surprise by them. We walk in light and there is no illusion or darkness to over take us. We are or should be, enlightened as sons of God, who is light to His children. <<

Matthew 25:
1 ¶ Then the kingdom of Heaven shall be compared to ten virgins who taking their lamps, went out to a meeting of the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five foolish.
3 Those being foolish, taking their lamps, did not take oil with them.
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 But the bridegroom delaying, all nodded and slept.
6 And at midnight, a cry occurred: Behold, the bridegroom comes! Go out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose and prepared their lamps.
8 And the foolish said to the wise, Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, No, lest there not be enough for us and you. But rather, go to those who sell and buy for yourselves.
10 But they going away to buy, the bridegroom came. And those ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut.
11 And afterwards, the rest of the virgins also came, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But answering, he said, Truly I say to you, I do not know you.
13 Therefore, watch, for you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of man comes.

>> This illustration is critical as well. Many today do not see an impending doom and are not concerned. They should be. They are like the silly carefree airhead virgins, those typical of the time (about 30 AD) 13 or 14 year old girls who have no idea what is really going on. They do not prepare or take alert. And at an important time of expectation of the Bridegroom's impending arrival, they are asleep. When the Bridegroom arrives, they will be no where near prepared to meet the challenge.

Many today are not waking up and taking the little time left to prepare. The internet provides many good opportunities to explore the Bible and politics. But they are unconcerned and dozing off to sleep instead. One day they will wake up to martial law and their freedom and opportunity to find out anything and prepare will be gone. It will be too late. Once martial law is in place, all "subversive" light will be banned, burned, forbidden. Only darkness will be allowed. Those will be very dark times, indeed. But for those who prepared ahead of time, they will make it and survive to celebrate the arrival of the Bridegroom and what a relief that will be. <<

Luke 12:
29 And you, do not seek what you shall eat, or what you shall drink, and stop being in anxiety.
30 For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need these things.
31 But seek the kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you.
32 Stop being afraid, little flock, because your Father was pleased to give you the kingdom.
33 Sell your possessions and give alms. Make for yourselves purses that do not grow old, an unfailing treasure in Heaven, where a thief cannot come near, nor moth can corrupt.
34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
35 Let your loins be girded about, and the lamps burning,
36 and you be like men awaiting their Lord when he returns from the feasts, so that he coming and knocking, they will at once open to him.
37 Blessed are those slaves whom the Lord will find watching when he comes. Truly I say to you that he will gird himself and will make them recline, and coming up he will serve them.
38 And if he comes in the second watch, or he comes in the third watch, and finds it so, blessed are those slaves.
39 But know this, that if the house-master had known the hour the thief is coming, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be dug through.
40 And you, then, be ready; for in the hour you think not, the Son of man comes.

>> There is a lot here. Alertness is strongly emphasized because Jesus makes it clear that we need to be ready and waiting at all times because we will not be able to know exactly when the trap is going to be sprung. But if we are every ready and vigilant, then we can not get caught by surprise and Jesus warns us because he knows many will get caught by surprise and will not be prepared to join the bridegroom at his feast. Verse 33, Jesus makes it quite clear that we need to set proper priorities and pursue that which is truly meaningful and important. At more than any other time in history, we need that light of God to tell us what to do. We need to seek first the interests of God and of the kingdom and not that nice suburban house and SUV, and nicely groomed lawn and grounds.

Forget the social ladder and keeping up with the Jones'. Don't bother with the overtime. Stay home and read the Bible, and see what others on the net have to say about the important things going on. Look into those allegations of corruption, danger, conspiracy, and gloom. Things are going to be happening very soon. This economy is going to have the worst collapse in history. Things are rapidly going to hell, so to speak. You need to know and prepare your heart to face all this with firm resolve so tat you can join the Bridegroom at his feast. He has a damned good meal waiting for us! <<

Matthew 5:
13 You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt becomes tasteless, with what shall it be salted? For it has strength for nothing any more but to be thrown out and to be trampled under by men.
14 You are the light of the world. A city situated on a mountain cannot be hidden.
15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under the grain measure, but on the lampstand; and it shines for all who are in the house.
16 So let your light shine before men, so that they may see your good works, and may glorify your Father in Heaven.

>> We do not seek the cover of darkness and secrecy. We have nothing to do with them. We are light and we should shine. We have nothing to hide, conceal, or veil. We place ourselves out in the open for all to see and behold. We are proud of our God and our way of life. Why would we want to hide? We are not ashamed and have nothing to be ashamed of. If we are good, then we do not hide it. Leave that for corrupt men and secret societies who are up to no good and only seek the darkness and things dark.<<

11:33 But no one having lit a lamp places it in secret, nor under the grain-measure, but on the lampstand, that the ones entering may see the
11:34 The lamp of the body is the eye. Then when your eye is sound, also all your body is
light. But when it is evil, also your body is dark.
11:35 Watch, then, that the
light in you is not darkness.
11:36 If, then, your whole body is
light, not having any part dark, all will be light, as when the lamp enlightens you with its shining.

Mark 4:22 For not anything is hidden but that it will be revealed, nor anything become covered but that it will come to light.

>> Clever as they think they are, the sons of darkness shall one day be exposed and so will their works. Actually, much of their works has already been exposed but many simply do not believe. Yet I do note that many are no longer reading the papers for they seem to believe there is no truth or value in those papers. Most had believed in global warming but last night the news preported that there had been a huge shift in people now believing it lies. Now 50% do not believe in global warming. They are now beginning to doubt everything they hear from the typical mainstream establishment and politicians. All they see is mounting debt and doom. They are beginning to realize just how much they have been lied to. Yet still they reject God as a way out. But the scales are dropping form their eyes and light is beginning to shine forth. So the devil will soon have to act or he will lost all control. And His servants will have to act as well. The truth is coming out of the closet and into the light! <<

Luke 8:16 But no one lighting a lamp covers it with a vessel, or puts it underneath a couch, but sets it on a lampstand, that those coming in may see the light. 17 For nothing is hidden which will not be revealed, nor secret which will not be known and come to be revealed.

Luke 12:3 For this reason, whatever you said in the darkness will be heard in the light; and whatever you spoke in the ear in the secret rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.

Ephesians 5:13 But all things being exposed by the light are clearly revealed, for everything having been revealed is light.

>> Above: see what light is? It is that which exposes or reveals truth. If I may steal a cliche: go to the light, follow the light. <<

6:22 The lamp of the body is the eye. Then if your eye is sound, all your body is light.
6:23 But if your eye is evil, all your body is dark. If, then, the
light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! (perception).
10:27 What I say to you in the darkness, speak in the
light. And what you hear in the ear, proclaim on the housetops.

>> We are to be a revealing light to the world. We are watchmen sounding the alert. We must expose the things hidden in the dark. So we do have an assignment, do we not? Lets get busy!  <<

Matthew 24:29 And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that affliction, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give her light;

>> We have been warned. It is going to be rough going. Some say: It already is! Yes, but its going to get much worse, the worst it has ever been or ever will be again. So fasten your seat belts. Its going to be a wild ride from here on in!

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>> Here are places where the expression "children of" is used instead of "sons of." They both mean that same thing but sometimes different words are associated with them. So we want to be sure we have not missed anything in the expression being change just slightly. <<

(GLT) 1:5 predestinating us to adoption through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
(KJV) 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of
children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good
(GLT) 2:2 in which you then walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience,
(KJV) 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the
children of disobedience:
(GLT) 2:3 among whom we also all conducted ourselves in times past in the lusts of our flesh, doing the things willed of the flesh and of the understandings, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as the rest.
(GLT) 4:14 so that we may no longer be infants, having been blown and carried to and fro by every wind of doctrine, in the underhandedness of men, in craftiness with a view to the trickery of error,
(KJV) 4:14 That we henceforth be no more
children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
(GLT) 5:1 Then be imitators of God, as beloved children,
(GLT) 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for through these the wrath of God comes on the sons of disobedience.
(GLT) 5:8 for you then were darkness, but now light in the Lord; walk as children of light.

>> I notice the contrast between son/children of God and those of disobedience. Especially 2:2, 4:14, 5:6! Sons of disobedience follow selfish fleshly longings. They have no regard for God or decency. They walk  "in the underhandedness of men, in craftiness with a view to the trickery of error." They want to deceive and trick you and they have done a good job with us all. But we need not be fooled any longer as it has become far more obvious now than ever before. It can not longer be hid from anyone. Even the idiots and retards of the world are beginning to see it.

Below are a few more scriptures for consideration on the "children of" phrase. <<

Isaiah 57:4 On whom are you making sport? On whom do you make a wide mouth and draw out the tongue? Are you not children of transgression, a lying seed,

Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the speaking of Jehovah by Hosea. And Jehovah said to Hosea, Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry, and
children of harlotry. For the land has utterly gone lusting away from Jehovah.

1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become
children of God, to the ones believing into His name,
8:39 They answered and said to Him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were children of Abraham, you would do the works of Abraham.
11:52 and not only on behalf of the nation, but that He also might gather into one the
children of God who had been scattered.

8:16 The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are
children of God.
8:21 that also the creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption to the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
9:8 That is: Not the
children of flesh are children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for a seed.

4:27 for it has been written, "Be glad, barren one not bearing; break forth and shout, the one not travailing; for more are the children of the desolate rather than she having the husband." Isa. 54:1
4:28 But, brothers, we are children of promise according to Isaac.
4:31 Then, brothers, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.

2:3 among whom we also all conducted ourselves in times past in the lusts of our flesh, doing the things willed of the flesh and of the understandings, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as the rest.
5:8 for you then were darkness, but now light in the Lord; walk as children of light.

Philippians 2:15 that you may be blameless and harmless, children of God, without fault in the midst of a crooked generation, even having been perverted, among whom you shine as luminaries in the world,

1 Peter 1:14 as
children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves to your former lusts in your ignorance,

1 John:
3:1 See what manner of love the Father has given us, that we may be called
children of God. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
3:2 Beloved, now we are the
children of God, and it was not yet revealed what we shall be. But we know that if He is revealed, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.
3:10 By this the
children of God and the children of the Devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother.
5:2 By this we know that we love the
children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments.

>> Notice in 3;10, instead of children of light and darkness, we have the contrast of God and the Devil. When we add all those associations and contrasts together as I will near the end of this article, then we will see a complete picture and understanding emerge, although I am sure it is already quite clear. <<

Offspring of :
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3:7 But seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them,
Offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
23:33 Serpents!
Offspring of vipers! How shall you escape the judgment of Hell?

Luke 3:7 Then he said to the crowds going out to be baptized by him, Offspring of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Acts 17:29 Then being offspring of God, we ought not to suppose that the Godhead is like gold or silver or stone, engraved by art and the imagination of man.

Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright and morning Star.

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2 Kings:
11:1 And Athaliah was the mother of Ahaziah. And when she saw that her son was dead, then she rose up and destroyed all the
seed of the kingdom.
17:20 And Jehovah rejected all the
seed of Israel , and afflicted them, and gave them into the hand of the plunderers, until He had cast them out from His presence.
25:25 And it happened in the seventh month Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, the son of Elishama of the
seed of the kingdom, and ten men with him came, and they struck Gedaliah, and he died, and the Jews and the Chaldeans who were with him in Mizpah.

1 Chronicles 16:13 O seed of Israel , His servant; O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones.

2 Chronicles:
20:7 Are You not our God? You have driven out the inhabitants of this land from before Your people Israel , and have given it to the
seed of Abraham, Your friend forever;
22:10 And Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, and she rose up and spoke to destroy all the
seed of the kingdom of the house of Judah .

Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all the sons of aliens, and they stood and confessed their sins and the sins of their fathers.

Psalm 22:23 You who fear Jehovah, praise Him; all the seed of Jacob, glorify Him; and all the seed of Israel , fear Him.
Psalm 105:6 O
seed of His servant Abraham; O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones,

1:4 Woe, sinful nation, a people heavy with iniquity, a
seed of evildoers, sons who corrupt! They have forsaken Jehovah; they have scorned the Holy One of Israel. They are estranged backward.
14:20 You shall not be united with them in burial, because you ruined your land; you have slain your people; the
seed of evildoers shall never be named.
41:8 But you Israel are My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen; the
seed of My friend Abraham;
45:25 In Jehovah all of the
seed of Israel shall be justified, and shall glory.
57:3 But you, draw near here, sons of the sorceress,
seed of the adulterer and playing the harlot.
65:23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for terror. For they are the
seed of the beloved ones of Jehovah, and their offspring with them.

23:8 but, As Jehovah lives, who brought up and led the
seed of the house of Israel out of the land of the north, and from all the lands where I have driven them there. And they shall dwell on their own land.
31:36 If these ordinances depart from before Me, says Jehovah, the
seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever.
31:37 So says Jehovah, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be searched out, I will also reject all the
seed of Israel for all that they have done, declares Jehovah.
33:22 As the host of the heavens cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so I will multiply the
seed of My servant David, and the Levites who minister to Me.
33:26 then I also will reject the
seed of Jacob, and My servant David, not to take of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will bring back their captivity and have pity on them.

Malachi 2:15 And has He not made you one? Yet the vestige of the Spirit is in him. And what of the one? He was seeking a seed of God. Then guard your spirit, and do not deal treacherously with the wife of your youth.

1:3 concerning His Son who came of the
seed of David according to flesh,
11:1 I say then, Did not God thrust away His people? Let it not be! For I also am an Israelite, out of Abraham’s
seed, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember Jesus Christ, having been raised from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel,

Hebrews 2:16 For indeed He does not take hold of angels, "but He takes hold of" "the seed of Abraham." Isa. 41:8, 9

Acts 13:23 Of the seed of this one, according to promise, God raised up to Israel a Savior, Jesus;

Galatians 3:29 And if you are of Christ, then you are a seed of Abraham, even heirs according to promise.

My comments now. Acts and Galatians show a spiritual or figurative seed. We are the real seeds/sons/children/offspring of Abraham. We are his seed as this was the intention of God when He promised Abraham a "seed." This was pretty much a prophesy and mystery to be understood at a later time. I should point out that the seed or sons of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel can apply to either unfaithful descendants or to that promised spiritual seed/sons, We who are Christians, sons by adoption, by virtue of obeying God, become sons by imitation and love, and not simply because we came from a certain genetic line of descent. Fleshly literal Israel was not able to comprehend this and lost out. As Jesus once said to them, I could raise sons of Abraham from these rocks.

Associations & Connections
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The real reason for this careful extensive study is to gather all the associations and connections made by sons - seed - children - offspring. For nearly any prophecies I have ever come across depend on gathering scattered elements and putting them together for a full complete coherent picture of what we are to recognize and understand. By God continually changing words, labels, and associations, He confuses the many He wants to confuse, leaving it for His determined followers to put together by mean of great effort and time, knowing there was an important message to decipher.

So what are the connections, you ask? Lets look at all the words (or most of them) that appeared with the 4 words indicating birth and descent.

Good Associations Bad Associations
the woman
the kingdom
the promise
the beloved ones of Jehovah
the house of Israel
My servant David
this world/age

I will repeat that at times, the seed of Israel or Jacob or similar is applied to both good and bad connections, and literal and figurative applications as well.

The 2 sides are complete and distinct sides with nothing in common and everything in opposition. A clear distinct line in the sand, so to speak. All the connections with each are consistent and related to paint a reliable picture. The difference with these 2 symbols is that they are very broad, unlike some of the other prophetic symbols. Between the 2, they cover all people. You are either on God's side or the side of His enemy, the devil. But there is more to these 2 symbols.

There are many other words and connections that can be applied to these symbols. If we say someone is a rebel or given to the flesh, then we can also say that they bear bad fruit. And if they are children of God, then we could say they are good and bear the fruits of the spirit. The fruits of the spirit and the fruits of the flesh are well described by Paul to form a sort of psychology profile. The sons of light have an MO, a profile that we can look for and test for. Same for the sons of darkness, who would be given to the fruits of the flesh, with all manner of sin, with lies and deceit being particularly prominent. They talk a great talk and tell you how nice and wonderful they are and all the good they intend but if you look beyond the words and pay attention to the fruits, so to speak, you will see a much different picture, different results, that are not so nice or wonderful.

How bad are the fruits of the sons of darkness? So bad that the world would go from bad to worse and eventually end in the biggest blood shed in world history. It would be very plain and obvious, unless you are totally asleep, which many are. But if you think about the world that Baby Boomers lived in, in the 50s, 60s, and 70s growing up, there can be no doubt that the world we live in now is a 100 times worse than the 60s, which had an element of instability in them. So for those who are old enough, it is rather obvious. Go look up songs from the 60s and 70s on YouTube and read the comments about them. Time and again you will read about how different and better it was. Some will deny it, but they do so because they want to hide the truth and deceive and mislead you. Don't fall for it. Its insane now and only going to get worse. You can take that to the bank.

Now a set of traits in particular for the sons of darkness are not only lies and deception, but seeking out the darkness, carrying on in secret, always hiding what they do. Only people who have things to hide due to their being so obviously bad, behave this way. God said so. The sons of darkness will tell you that there is no particular reason for their secrecy but it is a very prominent and important thing that they put lots of emphasis on, so it can't be good. God said so!!! Case closed, argument over!

Consider this. If what they were doing was so great, amazing, wonderful, benevolent, and beneficial, why, everyone would welcome it and be delighted with it and there would be no need for secrecy. People do not hate good and beneficial things. They hate, tyrannize, persecute, and prosecute that which is of ill intent and harmful. But we are supposed o believe otherwise, that bad is good, black is white, right is wrong and upside down is actually right side up and that things getting worse is only temporary and will correct itself with time. Oh, sure, and the dish ran away with the spoon and the fork and the cow jumped over the moon, too! And gravity is all in our head and the sky is not blue at all.

Our world in the last days is particularly noted for the lies and deception being carried out. And many fall for it, but not because the lies are any good but because people have become brain dead, trusting idiots. They have never bothered to exercise their brains and thinking ability. Thinking and discernment need developed and sharpened with use. It does not happen overnight. It is much like it is with the body. If you are not very active and just sit or lay around all the time, your body will certainly not get stronger and may even deteriorate or get fat. You could even die prematurely. It is just the same with our minds. If we do not use them, work them out, develop them, sharpen them, then we will be idiots and useless and vulnerable to any lie or deceit aimed our way.

God gave us quite a task in trying to decipher prophecies that present a substantial challenge, by any measure. He had a reason for this. By forcing us to develop a keen sense of symbolism and an knack for detail, distinction, and contradiction, we would be able to easily discern the lies unleashed on us by the devil and his seed here in earth. But many Christians have not bothered to apply themselves to the prophecies and the rest of the Bible. So their spiritual bodies and minds are flabby, soft, out of shape, and useless. They are ripe for deception and corruption and are good for nothing.

We are being challenged as humans have never been challenged before. Satan intends to try us to our very limits. We can only make it if we put a very strong effort into our salvation. God requires a fair amount of effort for He knows that if He is to prevent the world from going to hell again, after He cleans and fixes it and us up, that He will need people willing to put forth valiant effort and vigilance. So He let the devil raise the stakes.

But for us, it is vital we recognize liars and deceivers, for they are everywhere and all they do is lie. In addition, we want to be able to recognize the subtle things going on around us so that we will know better than most when disaster and catastrophe will arrive. If one is to figure out who the various prophetic symbols of Revelation and Daniel, as well as the rest of the prophets, then this little lesson will be indispensable in helping to identify the scoundrels who mean nothing but harm to us. Jesus said, If they hated me, they will hate you. The seed of the devil hates us, even as they hate God and His son.

So God let us know about them and how to recognize and identify them. And the symbols of the sons of darkness and the sons of light are an important part of that recognition and identification.

The Seed of the Woman Revealed
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I do believe that there is another very important reason for the decipherment of these 2 opposing symbols, for they begin and end the Bible in Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 and the many symbols around and near Revelation 12 are very challenging, as well as symbols in Daniel and I believe with conviction that the 2 opposing symbols we seek here are THE key to solving many symbols at the same time. God keeps changing the descriptions of many things to make His enemies think it is all nonsense and it worked. But it is not nonsense and there is a very important message hidden in it all.

It might come as a surprise to most people, especially including  most Christians, that most prophecies regarding the last days apply to a very short condensed period of time, of just 7 years. There may be a few that reveal things that lead up to the 7 years, bt it is primarily the 7 years which are described. You'll see. While I have covered all verses of the prophecies in my other articles, this one will deal primarily with the seed of the woman, which is Christians and they 7 years they must face. What if I suggested that all of the following symbols all referred to the very same thing? Let me list them and then let me offer an interpretation. You might be surprised, too.

The 1st Half Week
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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a wing of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.

>> This is the false prophet who performs lying signs and wonders, the man of sin and son of perdition, the counterfeit Christ, most popularly known by John's particular symbol, the Antichrist. He makes a covenant with the many (the world or damn close to all of it) for one prophetic week out of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. One week, 7 days, a day for a year, a lunar year in all likelihood, amounting to 360 days per year. In the middle of the week, he causes the sacrifice and offering to cease. The middle of the week would be 3.5 days. That will become ever so important. Here, a day for a year becomes 3.5 years. At this point the sacrifice and offering are eliminated. After the 7 years, the Antichrist is killed by direct hand of God. That is what has been "decreed" by God and "shall pour out on the desolator," the Antichrist. Then Christians will be freed from captivity and the nations shall soon be wiped out as well.

I am not the only one who interprets this week as 7 years. It is not even uncommon. For instance, Floyd Nolen Jones and his book, "The Chronology of the Old Testament," also subscribes to this idea and Jones is, I believe, a Baptist, mainstream denomination if ever there was one. The big difference that separates me from the crowd is what I interpret for what happens in those 7 years to God's people.
This is a very helpful scripture above in Daniel 9, for it gives us a total length of the term-lifespan of the antichrist after his making a deal. It is possible he is around for a year or two prior to making the deal, but the start of the deal, the covenant, starts 7 years. This gives us a framework which will fit perfectly, of course, with all the other accounts of time spans and events. Now we will investigate the events in that time frame.

I should also point out that when we assemble the various prophecies in the approximate order in which they happen, with the scriptures applying primarily to the Antichrist and the Beast of 7 heads and 10 horns, though also appearing as other descriptions, too; we will notice the scriptures are quite out of order from where they appear in the Bible. For one, they are scattered all over the Bible with various prophets and in various mixed up orders. This is as it should be. It was left for us to reassemble to make sense.

The wisdom of God sought to hide the meaning of the prophets and even make the scriptures appear like nonsense so that God's message would not be seen as a threat and would be left alone. Consider this. Many writings of early Christians who came after the Apostles were changed, tampered with, to fit apostate meanings and messages. The original message was understood, and not liked, and changed.

But with the prophecies, no one really understood them or what they meant. So why change the message to something else when you don't even know what it meant to begin with. Everyone left it alone for nobody could decipher much of it. In fact, you can make it mean anything you want the devil has done just that and so has his followers. so the Bible prophecies were left un-discerned and unmolested for us to receive in pristine un-tampered condition to finally re-assemble and interpret. Luck us, huh? Many prophets wanted to understand this and were not allowed. So it is left for us to be in awe and marvel and the amazing wisdom God shows in mixing the prophecies up and veiling them in odd symbols and figures so that it would perplex the devil out of people trying to make some sense of it. Oh, the wonders of God's power and wisdom and depth of His riches. There is yet so much to learn from Him, the true giver and revealer of light.

Now in the next account, a war breaks out between the devil and Christ in heaven, near the end. And as a result of the war, which was never even a close match, the devil loses and is hurled down to earth where he takes out his anger on God's people, who are symbolized as the seed of this heavenly symbolic woman. But the seed is kept in the wilderness, not the greatest of places to be but better than facing the serpent, right? He gives the seed a hard time but the missiles, so to speak, are quenched and diverted. This will go one for 3.5 lunar years, which is what 1260 amounts to. This is also accounted as time (1), times (as being 2), and half a time (one half). It comes to to 3.5 either way.

This is the start of the woes for God's people. They will receive a lot of heat in this 1st 3.5 years or half "week." But it won't be as bad as the 2nd half, unfortunately. But we can endure. I should point out that God keeps playing with how He accounts for this important time so as to keep people confused but it is not hard to make sense of it all, once the pieces of the puzzle are al put together. He will describe it as both symbolic days (3.5) and literal days, 1260. He will describe in in months (42), and there are those odd times in Daniel of 1290, 1335, and 2300 days as well. But whether 3.5 lunar years, 42 months, or 1260 days, or 3.5 symbolic "days," it is all the same.

The seed of the woman is made clear in verse 17 below. These are the ones who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony and witness to the Christ. This is a very important identification. We who are Christians, are the seed. <<

Revelation 12:
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place, it having been prepared from God, that there they might nourish her a thousand two hundred and sixty days.

14 And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent's face.
15 And the serpent threw water out of his mouth like a river after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried off by the river.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon threw out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commandments of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:
1 And a reed like a staff was given to me, and the angel stood, saying, Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those worshiping in it.
2 And cast aside the outside court of the temple, and do not measure it. For it was given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city forty two months.
3 And I will give to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, dressed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two lampstands, standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if anyone desires to harm them, fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone desires to harm them, so it is right for him to be killed.
6 These have the authority to shut up the heaven, that no rain may rain in the days of their prophecy. And they have authority over the waters, to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

>> Above, the courtyard outside the actual temple building, surrounding the temple, is thrown out, given to the nations to trample. This is that living temple Paul and Peter speak of, of which each of us is a pillar in that temple. so we are trampled on, so to speak, and we prophesy (you will prophesy when the time comes, won't you?) for 1260 days, 3.5 years, in sackcloth, in mourning, in difficulty, as if being in the wilderness. We have a message to deliver, do we not? And  . . . We are called 2 witnesses for at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, a matter is established. We give our testimony to this world wide trial, warning the people of the horrible things to come of they do not repent.

But here is where it gets interesting in verse 5-6. While I am guessing that some of this language is symbolic, we clearly have the aid of God, who enabled His prophets of old to do these things and we will have the supernatural Divine help in carrying out this testimony and preaching of ours. It would not be wise for people to mess with us but they will try. And we will likely have some difficulties which God will help us overcome.\

Now below, in verse 7, we are informed that when our witness is completed, at the end of 1260 days, of course, the political beast complex/network will attack and kill us, symbolically speaking. for some, it will mean death, as we shall soon see, but for the remainder of us, the larger part, no doubt, we shall remain, though totally in captivity, or work having been finished by the decree of God and the actions of the beast. And we will remain in captivity for another 3.5 years. You'll see. Now our captivity/death is for 3.5 "days" here in verse 9. And our "dead" bodies just lay there in the streets of a very interesting place and they leave our bodies out for further humiliation, as has happened in so many human wars. Everyone will be delighted to get rid of us because they hated our message. It was so damned annoying to them and constantly angered and irritated them. So we are silenced in a big way.

The 2 prophets in 10 were great tormentors to those living on earth. But here comes the surprise and its a shock to all. After 3.5 "days" the spirit of life comes back into the 2 prophets, God's people, us. Its pretty scary for the world who hated our message to begin with. But there are some very important reasons why they are so scared and we will read those in Daniel at the right time.

Those of us who are literally killed in the middle of the 7 year covenant with the Antichrist, when the Beast comes up out of the sea, will be taken up into heaven at this time after the 2nd half week, another 3.5 "days", 1260 literal days. For the rest of us still living on earth, it would be as if we had risen into heaven. We will b freed, released from captivity and come back to life, so to speak. Our enemies will perceive and understand (they will believe or fear that it might be) that this was happening because of God and His son and Christ/Messiah, Jesus. <<

Revelation 11:
7 And when they complete their witness, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them.
8 And their bodies will be on the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom, and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified.
9 And some from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will see their dead bodies three days and a half; and they do not allow their dead bodies to be put in tombs.
10 And those living on the earth will rejoice over them, and will make merry. And they will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth.
11 And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on the ones beholding them.
12 And they heard a great voice out of Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up into the heaven in the cloud. And their enemies saw them.

>> Now we are given another vision below, which also reviews much of the same circumstances we have just read about. This time, the symbols have been changed and a few details added/revealed. An "angel" (not just any angel, my friends) opens the "abyss" and lets out a plague of locusts. Why the nerve of him! But wait! He is a good guy and so are the locusts. These locusts have been given some authority, sort of like prophets are given. You don't suppose . . . You'll see. The locusts are commended only to bother and afflict men who do not have the seal of God on them. They are the sons of darkness, the world who does not listen to God but goes along with the devil instead. Why theses locusts don't even bother with vegetation like normal locusts would. Only ungodly or anti-godly men.

But it is made clear in verse 7 on, that these "locusts" are not real locusts, which should have been obvious already. They are symbolic figurative locusts. They more resemble horses, men, and women, and they have crowns of gold as if they had authority almost as kings or as a reward for their service. And they serve the angel of the abyss who is a king, not less and they seve God's cause, too. Imagine that!

A normal life span of a locust is about  months. So for an appointed short lifespan, these particular "locusts" are to torment men with a message that will be hated. After this lifespan and service, likely 3.5 years, they cease. Maybe "killed" or "die?" But it would seem to me this angel who has control and authority of the abyss must be Jesus. Who else would it be? The locusts? Oh, I know you have figured it out by this point. It is God's people delivering a message that the world hates and despises and certainly does not want to hear but God is going to make them hear it. They got it coming. If they weren't so bad then they would not hate that message so much. But their hearts are far removed from God and they hate God and all things decent. There is no goodness in them whatsoever anymore. They are void or merit and decency. <<

Revelation 9:
1 And the fifth angel trumpeted. And I saw a star out of the heaven falling onto the earth. And the key to the pit of the abyss was given to it.
2 And he opened the pit of the abyss. And smoke went up out of the pit, like smoke of a great furnace. And the sun was darkened, and the air, by the smoke of the pit.
3 And out of the smoke locusts came forth to the earth. And authority was given to them, as the scorpions of the earth have authority.
4 And it was said to them that they should not harm the grass of the earth, nor every green thing, nor every tree, except only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And it was given to them that they should not kill them, but that they be tormented five months. And their torment is as the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.
6 And in those days men will seek death, and they will not find it. And they will long to die, yet death will flee from them.
7 And the likenesses of the locusts were like horses having been prepared for war; and on their heads as crowns, like gold; and their faces like the faces of men.
8 And they had hairs like the hairs of women; and their teeth were like those of lions.
9 And they had breastplates like iron breastplates; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running to war.
10 And they have tails like scorpions, and their stings were in their tails; and their authority is to harm men five months.
11 And they have a king over them, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name was Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
12 The first woe has departed; behold, after these things come two woes.

>> Below, another (6th) trumpet and vision is given. It many ways, it is a repeat of the previous vision of the 5th trumpet. The 2 million armies of cavalry have many of the same features as the locusts did. They are a horrible plague to Godless unrepentant men. The message is received as if it were fire, smoke, and brimstone/sulfur and the bites and painful stings of serpents biting. But despite all this, these people do not repent and change their ways. they are so hard headed and wicked. Nothing can change them and that is what God wants to show all by delivering this message of warning of doom and begging them to change. They will ignore God's message, delivered by us, and eventually die. <<

Revelation 9:
13 And the sixth angel trumpeted. And I heard one voice out of the four horns of the golden altar before God,
14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Release the four angels, those having been bound at the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were released, those having been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.
16 And the number of the armies of the cavalry was two myriads of myriads; and I heard their number.
17 And so I saw in the vision the horses, and those sitting on them, having fire-colored breastplates, even dusky red and brimstone-like; and the heads of the horses as heads of lions; and out of their mouths come fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three were killed the third part of men, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone coming out of their mouths.
19 For their authority is in their mouth, and in their tails; for their tails are like snakes, having heads, and they do harm with them.
20 And the rest of men, those not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they will not worship demons, and "golden idols, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols, which neither are able to see, nor to hear," nor to walk. Dan. 5:23; Psa. 115:4-7; 135:15-17
21 And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornications, nor of their thefts.

>> Yes, I believe that these many visions are nearly one and the same. They are various ways of describing the message that will be delivered to the nations and peoples of the earth by God's people, described in so many different ways and symbols and figures. This message will be delivered in the first 1260 days of the covenant of the antichrist, along with his helpers, the political kingly Beast of symbolic 7 heads and 10 horns, the horns alluding to visions of Daniel. The world will not be able to put up with this message and will kill many Christians after 3.5 years and imprison many more. They will likely be told that this will be forever till they die, but God lets us know it will only be for 3.5 years. <<

The 2nd Half Week
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>> Many things happen to the world while Christians are locked away in camps and/or prisons for 3.5 years. Many horrible things that Christians will likely avoid due to being in prison and having God's protection. But more needs to be shown to prove what has been stated up to now, in the previous section above.

This Beast who came up from out of the "sea" has been granted just 42 months to do as it will. It kills and imprisons us. It wars with us, the "saints" in verse 13:7, as also described in Daniel. This Beast had complete control of all the world and makes everyone do as it wants and not one of them is in the book of life.

Revelation 13:
4 And they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like the beast; who is able to make war with it?
5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given to it. And authority to act forty two months was given to it.
6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those tabernacling in Heaven.
7 And it was given to it "to war with the saints, and to overcome them." And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation. [Dan. 7:21]
8 And all those dwelling in the earth will worship it, those of whom the names had not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb having been slain from the foundation of the world.

>> What? You didn't believe me that Daniel said the same thing? You know better ;-) Rev. 13:7 was quoting Dan. 7:21. Note that 7:21 follows the end of 13:7. I did not put that there. Those who translated the Bible recognized the identical references of both books and so noted them. Its not just me. But in Daniel, the Beast is a horn, instead. The symbols keep changing, but the ones they point to and identify do not. By any other name, symbol, or identification, it is still the same enemy.

But there is a little twist here. Both the antichrist and the Beast/National Network act together, along with "Babylon the Great." Revelation focuses on the Beast but Daniel focuses on the Horn, the antichrist, and False Prophet of Jesus and revelation, a 2 horned lamb like beast who performs signs and wonders, fire out of heaven. Daniel gives a description that in many ways sounds like Paul in describing the man of sin, son of perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2. But in Daniel 7, this horn has the "saints" given into his hand for 3.5 "times." I assume you can translate "times," right?

But the amount, regardless of the particular vision, is consistent. 3.5, 42, or 1260, all of which indicate, very subtly, the same length of time. But here, we are saints, whereas in Revelation, we are the seed, 2 witnesses, locusts, etc. Same thing, different identifications to throw the enemy off. <<

Daniel 7:
7:21 the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 8:
8: 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the leader of the host. And the regular sacrifice was taken away by him, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And a host was given with the regular sacrifice because of transgression.
8:13 Until when is the vision, the regular sacrifice and the desolating transgression, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled? 14 And he said to me, For two thousand, three hundred evenings and mornings, then the sanctuary will be vindicated.
8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

>> Above: The horn sounds much more like Paul's man of sin here in chap. 8 of Daniel. And now instead of saint or seed or 2 witnesses or whatever, we have suddenly become the regular sacrifice and sanctuary and host/army. But Revelation called us a courtyard to be trampled as well. But it is all the same thing. See, you didn't believe me at first. Maybe some still don't. Time will show who is right and wrong, for sure. 8:23 seems to confirm it is the holy and mighty people who are attacked, reinforcing what I claim. 8:13 is rather unusual, though. 2300 "days" of which I assume are days at most, are hard to understand or declare for me at this point. When the verses around it are considered as well, it might indicate that the Antichrist appears for a while before making a covenant with the world. If not that, then we will just have to wait and see.

Below also sounds very much like Paul's man of sin, commonly known as the antichrist. But those Christians sent to prison or effectively rendered as "dead" (inactive), will be strong and work (or the Beast as labor, no doubt). But this will only be for 3.5 years and then the antichrist will die. <<

Daniel 11:
11:31 And forces will stand away from him, and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress. And they shall remove the regular sacrifice, and they will place the abomination that desolates.
11:32 And he will defile by flatteries those who do evil against the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will work.
11:36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god; he shall even speak marvelous things against the God of gods and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done.

Revelation 6:
9 And when He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those having been slain for the word of God, and for the witness which they had.
10 And they cried with a great voice, saying, Until when, holy and true Master, do You not judge and take vengeance for our blood, from those dwelling on the earth?
11 And there was given to each one a white robe. And it was said to them that they should rest yet a little time, until might be fulfilled also the number of their fellow-slaves and their brothers, those being about to be killed, even as they.

>> The above is just before there is about to be a harvest, from the standpoint of God, but a slaughter from the view of us down here on earth. Some of God's children are about to be killed for their witness to Jesus.

Below, we are warned not to take the mark of the Beast, as it will likely require some sort of acceptance of the false Messiah, the Antichrist, which is the same as worshipping the devil, or it may involve renouncing the true invisible Messiah, Jesus or even God, the Father, Jehovah, in heaven. This may be what helps get some Christians killed in the name of Jesus. We may have to die, but . . . we will then be resurrected after so its no big deal, right? Its only temporary, for sure. Note verse 12 if you will.

But the heartbreak is in verses 14-20. Here there is a "harvest" described. Of course, it is symbolic. But it represents the many Christians who will die at the hands of the sons of darkness, who include the nation Beast, the Antichrist/False prophet (2 horned lamb-beast), and Babylon the Great. But as well in 18, another cluster of grapes if gathered, which symbolized the great anger and wrath of God. God is very angry over what these little bastards are doing and they are going to be repaid by God. "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." <<

Revelation 14:
9 And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or in his hand,
10 he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And those worshiping the beast and its image have no rest night and day, even if anyone receives the mark of its name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are the ones keeping the commands of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice out of Heaven saying to me, Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Lord from now. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.
14 And I saw; and behold, a white cloud and on the cloud One sitting, like the Son of man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel went forth out of the temple, crying in a great voice to the One sitting on the cloud, Send Your sickle and reap, because Your hour to reap came, because the harvest of the earth was dried.
16 And the One sitting on the cloud thrust His sickle onto the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel went forth out of the temple in Heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel went forth out of the altar having authority over the fire. And he spoke with a great cry to the one having the sharp sickle, saying, Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripened.
19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw into the winepress of the great anger of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood went out of the winepress as far as the bridles of the horses, from a thousand six hundred stadia.

>> I covered 4-8 earlier. Now notice 11. Another beast! But this one only has 1 head and 2 horns, like a lamb? Yep! A lamb because he is going to claim to be Jesus. No, its true! But he speaks and talks like a dragon. You can't miss him. He's so phony. But . . . he has all the authority of the first beast behind him and with him and in him. He has conned the world. He advocates for the first beast, likely saying something to the effect that "It is the political expression of God's kingdom on earth and it is my will as the Christ." And if you believe that one, I got a couple of slightly used sky scrapers in NYC I can sell ya.

But more importantly, notice 13-14 where the lamb-beast does great signs, even causing fire to come down out of heaven. and He performs signs to convince the world of his claims and get them to obey him and make an image of the beast to worship and obey. All who do will die. It is the ability to perform signs and have all the political authority of the 7 headed beast that qualifies him as the false prophet and Antichrist. Some think the 1st beast, the 7 headed one, is the Antichrist but I beg to differ. It is the false lamb who is the Antichrist. Although it has to be admitted that since both beasts share their power and work together, that there is no real practical difference in them, in many respects. All the sons of darkness work and cooperate together against God. <<

Revelation 13:
4 And they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like the beast; who is able to make war with it?
5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given to it. And authority to act forty two months was given to it.
6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those tabernacling in Heaven.
7 And it was given to it "to war with the saints, and to overcome them." And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation. [Dan. 7:21]
8 And all those dwelling in the earth will worship it, those of whom the names had not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb having been slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
10 If anyone gathers captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone will kill by a sword, by a sword he must be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon.
12 And it executes all the authority of the first beast before it. And it causes that the earth and those dwelling in it should worship the first beast, of which was healed its deadly wound.
13 And it [the "lamb beast"] does great signs, that even fire it causes to come down out of the heaven onto the earth before men.
14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the signs which were given to it to do before the beast [with 7 heads, 10 horns], saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the beast who has the wound of the sword, and lived.
15 And was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
17 even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.

>> By this point, we have a good understanding of what God's people will have to put up with and that they will be captive or incapacitated for 42 months or 3.5 years. But after that, they must come to life, receive back their capacity, be released from Captivity in Babylon (the great), so to speak. And just as Israel was freed from bondage in Egypt. It seems like God's people are always being enslaved and held captive and God is always forcing the hands of their captors to let them go. This release from captivity is very interesting as you will see. <<

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Revelation 11:
7 And when they complete their witness, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them.
8 And their bodies will be on the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom, and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified.
9 And some from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will see their dead bodies three days and a half; and they do not allow their dead bodies to be put in tombs.
10 And those living on the earth will rejoice over them, and will make merry. And they will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth.
11 And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on the ones beholding them.
12 And they heard a great voice out of Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up into the heaven in the cloud. And their enemies saw them.

>> I covered this earlier but it might make more sense now at this point. The 3 days and a half, which sort of certifies the time, times and a half is 3 and a half or 3.5. Now literalists would get fooled here, expecting a literal and physical resurrection on earth. But anyone who takes the prophecies literally, does not have the spirit of God in them. Only darkness exists in them. But to better grasp what is going on in Revelation, we need Ezekiel. Truth be told, Revelation hardly mentions anything about this final event. But that is as God intended. Ezekiel was given this part to share with us, though he did not know it in his lifetime. It was written for us as God willed it to be.

Ezekiel's vision is very elaborate as regards the "resurrection" being described. This is said to be the bones of the House of Israel (verse 11). Odd that the bones can "talk." That is part of why we know this is a very figurative and symbolic resurrection. "Israel" here is symbolic of Christians, who are the real heirs of the promise to Abraham, sons according to a promise. You'll have to see my series on Why We Do Not Observe The Law if you want more information on this. It involves Jesus, of course, who was to buy and redeem all the sons of Adam, and not just those of Abraham. Even Abraham knew this. <<

Ezekiel 37:
37:1 The hand of Jehovah was on me. And He brought me by the Spirit of Jehovah and made me rest in the midst of a valley, and it was full of bones. 2 And He made me pass among them all around. And, behold, very many were on the face of the valley. And, behold! They were very dry. 3 And He said to me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I said, O Lord Jehovah, You know.
37:4 And He said to me, Prophesy to these bones and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of Jehovah: 5 So says the Lord Jehovah to these bones: Behold, I cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live,; 6 and I will put on you sinews and will bring flesh on you and spread skin over you and put breath in you, and you shall live. And you shall know that I am Jehovah.
37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I prophesied, there was a noise. And, behold, a shaking! And the bones drew near, a bone to its bone. 8 And I watched. And, behold! The sinews and the flesh came up on them, and the skin spread over them from above. But there was no breath in them.
37:9 Then He said to me, Prophesy to the Spirit. Prophesy, son of man, and say to the Spirit, So says the Lord Jehovah: Come from the four winds, O Spirit, and breathe on these slain ones, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the Spirit came into them. And they lived and stood on their feet, a very great army. 11 Then He said to me, Son of man, these bones are all the house of Israel. Behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is perished; we are cut off to ourselves.

37:12 So prophesy and say to them, So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, O My people, and I will bring you to the land of Israel. 13 And you shall know that I am Jehovah when I have opened your graves and have brought you up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live; and I will put you on your own land. And you shall know that I, Jehovah, have spoken and have done it, says Jehovah.

37:23 And they will not still be defiled with their idols, even with their filthy idols, nor with all of their transgressions. But I will save them out of all their dwelling places where they have sinned in them, and I will cleanse them. So they shall be for a people to Me and I will be for God to them. 24 And My Servant, David, shall be King over them. And there shall be one Shepherd to all of them. And they shall walk in My judgments and keep My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell on the land that I have given to my servant, to Jacob, there where your fathers dwelt in it. And they shall dwell on it, they and their sons, and the sons of their sons, forever. And My Servant David shall be a ruler to them forever. 26 And I will cut a covenant of peace with them, an everlasting covenant it shall be with them, And I will place them and multiply them, and I will put My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27 And My tabernacle shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And when My sanctuary shall be in their midst forever, the nations shall know that I, Jehovah, sanctify Israel.

Daniel 12:
12:1 And at that time, Michael shall stand up, the great ruler who stands for the sons of your people. And there shall be a time of distress, such as has not been from the existence of a nation until that time. And at that time, your people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the Book. 
12: 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was on the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand to the heavens and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and a half. And when they have made an end of scattering the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
12:11 And from the time the regular sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that desolates set up, a thousand, two hundred and ninety days shall occur.

>> This time at the end of the 7 years of the covenant of the Antichrist begins by the 7 bowls of wrath in Revelation being poured out, after which God's people are delivered as indicated in Daniel. We shall take a close look at that Aftermath of release from captivity, being brought back from the dead, so to speak, for it did seem like they would never be allowed to be free again. That is what we will be told. But God had other plans and ideas. Nobody tells God what to do. <<

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>> Gog and Magog, symbolic of the collective nations of the world, attack in regret and greed, even as Egypt did with Israel and Moses, but the nations are destroyed and the birds of heaven feast on their flesh at God's great evening meal in Revelation 19. The irony is that Christians are released and possibly even given some compensation for the injustice done to them, even as Israel asked for compensation from the Egyptians and got it when they left. Recall that Pharaoh and Egypt regretted what they had done in sending Israel, their treasured slave labor, away to worship God in the desert.

Now the nations listed are symbolic. Like that is a surprise, right? These are the names of the forefathers listed in Genesis 10 and 1 Chronicles 1. They are sons of Japheth, Noah's firstborn and are responsible for settling northern areas of Europe and Asia, as well as some coasts and islands. The northern peoples were all big on horses and chariots and later predominantly cavalry. <<

Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of Jehovah was to me, saying, 2 Son of man, set your face against Gog, the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him. 3 And say, So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 And I will turn you back and put hooks into your jaws. And I will bring you and all your army out: horses and horsemen, all of them clothed most perfectly; a great assembly with buckler and shield, all of them swordsmen. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah from the recesses of the north, and all his bands; many peoples are with you. 7 Be prepared; yea, prepared for yourself, you and all your assembly that are assembled to you, and be a guard to them. 8 After many days you shall be visited. In the after years you shall come into the land turned back from the sword, gathered out of many peoples, on the mountains of Israel which have been for a continual waste. But he has been brought out of the peoples, and they shall dwell securely, all of them.

>> Christians are living in peace, thinking they are secure, for after all, Babylon is gone and the nations appear to regret what they have done to Christians earlier. But like Pharaoh, they regret their generosity and decide they would like to have their money back. In fact, while in prison, Christians will likely be put to work in work camps to "earn" their keep. So the nations might regret the loss of labor as well, even as Egypt did. So the nations come upon an unsuspecting, undeserving, and undefended innocent people of God. Easy prey. It will be with greed and meanness as has characterized the world for some time now. So we are alerted to what is going to happen and not to worry for God intends to wipe them out before they ever get to do what they want with us. <<

Ezekiel 38:9 And you shall go up, you shall come like a storm; you shall be like a cloud to cover the land, you and all your bands, and many peoples with you.

Ezekiel 38:10 So says the Lord Jehovah: And it shall be in that day, words shall come up into your heart, and you shall devise an evil plan. 11 And you shall say, I will go up to the land of open spaces. I will go to those at ease, who live securely, all of them living with no walls, and there are no bars and gates to them, 12 in order to spoil a spoil, and to steal a prize, to turn your hand on the inhabited waste places, and on the people gathered out of the nations, who have gotten livestock and goods, who dwell in the center of the earth. 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish, and all its young lions, shall say to you, Have you come to spoil a spoil? Have you gathered your assembly to steal a prize, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to spoil a great spoil?

Ezekiel 38:14 So prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, So says the Lord Jehovah: Shall you not know in that day when My people Israel dwells securely? 15 And you shall come from your place out of the recesses of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly, a mighty army. 16 And you shall come up on My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It shall be in the after days, and I will bring you against My land so that the nations may know Me, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes, Gog.

Ezekiel 38:17 So says the Lord Jehovah: Are you he of whom I have spoken in former days by the hand of My servants, the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days and years, to bring you against them? 18 And it shall be on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord Jehovah, My fury shall come up in My face. 19 And in My jealousy, in the fire of My wrath, I have spoken. Surely, in that day there shall be a great quaking in the land of Israel. 20 And the fish of the sea, and the birds of the heavens, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men on the face of the earth, shall quake at My face. And the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I shall call a sword against him on all My mountains, declares the Lord Jehovah. Each man's sword shall be against his brother.

Ezekiel 38:22 And I will judge him with a plague and with blood, and an overflowing shower, and hailstones. I will rain fire and brimstone on him, and on his bands, and on the many peoples who are with him. 23 And I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself. And I will be known in the eyes of the many nations, and they shall know that I am Jehovah.

Ezekiel 39:1 And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, So says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 2 And I will turn you back and lead you on. And I will bring you up from the recesses of the north, and will bring you on the mountains of Israel. 3 And I will strike your bow out of your left hand, and I will cause your arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your bands, and the people with you. I will give you for food to the birds of prey, a bird of every wing, and to the beasts of the field. 5 You shall fall on the face of the field, for I have spoken, declares the Lord Jehovah. 6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and on the secure inhabitants of the coasts. And they shall know that I am Jehovah. 7 And I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel. And I will not let My holy name be profaned any more. And the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel.

Ezekiel 39:8 Behold! It is coming, and it shall be done, declares the Lord Jehovah. That is the day of which I have spoken. 9 And the inhabitants of the cities of Israel shall go out and shall set afire and burn the weapons, even the shield and the buckler, the bow and the arrows, and the hand staff, and the spears. And they shall burn them with fire seven years. 10 And they shall not take wood out of the field and shall not cut down out of the forest. For they shall burn the weapons with fire. And they shall plunder those who plundered them, and rob those who robbed them, declares the Lord Jehovah.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it will be on that day, I will give to Gog a place there, a grave in Israel, the valley of those who pass by, east of the sea. And it shall stop those who pass by. And they shall bury Gog and all his multitude there, and they shall call it The Valley of the Multitude of Gog. 12 And the house of Israel shall bury them, in order to cleanse the land, seven months. 13 And the people of the land shall bury. And it shall be for a name to them, the day when I am glorified, declares the Lord Jehovah. 14 And they shall separate men who continually pass through the land, burying those who passed through, who remain on the face of the earth, to cleanse it. At the end of seven months, they shall make a search. 15 And as they pass, those who pass through the land, and any man sees a bone, then he shall build a post beside it, until the buriers have buried it in The Valley of the Multitude of Gog.

Ezekiel 39:16 And also the name of the city is The Multitude. And they shall cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 39:17 And you, son of man, So says the Lord Jehovah: Say to the bird of every wing, and to every beast of the field: Gather yourselves and come, collect yourselves from all around to My sacrifice which I sacrifice for you, a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, so that you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the rulers of the earth, of rams, lambs, goats, and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19 And you shall eat fat until satiated, and drink blood until drunkenness, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. 20 And you shall be satiated at My table with horses and chariots, and mighty men, all the men of war, declares the Lord Jehovah. 21 And I will put My glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see My judgments which I have done, and My hand that I have laid on them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am Jehovah their God, from that day and onward. 23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel was exiled for their iniquity. Because they betrayed Me, so I hid My face from them and gave them into the hand of their enemies. And they fell by the sword, all of them. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their sins, I have done to them, and have hidden My face from them.

>> So the nations did not learn a lesson from the destruction of Babylon and the False Prophet. They want to repeat the offenses, having forgotten God so quickly even as Pharaoh did. And God wipes them out fast. But it is clear from the descriptions here that these visions preceded those of Revelation and are speaking of the exact same circumstances as Revelation, but in much more detail.

Note below that Zechariah also foresees this very same sort of thing, really. <<

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of Jehovah comes, and your spoil shall be divided among you. 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem. And the city shall be captured, and the houses plundered, and the women ravished. And half the city shall go into exile and the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 And Jehovah shall go out and fight against those nations, like the day He fought in the day of battle.

>> I think it is likely that 14:1-3 foretells the initial capture of Christians at the mid point of the 7 years. that is, the account in Zechariah is condense, much like it is in Revelation 19. 

Another problem I see is again, in the symbolic language of prophecy, Jesus touching down on the Mount of Olives is symbolic. Notice that all the saints, now in heaven with Jesus in verse 5, join him in laying down the law. I mention this, for I suspect the antichrist, in attempting to deceive the world with his lying signs and wonders before all, could very well arrive in a UFO type vehicle, pretend to be from "heaven" or a distant planet or planet like system such as our solar system. And he might even touch down on the mount of Olives. If he does, don't believe him. Jesus will not be back in body form. He returns, concealed in the clouds and every eye will "see" him, figuratively speaking. They will understand he is behind it all happening. <<

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall divide from its middle, from the east even to the west, a very great valley. And half of the mountain shall move toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And you shall flee to the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah, king of Judah. And Jehovah my God shall come, and all the saints with You. 6 And it will be in that day, there shall not be light; the glorious ones will shrink. 7 And it will be, one day which shall be known to Jehovah; not day and not night, but it will be, there will be light at evening time.

Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, living waters shall go out from Jerusalem, half of them shall go toward the eastern sea, and half of them toward the western sea; in summer and in winter it shall be. 9 And Jehovah shall be King over all the earth. In that day there shall be one Jehovah, and His name one. 10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. And it shall rise and dwell in its place, from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananeel to the king's winepresses. 11 And they shall live in it. And there shall not again be a shutting in, but Jerusalem shall dwell safely. 12 And this shall be the plague with which Jehovah will strike all the peoples who have fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rest in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths. 13 And it shall be in that day, a great panic of Jehovah shall be among them; and they shall each one lay hold of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor.

Zechariah 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of the surrounding nations shall be gathered, gold, and silver, and clothing, very much. 15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, the mule, the camel, and the ass, and all the beasts which shall be in those camps, like this plague.

>> Many of you might be familiar with Indian Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. They came up with a recreation of Zechariah 14:12. The fight will be over before it got started. But I also get a kick out of verse 14. I notice many x-members of Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) criticize their former religions's members for remarking about how they will get someone's house or something similar after Armageddon/Judgment Day. Well, when you're mad at someone, you pick on any little thing you can find, fair or not. But I have to find in favor of the JWs on this one. It is a fact that the wealth and spoils of the world will become the that of God's people by God's orders. You might call it a bit of pay back. Now whether JWs shall be in that number that inherit life and the world could be another matter. But for whoever it is that survives, they will be compensated for the harm done to them and their brethren before them in time and there will be plenty of spoils to go around in one form or another. <<

Revelation 19:
11 And I saw Heaven being opened. And, behold! A white horse, and He sitting on it having been called Faithful and True. And He judges and wars in righteousness.
12 And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head many diadems, having a name that had been written, which no one knows except Himself;
13 and having been clothed in a garment which had been dipped in blood. And His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, being dressed in fine linen, white and pure.
15 And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations. And He will shepherd them with an iron rod. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of God Almighty.
16 And He has on His garment and on His thigh a name having been written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, Come and gather together to the supper of the great God,
18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and the flesh of strong ones, and the flesh of horses, and of the ones sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both freemen and slaves, even of the small and great.

19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies being assembled to make war with the One sitting on the horse, and with His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with this one the false prophet doing signs before it, by which he led astray those having received the mark of the beast, and those worshiping its image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword of the One sitting on the horse, it having gone out of His mouth. And all the birds were filled from their flesh.

>> AS you can see, the wording is much like Ezekiel here. It is the end. Then finished is the mystery of God and the worst time in earth's history is over for good, never to be seen again. However, there is yet one more thing to accomplish in the grand scheme of God's purpose, as revealed in the entire chapter of Revelation 20. Mankind, including many who did not receive a change to hear the gospel in previous times, shall be given a thousand years to take to heart instruction from God and become fully obedient and loyal to God. But many, by far a majority, will not remain loyal to God in a time of testing at the end of the thousand years. Satan will be allowed to have one last chance to tempt mankind, only this time it will be fair since they al had a change to be brought to perfection and knowledge. They will not be caught off guard or unprepared. Yet, despite that, the better part of them will reject God in favor of perhaps imagining that there is another way that can be pursued without consequences, due to now being perfect. But they will be wrong.

And when they start to experience their gang going nuts all over again, and they feel the internal mental anguish and agony they felt in the old world, they will know they are aging and dying again and out of jealousy will want to attack those who still have eternal life in them and kill them, even as Cain did to Abel. God will wipe them out before they get started. But I will not give this much attention as I give it more in the article on Revelation itself and it is not the purpose of this article, anyway. <<

Revelation 20:
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of Heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain on his hand.
2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the old serpent who is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and threw him into the abyss, and shut him up, and sealed over him, that he should not still lead astray the nations, until the thousand years are fulfilled. And after these things, he must be set loose a little time.

Revelation 21: And they lived happily ever after!

>> Well, that is the basic premise of chapters 21-22 of Revelation. Never Again! Those who make it beyond the testing at the end of the thousand years will have what it takes to never let this happen again. They learned their lessons well and did not fall for the devil's crap. They never did.

The Dead Sea Scrolls
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I supply some info from the Wikipedia on the Dead Sea Scrolls to set up the general back ground, relating to where they were discovered, at time of discovery, and          According to the Wikipedia on Jan. 4, 2010:

>> "The Dead Sea scrolls consist of about 900 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Qumran Wadi near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea."
"They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE to 70 CE.[2]"

"The Dead Sea Scrolls are traditionally divided into three groups: "Biblical" manuscripts (copies of texts from the Hebrew Bible), which comprise roughly 40% of the identified scrolls; "Apocryphal" or "Pseudepigraphical" manuscripts (known documents from the Second Temple Period like Enoch, Jubilees, Tobit, Sirach, non-canonical psalms, etc., that were not ultimately canonized in the Hebrew Bible), which comprise roughly 30% of the identified scrolls; and "Sectarian" manuscripts (previously unknown documents that speak to the rules and beliefs of a particular group or groups within greater Judaism) like the Community Rule, War Scroll, Pesher (Hebrew pesher פשר = "Commentary") on Habakkuk, and the Rule of the Blessing, which comprise roughly 30% of the identified scrolls.[7]

Prior to 1968, most of the known scrolls and fragments were housed in the Rockefeller Museum (formerly known as the Palestine Archaeological Museum) in Jerusalem. After the Six Day War, these scrolls and fragments were moved to the Shrine of the Book, at the Israel Museum.

Publication of the scrolls has taken many decades, and the delay has been a source of academic controversy. As of 2007 two volumes remain to be completed, with the whole series, Discoveries in the Judean Desert, running to thirty-nine volumes in total. Many of the scrolls are now housed in the Shrine of the Book in Jerusalem, while others are housed in the University of Chicago's Oriental Institute, Princeton Theological Seminary, Azusa Pacific University (all of which are located in the U.S.A.,) and in the hands of private collectors." <<

>> Survey of the Caves

Cave 1 was discovered in the winter or spring of 1947. It was first excavated by Gerald Lankester Harding and Roland de Vaux from Feb 15 to Mar 5, 1949.[11] In addition to the original seven scrolls, Cave 1 produced jars and bowls, whose chemical composition and shape matched vessels discovered at the settlement at Qumran, pieces of cloth, and additional fragments that matched portions of the original scrolls, thereby confirming that the original scrolls came from Cave 1.
The original seven scrolls from Cave 1 are:[12]

Cave two was discovered in February, 1952.[13] It yielded 300 fragments from 33 manuscripts, including Jubilees and the Wisdom of Ben-Sirach in the original Hebrew.

Cave three was discovered on March 14, 1952.[13] The cave yielded 14 manuscripts including Jubilees and the curious Copper Scroll, which lists 67 hiding places, mostly underground, throughout the ancient Roman province of Judea (now Israel and Palestine). According to the scroll, the secret caches held astonishing amounts of gold, silver, copper, aromatics, and manuscripts.

Cave four was discovered in August, 1952, and was excavated from September 22 to 29, 1952 by Gerald Lankester Harding, Roland de Vaux, and Józef Milik.[14] Cave four is actually two caves (4a and 4b), but since the fragments were mixed, they are labeled as 4Q. Cave 4 is the most famous of Qumran caves both because of its visibility and its productivity. It is visible from the plateau to the south of the Qumran settlement. It is by far the most productive of all Qumran caves, producing ninety percent of the Dead Sea Scrolls and scroll fragments (approx. 15,000 fragments from 500 different texts), including 9-10 copies of Jubilees, along with 21 tefillin and 7 mezuzot.

Caves 5 and 6 were discovered in 1952, shortly after Cave 4. Cave 5 produced approximately 25 manuscripts, while Cave 6 contained fragments of about 31 manuscripts.[14]

Caves 7-9 are unique in that they are the only caves that are accessible only by passing through the settlement at Qumran. Carved into the southern end of the Qumran plateau, archaeologists excavated caves 7-9 in 1957, but did not find many fragments perhaps due to high levels of erosion that left only the shallow bottoms of the caves.

Cave 7 yielded fewer than 20 fragments of Greek documents, including 7Q2 (the "Letter of Jeremiah" = Baruch 6), 7Q5 (which became the subject of much speculation in later decades), and a Greek copy of a scroll of Enoch.[15][16][17] Cave 7 also produced several inscribed potsherds and jars.[18]
Cave 8 produced five fragments: Genesis (8QGen), Psalms (8QPs), a tefillin fragment (8QPhyl), a mezuzah (8QMez), and a hymn (8QHymn).[19] Cave 8 also produced several tefillin cases, a box of leather objects, lamps, jars, and the sole of a leather shoe.[18]
Cave 9 produced only small, unidentifiable fragments.
Caves 8 and 9 also yielded several date pits[18] similar to those discovered by Magen and Peleg to the west of Locus 75 during their "Operation Scroll" excavations.[20][21]

Cave 10 produced only a single ostracon with some writing on it.

Cave 11 was discovered in 1956 and yielded 21 texts, some of which were quite lengthy. The Temple Scroll, so called because more than half of it pertains to the construction of the Temple of Jerusalem, was found in Cave 11, and is by far the longest scroll. It is now 26.7 feet (8.15m) long. Its original length may have been over 28 feet (8.75m). The Temple Scroll was regarded by Yigael Yadin as "The Torah According to the Essenes." On the other hand, Hartmut Stegemann, a contemporary and friend of Yadin, believed the scroll was not to be regarded as such, but was a document without exceptional significance. Stegemann notes that it is not mentioned or cited in any known Essene writing.[22]
Also in Cave 11, an escatological fragment about the biblical figure Melchizedek (11Q13) was found. Cave 11 also produced a copy of Jubilees. <<

>> Origin of the Scrolls

"Some of the documents were published early. All the writings in Cave 1 appeared in print between 1950 and 1956, those from eight other caves were released in 1963, and 1965 saw the publication of the Psalms Scroll from Cave 11. Their translations into English soon followed."

A few scholars have argued that the Dead Sea Scrolls reflect similarities with the early Christian movement. While there are certainly some common characteristics shared between different Jewish sectarian groups, most scholars deny that there is any connection whatsoever between the Christians and the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Still, Spanish Jesuit Josep O'Callaghan-Martínez has argued that one fragment (7Q5) preserves a portion of text from the New Testament Gospel of Mark 6:52-53.[29] In recent years, Robert Eisenman has advanced the theory that some scrolls actually describe the early Christian community. Eisenman also attempted to relate the career of James the Just and the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus to some of these documents.[30] Barbara Thiering also supports the Christian Origin theory, but argues that Jesus of Nazareth is the Wicked Priest mentioned in the scrolls.[31]

Some scholars have argued that the scrolls were the product of Jews living in Jerusalem, who hid the scrolls in the caves near Qumran while fleeing from the Romans during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Karl Heinrich Rengstorf first proposed that the Dead Sea Scrolls originated at the library of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.[32] Later, Norman Golb suggested that the scrolls were the product of multiple libraries in Jerusalem, and not necessarily the Jerusalem Temple library.[33] Proponents of the Jerusalem Origin theory point to the diversity of thought and handwriting among the scrolls as evidence against a Qumran origin of the scrolls. Several archaeologists have also accepted an origin of the scrolls other than Qumran, including Yizhar Hirschfeld[34] and most recently Yizhak Magen and Yuval Peleg,[35] who all understand the remains of Qumran to be those of a Hasmonean fort that was reused during later periods.<<

[{ Most sources have, up to now, cited the scrolls as being from the Essenes, known well primarily from Josephus but from other historical accounts as well. But Essenes were said to reside in Ein Gedi, which is not near Qumran, the place near the caves where the scrolls were discovered. Qumran has been identified as serving various functions. No one can say for sure although my findings do seem to support some scribal activity. Cave one did have artifacts from Qumran, which is a pretty good indication of the most likely source for the scrolls. But it would be a mistake, I believe, to assume that all scrolls are tied to Qumran. I believe the texts of the scrolls should be considered in trying to understand who it was at Qumran or even if they were at Qumran.

I propose that the texts of the scrolls absolutely resemble the New Testament messages, sometimes using some slightly different terms, but term which can be found in the Bible. These texts are highly figurative and symbolic and I fail to understand how anyone could find a literal interpretation in them. Even in the Old Testament, prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and others were full of prophetic symbolism so it is certainly not new. But the terms and expressions of the scrolls clearly have a sort of Revelation and Daniel type feel.

We also want to keep in mind that whoever lived out here in this desert settlement of Qumran a ways outside Jerusalem, was not necessarily cut off from Jerusalem or Judea. Visitors might have come and gone from time to time. Why were the scrolls hidden in caves. Rome approaching in 66 and 70 AD, does seem like the most likely reason. But it is not out of the question that the scrolls could have been hidden in earlier years for other reasons.

My caution would be that we do not know that all the scrolls were hidden at the same time or by the same groups. Because Qumran likely accepted visitors on journeys to and from other places. Some might have picked the wilderness in the vicinity of Qumran because it was a place to stay before or after they made their deposits in caves near there. We can not assume too much. The scrolls do not clearly identify their creators and in most cases, there is no artifact evidence that can be certainly tied to Qumran, except for cave 1.

But given that the texts of the scrolls seem to be apocalyptic and messianic, and that Qumran and the caves are in the wilderness of Judea, I am going to suggest that John the Baptist is a very good possibility since he preached in the desert wilderness and had disciples before Jesus did. But you can be sure that few would like to support that conclusion since there is a real prejudice against Christianity and Apocalyptic type subjects. Many would hate to have these turn out as vey ancient evidence of early Christianity. But I believe, at the very least, based on the text, that this is indeed, early Christian work. Maybe the time of John! Maybe days near 70 AD. Maybe sometime after that. But I believe from John to Rome in 70 is most likely and very early.

So we need to carefully look at the many tests of the scrolls to see what is really said. Many have tried to imply that much of the scrolls were literal. I believe literal interpretations have no place in Christianity and prophecy. I believe a reconsideration will be most profitable and enlightening. Note some of the figures that even scholars and others have noticed and Wikipedia has mentioned below. }]

>>The Community Rule is the name given to one of the documents found in the caves at Qumran, and as such is one of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The most complete manuscript was found in Cave 1, and is given the document reference name 1QS (which stands for : "Cave 1 / Qumran / "Serekh" = 'rule'). Numerous other fragments of this document, containing variant readings, were found in caves 4 and 5 (4QSa-j, 5Q11, 5Q13). Two other documents, known as the The Rule of the Congregation and the Rule of the Blessing, are found on the same scroll as 1Qs, and were originally thought to be part of the Community Rule, but are now considered separate texts that act as appendices.

Key Theological Themes

>>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia    -    War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness

Picture to the left: The Shrine of the Book, a wing of the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, is built to symbolize the scroll - The shrine is built as a white dome symbolizing the Sons of Light, and a black basalt wall - symbolizing the Sons of Darkness.

The War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness is a manual for military organization and strategy that was discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is also known by the names "War Rule", "Rule of War", and "War Scroll". The document is made up of various scrolls and fragments including 1QM, 4Q491-496. It is possible that The War of the Messiah is the conclusion to this document.[1]. More recent study suggests that 4Q491 is three separate documents all describing the same events.[citation needed]

These scrolls contain an apocalyptic prophecy of a war between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness. The war is first described as an attack by the Sons of Light against Edom, Moab, the sons of Ammon, the Amalekites, Philistia, and the Kittim of Asshur (referred to as the army of Belial), supported by those who "violated the covenant" including the sons of Levi, the sons of Judah, and the sons of Benjamin. In the end, all of Darkness is to be destroyed and Light will live in peace for all eternity. The war is then described again as a conflict between the congregation of God and the congregation of men. The rest of the document is a detailed description of the events of the war and the ways in which it should be conducted.

The War of the Messaiah is a series of Dead Sea scroll fragments describing the conclusion of a battle led by the Leader of the Congregation. The fragments that make up this document include 4Q285, also known as The Pierced Messiah Text, and 11Q14 with which it was found to coincide. It is possible that it also represents the conclusion of the War Scroll[1].

The Pierced Messiah Text (4Q285)    -    This six-line fragment, commonly referred to as the "Pierced Messiah" text, is written in a Herodian script of the first half of the 1st Century and refers to a Messiah from the Branch of David, to a judgement, and to a killing. Hebrew is comprised primarily of consonants; vowels must be supplied by the reader. The appropriate vowels depend on the context. Thus, the text (line 4) may be translated as "and the Prince of the Congregation, the Branch of David, will kill him," or alternately read as "and they killed the Prince." Because of the second reading, the text was dubbed the "Pierced Messiah." The transcription and translation presented here support the "killing Messiah" interpretation, alluding to a triumphant Messiah (Isaiah 11:4).

In September 1992, "Time Magazine" published an article on the War Rule fragment displayed here (object no. 12) exploring the differing interpretations. A "piercing messiah" reading would support the traditional Jewish view of a triumphant messiah. If, on the other hand, the fragment were interpreted as speaking of a "pierced messiah," it would anticipate the New Testament view of the preordained death of the messiah. The scholarly basis for these differing interpretations--but not their theological ramifications--are reviewed in "A Pierced or Piercing Messiah?"

English Translation of The War Rule (Serekh ha-Milhamah) 4Q285 (SM) Courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority (12) - Transcription and translation by G. Vermes

     ]Isaiah the prophet: [The thickets of the forest] will be cut [  
     down with an axe and Lebanon by a majestic one will f]all. And there shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse [
     ] the Branch of David and they will enter into judgement with [
     ] and the Prince of the Congregation, the Bran[ch of David] will kill him [
     by stroke]s and by wounds. And a Priest [of renown (?)] will command [
     the s]lai[n] of the Kitti[m]

End of Wikipedia material <<

Texts of the Scrolls 

Enter this into Google: "sons of light sons of darkness" and see what you get.
Its all about the Dead Sea Scrolls and what the ancient authors who recorded it wrote. It concerns itself a lot with a struggle and coming battle between the sons of light and the sons of darkness. Apparently, these writers understood these symbols quite a bit. But I think recent studies have determined that these are not Essenes who wrote this. That had been my opinion for some time anyway. Recall that John the Baptist was out in the wilderness preaching and drawing disciples out there. And perhaps several different groups or sources likely hid scrolls in caves out in the Judean wilderness as Rome neared to conquer and punish Judah and Jerusalem. This has had come to be understood now.

The sons of Light and Darkness are also referred to as the children of Light and Darkness, even as is the case in the scriptures. It is a common theme in the scroll texts and found primarily just in the New Testament. so that is why I believe there is good reason to consider the texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls to see if they might add some insight into this subject.

I have 3 books written on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The book on the left was 1st published in 1956. Gramercy republished it in 1981.

The book just to the right was published in 1992 by Element Inc.

The 3rd in 1997, Allen Lane & The Penguin Press 






I find this comment revealing as to who wrote or who did not write the scrolls that speak of the sons of light and darkness.
"The Kittim of Asshur come in alliance with the biblical enemies Edom, Moab, Ammon, and Philistia. Cooperating with this unholy alliance are the "violators of the covenant": Jews who had spurned the message of the Yahad and in so doing aligned themselves with the Sons of Darkness."

So as I see it, it can not be Jews who wrote this. It is some sort of Christians sect of some sort. It is written quite early so I tend to doubt a lot of error had a chance to take hold yet. But clear statements of error would be all it would take to prove that wrong. More follows from the site above:

"As with biblical representatives of apocalyptic literature, Ezekiel 38-39 and the Revelation of John as pertinent examples, one can easily lose sight of the primary purpose of the work. It is not to be found in the intricate and often mysterious details of the text. Rather, the author was concerned with the tribulation and hopelessness that his readers were currently experiencing."

See that? Its not just me, is it?! But note what follows:

"He built his encouragement on a biblical theology of rescue: the defeat of Goliath at the hand of David (1QM 11:1-2), and Pharaoh and the officers of his chariots at the Red Sea (11:9-10). Coupled with this aspect was his understanding that great suffering was part of God's will for the redeemed. Indeed, God's crucible (17:9) was seen as a necessary component of man's existence so long as evil continued to exist in the world."

One must maintain a long term vision and outlook to endure this. Such strength and resolve is needed of those who want to be a part of God's eternal kingdom. Its worth it!

"Ultimately, God's purpose was to exalt the Sons of Light and to judge the Children of Darkness. The message is one of hope. In the face of such perverse evil, the Sons of Light are encouraged to persevere to the end. God was preparing to intervene and bring a permanent solution for the problem of evil."

So really, I am not the first to suggest such things. I may be the only one in the present to present such gloom and doom now.

I also urge some caution for the scrolls describe the sons of light attacking the sons of darkness. Now given that they seem to grasp symbolism to a degree, it is very possible that the wars and battles they describe could be ideological or philosophical wars, as indeed, Paul describes our battle, not as a physical one against the flesh but of thoughts and ideas. But I can not be sure they thought this way.

But it certainly would be wrong for the sons of light to engage in physical violent conflict. Only God is to do any fighting or killing. His followers are forbid such prerogatives. They must be innocent and non-threatening or there will be no place for them in God's Kingdom.

I will review the scrolls in more detail when I read the books again and will publish what I find right here.

On the Internet
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From this site:       The site calls itself  "Saints Alive in Jesus"
comes this article: "
Masons: Sons of Light? Or Sons of Darkness?"

Masons are fond of using the word light and associating themselves with that word. This site and myself both find this objectionable. Only Christians possess the light of God/Jehovah. This site does not believe that Masonry and Christianity are compatible, which I also agree with. Light belongs to our God only. It that is deemed narrow minded, so be it. AS for myself, though I believe God offers the only hope, I do not belief in persecuting anyone and do believe and tolerance and respect for other beliefs and ways of life. I am not so sure that others feel the same way. Will they tolerate my ideas and beliefs and expressions of those? I doubt it.

I have come across articles of a group called the Illuminati, an alleged secret society supposedly in control of the Freemasons. My only point is that the name they chose, Illuminati, comes from Illuminate, which also has to do with light. Never confuse this light with the light of God/Jehovah, and His son, Jesus. Many try to make the claim for light but if they are steeped in secrecy and symbolism/iconography/images/idolatry, then they are sons of darkness, regardless of known or unknown activities. Christians are to have nothing to do with idolatrous symbols, icons and graven images, as well as secrecy and deception.

I came across this in searching for anything on sons of light sons of darkness. It is such a statement of beauty, truth, and integrity. I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for Mr. HaCohen for an article that absolutely lives up to someone who gets the real message of God, which is that His follows must be a people who practices peace, not war, righting, violence, hate, or despising their fellow man. We must not be hypocrites and you could do no better than to imitate a fine man like Mr. HaCohen. See what you think.
Entitled "Letter From Israel" by  Ran HaCohen
Sub heading:
Sons of Light, Sons of Darkness
"The demagoguery of Sons of Light against Sons of Darkness is a banal Hollywood myth,
used to justify the Sons of Light when they actually behave as Sons of Darkness . . . "

""^ "Freedom-loving countries", says the editorial; and hastens to add, to avoid mistake: "including Israel." Whose freedom does Israel love so much? Is it the freedom of every person to marry his beloved one, a freedom still denied to couples of mixed religions? Is it the freedom of foreign workers, hundreds of thousands of whom are living in Israel in conditions of near-slavery? Or is it the freedom of the occupied Palestinians, who have been living under Israeli military regime for 34 years, without nationality, without human, political and social rights, and in the last decade even without the basic freedom of movement beyond the nearest Israeli checkpoint, never more than a couple of miles away?

And who are those who enlist God to justify their murderous activities? Are they just Moslem fundamentalists, or do murderous Jewish settlers who terrorize the occupied territories do the very same thing? Who are "all those who are ready to accept a solution made up of violence and murder as a path to justice"? Are they the evil Palestinians, who are using violence as a path to the just cause of ending the occupation – or is it virtuous Israel, that has been using a much more murderous violence as a path – not to justice, but rather to injustice, to impose occupation and illegal settlements?  ^""

Ran seems to equate the Sons of Light, also sons of Abraham, with Israel abut says they act more like Sons of Darkness. Actually, you could count many Christians and Moslems as being equally guilty. This has always been God's primary problem. Those He has a deal with ignore His laws and act in opposition to those laws and principles.

I hope you will all consider what Ran HaCohen has to say at this site and rethink war and violence, which are manifestations of hate and injustice. Sadly, so many Christians are also guilty of encouraging and supporting war and violence, rather than promoting peace and tolerance. Sons of light have nothing to do with war and violence. By their fruits you will know them, whoever they might be. Christians who support, encourage, or engage in war are no friends of God or men. In reality, they worship the devil and love the world.

Was I Convincing?
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When one considers the many fruits and tendencies of both light and darkness, you can quickly recognize many parties who are substantial players in the world being moved to ward accepting a false Christ, an imposter. These will hate and torment the sons of light, finally killing many and imprisoning many more. So if you were suspicious of some particular group or movement, you need only ask, what fruits do they bear? While the world in general does not follow God according to how He demands to be followed, some parts of the world, the sons of darkness, are far more sinister and up to no good. These are the ones we can be sure will have something to do with the attack upon us in the not very distant future.

What I hope I was able to do is give you good reason to believe what I say because:

1) It is not a very pleasant message for Christians. But pleasant or not, it is the truth and we must be prepared.

2) AS best as I can determine from my searches, I am absolutely the only one preaching such a negative interpretation. It is not because I like negativity. I am simply pursuing the truth wherever it may lead me, regardless of consequences, which is as it should be. I am not hear to tickle your ears, or become popular, or get you to give me money.

3) You need to prepare to face up to this and get ready. You need to know about it before it happens. Its called fair warning.

4) God demands that I tell you everything I have come to know, to the best of my ability. I must obey Him as well. I do it out of obligation to God and you, my fellow brothers and sisters of humanity.

But whether you listen and accept it or not, is not my responsibility or problem. But with so many lies and professional liars (yes, they are paid to lie) out there, to date, I am the only option you have to hear anything anywhere near the truth because it looks like I don't have a lot of competition out there on this particular subject of the destiny of Christians. I wish it were not so but until another shows up, this is all you got. Sad, isn't it? No one should have to rely on just me. My heart goes out to you all. But beggars can not be choosers. You got to take what you can get and if you can do better, by all means, do so. I'll be delighted and so will God. Don't think He is crazy about me as His best choice, if indeed, that turns out to be the case. So why not start preaching the truth and keep me from hogging all the glory, if there is any to be had in God's Kingdom by me? I don't deserve it all. So come and get it folks!

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