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The Last Days Part 8:      God's greatest enemy,

Babylon the Great


Sub-headings:
The Great City
The Great Harlot
The Great Fornicator
Mystery: Babylon, the Harlot
Babylon the Great City
Why "Babylon?"
Isaiah Says
Jeremiah 50 Doom
Jeremiah 51 Doom
Praise Her Death!
Habakkuk Series, Jun. 30, 2010
Habakkuk 1
Habakkuk 2:1-5
Habakkuk 2:6-20
Habakkuk 3:1-5
Habakkuk 3:6-19
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Habakkuk According to Others
DSS on Habakkuk 1
DSS on Habakkuk 2
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& Ezekiel 26            Mar 29, 2013
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Intro

This is one of the most important prophetic symbols in the Bible and all its prophecies. But I do believe I was the first to make this connection and identification in its full breadth, depth, and scope, with the particular importance that I give to it. Others have since followed, whether due to me and simply being coincidental timing.

There is a great mystery, a riddle, a wonder, a secret, to solve and figure out, in the book of Revelation, which John, its recorder, said he wondered at with great wonderment. It went by various names. It was known as the great city, which I will refer to in caps like this - Great City. It is also called Babylon and Babylon the Great, and is pictured also as a harlot riding on the back of the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. There is a lots of written material devoted to this subject in Revelation, perhaps more than any other subject in this book. Yet, the way it is written, it might not be readily recognized and I believe this was God's intention. Only with great study of the book of Revelation would it be understood the importance of this "Babylon" in prophecy. Why was it so important? Is it a real city or something more symbolic? Lots to be explored in this article. So important is this subject that like the antichrist, I thought it deserved its own article all by itself. As we examine this subject, we will notice the many different names and descriptions of this entity. It will be come clear as we read about them.

The main purpose of the revealing of Babylon was that she was a very mean hateful enemy toward God and His people. But she is also often subtle and operates through other agents so that God's people might not be aware of her as the motivating force behind the actions of others. God felt it important to warn us about her. But we should also be aware that revealing her requires a lot of care so as not to alert her that we are on to her. How God reveals "Babylon" is remarkable yet challenging. He really had to spread this one around and do some mixing up on names and symbols so as to hide and veil the connections. But at the same time, God used key phrases to let us know when we were connecting the right accounts and scriptures. Many have connected Babylon with Babel and I will show you why this is completely wrong and what is right.

Babylon has got it in for us, brothers and sisters. God wants us to know about it. So He has now sounded the alarm. Time to gird ourselves and brace ourselves spiritually, mentally, psychologically, for the fate that awaits us, which shall only last a relatively short time. Then we shall see the Kingdom of God and inherit it.

I make this substantial revision (2/16/2009) after having reviewed what I could find on the internet on many of the prophetic symbols of the Bible, particularly Babylon the Great. When I first published my prophetic series on my site in 2004, no one had published anything any where near what I had at that time. Now, about 5 years later in 2009, there is a lot of stuff and speculation, realizing that God has chosen to reveal things in symbols, and split it all up among different prophets in different places. But still misunderstandings persist, many of which are likely deliberate. So I realized I needed to address a few things to make it even more clear who Babylon might be or at least who it can not be.



The Great City
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[{ I bring up the Great City as it is the first thing to appear in Revelation. We will later see the great city is none other than Babylon. Since it is important, we need to collect all the descriptions and deeds in order to determine what it all means. }]

Revelation 11:
7 And when they complete their witness, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them.

[{ It seems clear that the witness of God's people will come to an end, a completion, due to an attack from the beast. But there is a particular reason for bringing up this end of the preaching, which was rather strong up to this point. I am thinking that when the antichrist first arrives, these locusts/ witnesses cry foul at his claims and they are a real nuisance to him. So the beast, false prophet and Babylon have to get rid of these big mouth trouble makers raining on the parade of the real "haters" of God and His people. }]

8 And their bodies will be on the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom, and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified.

[{ Pay strict attention to that phrase "the great city." It will be very important. This "great city" will be later identified in Revelation 17:18. This Great City is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt and where Jesus was killed; that being Jerusalem. Actually, all the prophets and those sent to her were killed in her as I recall. Who is it that represents the single entity named by 3 different symbols, Sodom, Egypt, and Jerusalem? I ask but I do not answer yet. But if God's people are all over the earth and are killed, at least figuratively, then this great city must also be symbolic and encompass the world and that will prove to be the case later. It is the power and influence which constitutes a "city" and pervades all the world. }]

9 And some from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will see their dead bodies three days and a half; and they do not allow their dead bodies to be put in tombs.
10 And those living on the earth will rejoice over them, and will make merry. And they will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth.
11 And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on the ones beholding them.
12 And they heard a great voice out of Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up into the heaven in the cloud. And their enemies saw them.

[{ Though it is the beast that kills the 2 witnesses (Christians) symbolically says I, Revelation reveals elsewhere that Babylon is behind it. The bodies of the 2 witnesses are seen by some of the people of the earth on the street of the Great City. And everyone is so happy to be rid of these pests who keep reminding them that they have ignored God. And reminding them that the Bible had prophesied just as it was happening at this time. And reminding them of what was yet going to happen. How delighted the haters will be to get rid of us locusts, scorpions, and army cavalry of God. No longer will their consciences be bothered. They will throw a party and celebrate, for sure.

13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand names of men. And the rest became terrified, and gave glory to the God of Heaven.
14 The second woe departed. And, behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

[{ But . . . The 2 witnesses come back to life! What a shock! It is a shock for no doubt, those who where "killed" (imprisoned so that they could no longer offer service to God in His temple, so to speak, and offer sacrifice daily - in Daniel), were told they would be there for life. And when they come to life, a great earth quake occurs and a tenth part/portion of that great city falls. 7000 die in that 10th part of the city and the rest of that 10th (or is it the whole city?) gives glory to God, possibly indicating their becoming Christians or maybe only indicating temporary sorrow and regret even as Egypt felt so after the final plague was delivered by God through Moses. I am not sure just how to interpret this passage but with time, maybe it will clear up. Some sort of change of heart seems to occur because of this symbolic earthquake and political upheaval. This is the end of the 2nd woe and only one remains. This is pretty much the end here. Only the attack of Ezekiel's God and Magog (chap. 36, not to be confused with Gog and Magog of Rev. 20) is left to occur along with God's 7 bowls of wrath.

It will be as when the antichrist is killed at the end of the 7 year tribulation, "not by hand" but by God in mysterious circumstances that leave no doubt as to who was behind it, even as was the case when God's Ark was in the temple of Dagon among the Philistines and God would strike Dagon's statue and strike the Philistines as well, leading them to believe it was Jehovah, the God of Israel, at work behind it all. The people and nations will see their "god" fallen dead and perceive the son of man coming in the clouds and being behind all this and like Pharaoh, they will relent and release the prisoners and strike out in great anger against Babylon, who was closely tied in with this false prophet. They are very angry for they have looked quite silly having gone along with this and perhaps they are even in temporary fear of God as well. It won't last, though. Now we will jump ahead to chap. 14. }]

Revelation 14:8 And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen; because of the wine of the anger of her fornication, she made all nations to drink.

[{ There, see, I told you. The Great City is also Babylon. This is so important to understand in solving this puzzle. After a number of God's people were killed and "harvested" to heaven, so to speak. It will be time for the punishment of that Great City, Babylon. }]

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a great voice came from the throne from the temple of Heaven, saying, It has happened!
18 And voices and thunders and lightnings occurred. And a great earthquake occurred, such as did not occur since man came into being on the earth, such a huge earthquake, so great!
19 And the great city came to be into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the anger of His wrath.

[{ The great city came to be in 3 parts and was remembered by God for her deeds against Him by being against His people. Next we are going to meet the Great Harlot. Her names will give her away as also being Babylon the Great and many of her wicked deeds will be revealed so we will know why God holds so much against her. Chapters 17 and 18 are almost exclusively devoted to Babylon the Great, the great enemy of God. and the 1st 6 verses of chapter 19 as well. So she, Babylon, is clearly important in the events of Revelation.

I guess it should be rather obvious if one has read the many prophecies scattered through the Bible that the dragon, better known as the devil and Satan; and the false prophet, false Christ/Messiah, antichrist, little horn, prince/king; and the Beast, the political military system, along with the image of the beast, who becomes an 8th king as well, are all aligned with this Babylon the Great, the Great City, the Great Whore/Harlot, who manipulates her "lovers" into striking those she hates, even as the various leaders of Judah and Jerusalem did in using Rome and Pilate to do their dirty work against Jesus and afterward, to his followers.

So we have a number of parties, 5 in all, who all work together against God and His people. But Babylon seems to get special attention, for her many connections as a wanton promiscuous whore who sleeps with every ruler and commander she can get a hold of, as well as merchants, too. She is in bed with everyone all the time. She hardly ever sleeps. And just as she hates God, so He hates her all the more. She has long been an extreme nuisance and trouble maker of the worst sort. And a sorcerer and disgusting for her spiritual filth and pollution. }]



The Great Harlot
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Revelation 17:1 And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters,
2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.
3 And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and being gilded with gold and precious stone and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominations and unclean things of her fornication.
5 And on her forehead was a name having been written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth.
6 And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her with a great marveling.
7 And the angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast supporting her, the one having the seven heads and the ten horns.

[{ This harlot is accompanied with a number of signs. But we do not need to wonder very long for those signs and symbols are going to be interpreted by an angel as also happened in the book of Daniel. But note that one of the great harlot's names is Babylon the Great, the biggest, the mother, of all harlots and abominations of the earth. She has got a lot of sin to account for. There is nothing to compare to her.

Remember that the beast was the one who killed the Christians symbolized as 2 witnesses in chap. 11 but really, according to this, in verse 6, it was this woman was was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses of Christ. So just as Jesus was technically killed under the authority of Rome, it was in that case motivated by the Jews who used Rome to do their bidding. So it is in this case as Babylon uses the political powers to kill Christians. }]

8 The beast which you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss, and goes to perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, the ones whose names have not been written on the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, seeing the beast, that it was a thing, and is not, yet now is.

[{ Verse 7 speaks of the beast that supports the woman, the harlot. The beast is described as having a unique feature in verse 8 in that it ceases to exist for a while and then comes back. Then next are described the 7 heads. The 7 heads actually symbolize 2 separate features in verse 9 & 10. This happened in Daniel 2 as well when describing the feet of iron and clay. They had 2 features for the same symbol as well. }]

9 Here is the mind having wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them.
10 And the kings are seven. The five fell, and the one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he does come, he must remain a little.

[{ I skipped 4 verses not relevant to the subject. Next comes the angel's interpretation of the symbols John saw. }]

15 And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.
17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act in one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman whom you saw is the great city, having a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

[{ This woman, and I use that word loosely, sits over many different peoples of the world and also has a kingdom over the earth. She has a lot of power and influence and fornicates with the kings of the earth. If she is a fornicator, then she must have some or should have had some relationship with God but did not stick to it. She prefers the kings of the earth. Her kingdom must be a subtle one, one not overtly apparent, but powerful nonetheless due to her relationship with the kings who unite under the beast.

But these kings and political powers are going to turn on her and destroy her and it will be severe. }]



The Great Fornicator

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>> This is a very important feature of Babylon's identity. And very misunderstood from what I have seen. Babylon is a whore. A totally promiscuous slut. But she goes for those who can give her power or benefit her in some way. Kings, princes, military commanders and the like. That is the way it is in this account of Ezekiel. I bring this up because some suggest that Babylon is a nation. No! She sleeps around with the nations and eventually gets killed by the nations. So she is not a nation! More of a cause, perhaps. She does have a certain influence, power, control, and in that way could be considered a nation but she derives most of her power from the control she exercises over other nations, in a subtle way, even as a woman often uses a man to accomplish her desires. It is the more subtle, less obvious, more clandestine approach to power and control.

She is also referred in description by the name Tyre. Tyre was a remarkable empire, but one that flourished, not so much by limitary might of her own, but through control of a vast network of trading partners, including some who build weapons for her mercenary forces from other nations. Babylon is an mercantile and banking empire which then controls nations with loans, or bribes to key officials, and through blackmail as well. These type of things are always things done in secret. Bribes are not public affairs and backroom deals are always out of sight and hearing.

Israel/ Samaria and Judah were described by God as 2 harlots, with Judah going on to be worse than Samaria. Warning!!! This account is very sexually graphic. Blame God if you choose to be offended. He dictated it to Ezekiel. Or maybe you ought to reconsider your attitude instead. Judah and Israel/ Samaria were often described as fornicators, adulterers, and harlots, in regards to their relationships with the nations instead of relying on God and in her worshipping idols and false gods of other nations.

This was likely deemed as the best way to get through to men, having to imagine their own wives behaving in such an atrocious manner as God's nation and kings did. Revelation's harlot, known more commonly today by the word "whore," must have some sort of  relationship with God which turned out to be adulterous. Some former or present relationship or obligation which she does not honor with God. Lets read Ezekiel's long account. <<

Ezekiel 23:1 And the word of Jehovah was to me, saying, 2 Son of man, there were two women, daughters of one mother. 3 And they fornicated in Egypt; in their youth they fornicated. Their breasts were handled, and there their virgin nipples were worked. 4 And their names were Oholah, the oldest, and Oholibah, her sister. And they were Mine, and they bore sons and daughters. And their names: Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem is Oholibah.

>> We don't have to wonder about the identity of these 2 whores. It is made clear for us. <<

Ezekiel 23:5 And Oholah whored under Me. And she lusted after her lovers, to Assyrian neighbors, 6 clothed with purple, governors and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding horses. 7 And she bestowed her harlotries on them, the choice sons of Assyria, with all of them, and with all after whom she lusted. She defiled herself with all their idols. 8 And she did not leave her fornications from Egypt. For they lay with her in her youth, and they worked her virgin nipples and poured their fornications on her.

Ezekiel 23:9 So I have given her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the sons of Assyria on whom she lusted. 10 They uncovered her nakedness. They took her sons and her daughters. And they killed her with the sword. And she became notorious among women, and they executed judgments on her.

Ezekiel 23:11 And her sister Oholibah saw. And she was more corrupt in her lustfulness than she, and her fornications were greater than her sister's whoredom. 12 She lusted to the sons of Assyria, neighboring governors and rulers clothed most perfectly, horsemen riding horses, all of them desirable young men.

Ezekiel 23:13 Then I saw that she was defiled, one way was to both of them. 14 And she added to her fornications. And she saw men carved on the wall, images of the Chaldeans engraved with red color, 15 girded with girdles on their loins, with overflowing turbans on their heads, the look of rulers, all of them, like the sons of Babylon in Chaldea, the land of their birth. 16 And she lusted after them, to the look of her eyes, and sent messengers to them into Chaldea.

Ezekiel 23:17 And the sons of Babylon came to her, to the bed of love. And they defiled her with their fornications. And she was defiled with them, and her soul was alienated from them. 18 And she uncovered her fornications and uncovered her nakedness. Then My soul was alienated from her just as My soul was alienated from her sister. 19 And she multiplied her fornications to recall the days of her youth, in which she had fornicated in the land of Egypt. 20 And she lusted on their lovers of whom the flesh of asses resembles their flesh, and as the issue of horses was their issue. 21 So you longed for the wickedness of your youth, when from Egypt they worked your nipples, for the sake of the breasts of your youth.

>> I am going to interrupt Ezekiel just briefly to alert you to pay attention to what is said next since it sounds so much like the wording in Revelation about Babylon, the great harlot. Continue: <<

Ezekiel 23:22 So, O Oholibah, the Lord Jehovah says this: Behold, I will arouse your lovers against you, from whom your soul is alienated. And I will bring them against you from all around, 23 Babylon's sons and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, all the sons of Assyria with them, desirable young men, governors and rulers, all of them, third heads and called ones, all of them riding horses. 24 And they shall come against you with weapons, chariots, and wheels, and with a group of peoples; buckler and shield and helmet shall set against you all around. And I will give before them judgment, and they will judge you by their judgments. 25 And I will give My jealousy against you, and they will deal with you in fury. Your nose and your ears they will take, and the rest of you shall fall by the sword. They will take your sons and your daughters, and the rest of you shall be devoured by the fire. 26 And they will strip you of your clothes, and take the articles of your beauty. 27 And I will cause your wickedness to cease from you, and your fornication from the land of Egypt. And you shall not lift up your eyes to them, and Egypt shall not be remembered by you any more.

Ezekiel 23:28 For so says the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will give you in the hand of those whom you hate, in the hand of whom your soul was alienated from them. 29 And they shall deal with you in hatred and take all your wealth, and shall leave you naked and bare. And the nudity of your adulteries will be bared, even your lewdness and your fornications. 30 These will be done to you because you have whored after the nations, because you are defiled with their idols. 31 You have walked in the way of your sister, and I will give her cup into your hand.

Ezekiel 23:32 So says the Lord Jehovah: You shall drink your sister's cup deep and wide; you shall be laughed at and mocked, for it holds much. 33 With drunkenness and sorrow you are filled, the cup of horror and ruin, the cup of your sister Samaria. 34 And you shall drink it and drain it. And you shall break its fragments and tear off your breasts. For I have spoken, declares the Lord Jehovah. 35 So the Lord Jehovah says this: Because you have forgotten Me and cast Me behind your back, so also you bear your wickedness and your adulteries.

Ezekiel 23:36 And Jehovah said to me, Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then declare to them their abominations. 37 For they committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. Yea, they committed adultery with their idols, and even their sons whom they bore to Me, they cause to pass to them to be consumed. 38 Even still they have done this to Me: They have defiled My sanctuary in that day, and have profaned My sabbaths. 39 And when they had slain their sons to their idols, then they came into My sanctuary in that day to profane it. And, lo, this they have done in the midst of My house.

Ezekiel 23:40 Furthermore, they have sent for men to come from a distance, of whom a messenger was sent to them. And behold, they came, for whom you washed, painted your eyes, and were adorned with gems. 41 And you sat on a glorious bed, and a table was arranged before it, and My incense and My oil you set on it. 42 And the sound of a crowd at ease was with her, and drunkards from the wilderness were brought with the men of the host of mankind. And they put bracelets on their hands and crowns of beauty on their heads. 43 Then I said about the one worn in adulteries, Will they now fornicate with her, and she with them?

Ezekiel 23:44 And they went in to her. As they go in to a woman of harlotry, so they went in to Oholah and to Oholibah, the wicked women. 45 And as righteous men, they shall judge them with the judgment of adulteresses, and the judgment of women who shed blood, because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

Ezekiel 23:46 For so says the Lord Jehovah: Bring up on them an assembly, and give them to terror and plunder. 47 And the assembly shall stone them with stones and cut them down with their swords. They shall slay their sons and their daughters, and they shall burn their houses with fire. 48 So I will cause to cease wickedness out of the land, that all the women may be taught, even not to do according to your wickedness. 49 And they shall put your wickedness on you, and you shall bear the sins of your idols. And you shall know that I am the Lord Jehovah.

>> First, it is obvious from the language that the fornications of the two whores is representative of their relationship with the nations and with idols and false gods. The judgment of the harlots is a severe one and one that comes from her former lovers, in a twist of irony as God seems to be fond of. This is the same source of punishment in Revelation, too. Micah tells similar things below.

Idols? Playing politics with nations? False gods? Has it come to that? It has, I assure you. Find Babylon the Great and you will find someone intimately involved in national and world-wide politics, controlling it all. And you will find lots of pagan symbols, beliefs, and practices as well. A 2 bit whore in every way.<<

Micah 1:6 And I will make Samaria into ruins of the field, planting places for a vineyard. And I will pour down her stones into the valley, and I will uncover her foundations. 7 And all her carved images shall be beaten to pieces, and all her gifts for harlotry shall be burned with fire. And I will make all her idols a desolation. For she gathered it from the reward of a harlot, and they shall return to the reward of a harlot.

[{ This modern day fornicator will resemble that of an earlier prophetic prototype, Ancient Israel and Judah, two big whores in their day. So it shall be with the next one, too. }]



Mystery: Babylon, the Harlot  -  Revelation chapter 17 primarily
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[{ A lot of details about Babylon are given here to help figure out who she is and what is to happen to her and in what manner. It is odd that many details are given in reverse order saving the most important details for last rather than first. Probably done to make interpretation just that much harder so that skeptics would never bother to interpret.

It would be nice to be able to easily identify her but then she would recognize herself being named and would ban the Bible. So God had to try to tell us who she is without being too obvious. So we are going to have to work hard to figure this out.

But I want to point out that Babylon is not the beast, it is not the false prophet, certainly not an image or idol. But she is an eternal enemy of God and His people  and has been causing trouble for a long time. She is the instigator of much that happens to us. She is the seed of the serpent, the one called devil and Satan. So God felt we should know about her. }]

Revelation 17:
1 And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters,
2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.

[{ Israel and Judah were often referred to as being unfaithful fornicators with the nations so it would be like that with "Babylon." Babylon is a "she" who acts like a whore with the nations and kings of the world, using them to "get her way." And the nations and kings are drunk with her "wine,"  the blood of the saints. These will become apparent as we go along. }]

3 And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and being gilded with gold and precious stone and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominations and unclean things of her fornication.
5 And on her forehead was a name having been written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth.
6 And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her with a great marveling.
7 And the angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast supporting her, the one having the seven heads and the ten horns.

[{ Ah, a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns and names of blasphemy. Now where have I heard that before? Daniel, of course! The woman is clothed like royalty in purple and scarlet red, gold, decked right out. But since an angel is going to interpret this, I'll let him handle it and talk more after. Note that she is drunk with the blood of the saints, God's people and prophets. She gets the nations drunk, too, earlier in verse 17:2.

The word Mystery is used in the Bible as something that is a mystery and unsolved or it can also mean something deliberately kept secret and unsolved. AS well, a mystery is something we are supposed to see if we might solve it and reveal it. Some things were not intended to be solved until the proper time and I believe this symbol is one of those mysteries that God wants us to solve and understand, for now is the time when it shold be solved and revealed to those meant to receive it. So really, in interpreting this scripture, the name could have been Secret, Babylon the Great, etc. But Mystery works well.

Now as for spiritual harlotry and fornication, Recall in the 4th century how Constantine, the Roman Emperor and not a Christian, even in name, till his deathbed baptism, drew about half of so called Christianity to him to help him fight his wars, and secure his power and throne. In return, he favored the half of Christianity who joined him with absolute power so that they could use military, police, and political power and might to force all Christians to adhere to the same doctrines and ideas as they do. And they could force all the churches to accept the authority of a few to control everyone. This forced unity and control was very advantageous to the Roman Emperor and which in time, would become the exclusive province of the eventual Pope. King and clergy would work together and help each other maintain their power, control, and wealth made from the people.

Phony Christianity became enslaved to do the bidding of the state and not God. It has been going on ever since, even to this very day, even more so than ever! Christians were told by Jesus and the Apostles that the only "force" they could use to enforce the rules was to shun people and avoid them if they would not listen to the church leadership and its members. They did not have any right or authorization to use political military force, law, or violence.

Ever since the 4th century, a number of little movements have stood up and pointed out how "Christians" were not obeying the word of God in various areas. These little groups were viciously and brutally persecuted and wiped out. Most of these began in the early middle ages and continued till Martin Luther, when someone somewhere understood that it would be to their advantage to protect and promote Martin Luther in order to weaken the Catholic Church and the Pope as a competing power to them.

Brains and independent intelligence and thought have always been the greatest threat to abusive unprincipled power, Without principle, one must rely on brutal force for control and obedience. For what people would be dumb enough to rebel against their own welfare and advantage, if that was really what the state was protecting. So when someone stood up to enlighten the people, governments and religious authority would standup quickly to wipe the big mouth / big brain out.

So kings and bishops have been in bed together for quite some time. But another whore comes along to challenge the Roman Catholic Church and take her power away from her. This one hates Christianity and wants it out of the way. So finding out who this whore is, is important. In addition, the printing press came along by this time and was employed. From then on, these little "return to the Bible" groups would no longer be completely wiped out and would grow in numbers, although they would often give out in later years and join the mainstream, not being faithful to the original love and passion shown by the founders of their movements.

So we have a long line of political powers using Christians in their wars, where so many perished for something which was never a concern of God and His kingdom. We have many good movements who wanted to return to the Bible and later perished. Most of Christianity today still remains in blindness, completely controlled by the system and in alienation from God, political whores and tramps. But along the way, a whore come along who saw these protestant movements as a way to take a chunk out of the power of the Catholic Church, who was nothing but a whore herself for so many years. So the whore began to help promote the message of the protestants, when formerly she let these faithful servants of God die at the hands of the Catholic whore.

So the many wars, all of which were to further the power of someone or some interest, somewhere, shed enormous amounts of blood, no small amount of which was "Christian," at least in name. And the false shepherds continue to encourage them to go to war and serve the devil and his interests and die. So we can see the obvious fulfillment of this chapter in history. }]

8 The beast which you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss, and goes to perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, the ones whose names have not been written on the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, seeing the beast, that it was a thing, and is not, yet now is.

[{ This is a curious aspect of the beast, in that the beast would exist and then cease to exist, and then later would come into existence again. This sounds like it might be the United Nations which existed first as the League of Nations, then ceased to exist during hostilities and then came back to life after WWII. That's my guess. }]

9 Here is the mind having wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them.

[{ Hard to know if the mountains are symbolic or literal. I say, like nearly everything else in prophecy, symbolic. Even Babylon is called a mountain in Jeremiah which we will get to. The woman sitting on them obviously is symbolic. I wish I knew my geography better. But I assume that the 7 mountains are accounted as follows: }]

10 And the kings are seven. The five fell, and the one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he does come, he must remain a little.

[{ Rome was the empire in existence when John wrote. Another was due to come some time later and must remain a little while. That little while is 42 months in chapter 11. I would say the USA is the most likely candidate for this empire. When Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 are considered, it seems certain. The 5 that had fallen previously were the procession of powers that took place in that area of the world: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. }]

11 And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition.

[{ The UN is the 8th and is of the 7, which would include the USA. That is, of course, if I am right in my interpretation. }]

12 And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast.

[{ Some members of the UN are maybe going to join in the fun, eh? }]

13 These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast.

[{ Will the USA give up its authority to the UN? We shall see. }]

14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.

[{ They will launch one last great final attack on those who remain of Christ. And they will fail miserably, of course. I believe this was done with the executions and imprisonment of the rest. It is already done at this point. }]

15 And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.

[{ These 10 horns may vary some in the details from the 10 horns of Daniel's beast in chap. 7, but both are said to have 10 horns because we are supposed to put the 2 together. Each handles a different set of circumstances that are put together to form a whole complete picture. They share a common time and situation, as the enemies of God and his people. These nations which this great whore has used and depended on, end up turning on her, much to her shock. She never saw it coming. Her confidence, pride, cockiness, conceit, and arrogance blinded her to it all. }]

17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act in one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman whom you saw is the great city, having a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

[{ Here is the amazing irony. 18 tells us the great city has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. Yet out of these kings is likely to come 10, at least symbolically, who join the beast, itself a group of allied nations, to destroy the harlot with the greatest of severity. They will also attempt to attack God's people after they are let loose, but this will fail. I believe this is described in Ezekiel 38, Daniel 7, and Zechariah 14.

Remember that it was told to us that the harlot, Babylon, was drunk with the blood of saints and prophets, she was the killer of them or responsible for others killing them and that their bodies were on her streets unburied for 3 and a half days. Babylon often gets others to do her dirty work.  But God shall repay her. These descriptions along with the others given by John should help us to know who the harlot might be.

There are yet a few things more we need to know about her that are revealed in the next chapter, 18. }]


Babylon the Great City  -  Revelation chapter 18 primarily
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Revelation 18:
1 And after these things I saw another angel coming down out of Heaven having great authority, and the earth was lighted up from his glory.
2 And he cried in a strong, great voice, saying, Babylon the great has fallen! It has fallen, and it has become a dwelling-place of demons,
   and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a      prison of every unclean bird, even having been hated,

3 because of the wine of the anger of her fornication which all the nations have drunk, even the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her;
   and the merchants of the    earth became rich from the power of her luxury.
4 And I heard another voice out of Heaven saying, My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins,
   and that you may not receive of her plagues;
5 because her sins joined together, even up to Heaven
, and God remembered her unjust deeds.
alternate translation from (RSV)
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

[{ Babylon's demise is announced and ALL the nations have drank at one time or another and even the merchants got rich from her luxury and its great power. So she has a relationship with business and commerce as well, it would seem. 

Verse 4 up next indicates that maybe some Christians (so called) might be involved with Babylon in some way and so should get out of her, so to speak, cease to have any sort of relationship with her, for when her time comes, those destroying her may remember who her lovers were and go after them, too. Babylon's sins have piled up or been joined together so that they have reached clear up to heaven, figuratively speaking. Anyone having very much to do with Babylon may also be in trouble.

But being the God He is, He also appreciates a sense of irony so He is going to use her lovers, the political kingdoms of the earth, to destroy her in God's behalf before God then destroys them, too. Note her arrogant haughty attitude like she can not be touched and will always be on top. How shocked and surprised she will truly be when she does fall. And it will happen fast, in one day, so to speak. }]

6 Give back to her as also she gave back to you, and double to her double, according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double.
7 By what things she glorified herself, and luxuriated, by so much give back to her torment and mourning. Because she says in her heart, I sit as a queen, and I am not a widow; and I do not see mourning at all.

[{ In the same degree that Babylon has enjoyed the privileged life of luxury and ease, to this degree she shall experience very harsh severe punishment, only twice as much so. She used her position to try to get God's people and she did get some of them. But the "10" nations shall get her and far worse then she got others. It will be very swift, certain, and severe. }]

8 Because of this, in one day her plagues shall come: death, and mourning, and famine; and she will be consumed with fire, for the Lord God judging her is strong.

[{ The old whore's going to be judged with lightning speed and severity. But her attitude prior to that is one of great arrogance, cockiness, and pride. Hence her name Babylon the Great. it was Nebuchadnezzer in who proudly, arrogantly, defiantly said
Daniel 4:30 Is not, this, Babylon the great, which, I myself, have built as the home of the kingdom, by the might of my power, and for the dignity of my majesty?
just before God struck him down. So I say this mystery or riddle or the name Babylon the Great is understood when we grasp the arrogance, cockiness, and pride of this whore who hates God's people. She believes she is untouchable and absolutely secure, just before God crushes her. I quoted Daniel 4:30 from Rotherham's Translation.

And she will be paid back, for in her all the blood of the prophets, apostles, and saints, and all the earth lies, as we shall see in verse 24. Christians are warned to get out of her and have nothing to do with her if you do not want to share in her sins and her plagues which will be most severe. I assume by getting out of her, the Bible means, get out of bed, so to speak. Cease the cozy relationships with her. Do not be having immoral "relations" with her. Do not be kissing up to her. Her lovers will be judged as she is. }]

9 And the kings of the earth will weep for her, and will wail over her, those having fornicated and having luxuriated with her, when they see the smoke of her burning;
10 standing from afar because of the fear of her torment, saying, Woe! Woe to the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment came.

[{ I guess some nations will miss her who were in bed with her. Business men will weep over her loss but they will be careful not to show much sorrow for her out of fear. Babylon generated much more trade than would have been the case had she not existed, I suspect. Many did well by her but not one of them is written in the book of life. }]

11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo any more,
12 cargo of gold, and silver, and of precious stone, and of pearls, and of fine linen, and of purple, and of silk, and of scarlet, and all thyine wood, and every ivory vessel, and every vessel of very precious wood, and of bronze, and of iron, and of marble,
13 and cinnamon, and incenses, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine meal, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and of bodies and souls of men.
14 And the ripe fruits of the lust of your soul went away from you, and all the fat things, and the bright things went away from you, and you will find them no more, not at all.

15 The merchants of these things, the ones being enriched from her, will stand from afar because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning;
16 and saying, Woe! Woe to the great city having been clothed in linen and purple and scarlet, and having been gilded with gold and precious stone, and pearls!
17 For in one hour such great wealth was desolated. And every ship-pilot and all company on the ships, and sailors, and as many as work the sea, stood from afar,
18 and cried out, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What is like the great city?
19 And they threw dust on their heads, and cried out, weeping and mourning, saying, Woe! Woe to the great city, by which all those having ships in the sea were rich, from her costliness, because in one hour she was ruined.

[{ Babylon was a fabulously wealthy luxuriant city and the business world seemed to thrive with her and profit immensely from her fornications and other activity. The business aspect is given a lot of attention. So Babylon's power must be extensive since she has so much influence in both business and politics. Interesting to say the least. The business world certainly mourns her passing and loss. All that wealth and organization around it is gone. What a loss.

But you know, When you think about it, how do you gain influence and power with politicians? You buy or bribe them, right? So while Babsy might have political influence, I would suggest that she gets it partially by means of money. She must have a very close cozy relationship with business and finance as well. Why else would they be so broken heated over her loss? }]

20 Rejoice over her, Heaven, and the holy apostles, and the prophets, because God judged your judgment on her.
21 And one strong angel lifted a stone like a great millstone, and threw it into the sea, saying, This way, on a violent impulse, Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and it will never more still be found.

[{ But while the business world mourns Babylon's loss, God's people and all heaven rejoice in her judgment and destruction for she has long been their enemy and tormentor. But she will be no more, ever again. I notice 21 says a violent impulse. Perhaps this action against Babylon is not really planned out or anticipated. It might be a rather sudden impulse. Maybe she does something to piss them off so as to want to kill her as they do. I suspect that when the antichrist who claims to be Jesus and God, suddenly dies in such a way that most conclude it was the hand of God, then, given that this mockery of show is over, leaves them in an embarrassing situation and leaves them quite angry. So they strike out against those who got them into this mess. Babylon? Could be! }]

22 And the sound of harpers, and of musicians, and flutists, and of trumpeters will never more be heard in you. And every craftsman of every craft will never more be found in you. And the sound of a mill will never more be heard in you.
23 And the light of a lamp will never more shine in you. And the voice of the bridegroom and bride will never more be heard in you. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were misled.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth.

[{ I have to say that it is not well known, at least in official circles, who this fornicator who has a kingdom over the nations and is so blood guilty could be. Her kingdom must be somewhat secret or subtly controlled rather than be out in the open. Clandestine like, secretive, veiled! Same for her blood guilt, it being subtle and not easily discerned.

As to who this Babylon the Great is, well, I believe each one should be able to discern for themselves. There are many clues to put together here but I believe who she is will only be obvious to those who are not asleep and see what is clearly going on in the world and behind the scenes. They will likely recognize her.

But as for those who are asleep or do not care, they could not see even if you told them. So why bother. So let those who are asleep, continue to be asleep. Let those who have ears, listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.

One thing for sure, when God's people are viciously and needlessly attack, we shall certainly know then who Babylon the Great truly is. Although she might not be the direct killer, she will be the motivation behind the attack, just as was the case with Jesus when his people used Rome and Pilate to have Jesus done away with. Though Rome was the instrument, it was the leaders of Jerusalem at that time who pushed Rome to do so.

If God's spirit is leading us, then we should come to the same answer without saying a thing to each other. Let us see who is led and who is not. }]


Why "Babylon?"
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The Reason for the name, Babylon the Great

Almost all interpreters of prophecy and doctrine assume that this reference to Babylon is indicative of religious sin and corruption. It is to some degree but it is a lot more than that as well. I want to explain how they got their interpretations all messed up. It boils down to a simple, yet very common, error. Genesis 10 and 11 refer to Babel, from which mankind went forth with different languages, changed/confused by God. From Babel, mankind spread throughout the earth and their beliefs went with them, of course.

Many have always assumed this was the reference intended in Revelation. Only one problem! Do you see it? Babel is not Babylon and Babylon is not Babel and never was. They are spelled different, they sound different, they mean different, and they are from very different time periods and circumstances. Babel is said to mean confusion according to Genesis 11:11. But Babylon, is in Hebrew spelled as Bab-ili and in Aramaic Bab-ilu. The spelling Bab-ylon comes to us by way of the Greek language. But Its Semitic meaning is Gate of God or Gate of the God, that god being Marduk, Babylon's supreme god. Babylon was the biggest city around at its height and was the capitol of the empire and so one could see why it might be called the Gate of the God, Marduk, where there also existed the biggest Ziggurat/Temple around.

I will also point out that Nimrod, who I would also suggest is Sargon the Great/Magnificent somewhere around/between 2300-2000 BC, (More on Nimrod in the works) founded 4 main cities in southern Mesopotamia, known as Sumer and Akkad, with the 4 cities being in Sumer. Sumer is known as Shinar and the plains of Shinar in the Bible. Erech/Uruk/Urak/Irak/Iraq is in the southeast of the area. Agade/Akkad/Accad is not known for sure, though referred to in inscriptions dug up, estimated to be in the northwest toward the source of the rivers heading toward southern Turkey's mountains. Very near to Accad was Babylon as well as Kish, also a very prominent city, though not mentioned in the Bible. Calneh has never been adequately determined, either. Mysteriously, there is nothing in between Uruk in the SE and Agade in the NW, although prominent cites' ruins are found to be there. But I would expect something in the middle in order to secure the entire area as an empire for Nimrod.

But Nippur was a very prominent city in the middle, the religious center of the region, according to inscriptions recovered in digs. Nippur eventually was abandoned. Babel stopped growing after the confusion of languages and it was said that they eventually left off building it. But I would expect the 4 cities to be spread out among the branches of the Euphrates. Here is what the online Britannica had to say: "The earliest cities of southern Mesopotamia, as far as their names are known, are Eridu, Uruk, Bad-tibira, Nippur, and Kish (35 miles south-southeast of Baghdad)." 

Nippur was said to be the religious capitol "Holy" city of the area in its time, according to excavations and researchers. I can't rule Kish out as it was the political center of the region in those early days. It and Nippur were/are said to be the dominant cities of the region. Nearly all cities had ziggurats.

We know Uruk/Erech but none of the others. Nippur would make it two and be more believable since it is in the general area that we should find it. The founding of Nippur varies according to sources. Some say 2500 BC and some say 3000 BC. Whether it began before the flood or not is hard to say. Some cities like Uruk, existed far before the flood. Others began after the flood. A 2500 date could easily be bumped up to 2350 BC or just a little later. Material culture excavated could be within the 2350 BC (flood year) limits. If the 3000 BC dates come from Carbon 14 measurements, then 2350 BC or later would be allowable, since C14 environmental contamination is quite evident throughout the region.

Genesis 10:
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod,
   the mighty hunter before the LORD.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

Assur/Assyr was going forth and Nimrod going forth to build prominent cities near the land of Asshur/Assyria, 4 cities in all. Nineveh, Rehoboth, Calah/Kalhu/Nimrud, and Resen. This region is NW of Summer/Shinar and Akkad. Nimrod was evidently the first to begin growing and assembling a great empire as a mighty one in the earth. Asshur became a competitor to Nimrod and his descendants, I gather. The region of Asshur was a little to the NW from Shinar/Sumer, but not far from Accad. Most secular sources spell it Akkad. Akkad was the name of both a region, nation, and a city, too. Asshur was a son of Shem, Noah's son. Nimrod was a son of Cush, who was a son of Ham.

Both Babel and Babylon were in the same general area of the world, but that was as far as it went. The link between the two began when Judah was taken captive to Babylon and the people of Judah beheld the immense temple ziggurat, a sort of step pyramid, intended to represent an artificial symbolic mountain which was ascended in order to worship the god or gods. Ziggurats were common in the Mesopotamian valley plains where there were no natural mountains and only flat plains. Incidentally, to show you how little most know about this situation, note how everyone that ever painted a picture of the Tower of Babel, always paints it round, spiraling in a corkscrew pattern upward. But everywhere, it was these symbolic mountains, the ziggurats, that were used in worship.

When Judah saw this ziggurat, they recalled the "tower" of Babel in the book of Genesis 10, with its height reaching into the heavens, a figurative literary way of saying that is was very high/tall/big. Some might have even imagined it to be one in the same. However, they are not. Building in Babel was eventually stopped as people left for other places, due to not being able to communicate with each other. The people of Babylon were descendants of Shem, even as Israel and Judah were. Babylon was built after Babel and far surpassed Babel. Though Babel certainly had pagan religious ideas, it was not prominent for that. It was known for not wanting to spread out and wanting to make a celebrated name for itself and ignore God who wanted them to spread out over the world.

But Babylon was, indeed, known for its numerous pagan practices and influences, its spiritism, as well as its pride and arrogance. I will show this from the Bible. Babylon is said to date back to 5000 BC, though I would say a bit later than that, since Adam was created about 4000 BC. But it was far before the flood.  I believe it is likely that Babel was the ancient city of Nippur, once a religious center of the region, but eventually abandoned. In went into serious decline about 1400 BC, about 1000 years after the flood.

This entire Mesopotamian region has ruins everywhere. They experienced a mysterious collapse and abandonment of the many cities of that area at about the same time as the flood, though academics prefer to suggest other causes for this and Carbon 14 dates vary wildly for what seems to be the same abandonment at the same time, everywhere. there is said to be a period of 50-100 years and then many of these cities were re-inhabited, but by different cultures from the previous. 
Genesis 11:
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

It was the descendants of Noah that replaced the former cultures. When they came upon this plain from the east, which seems to indicate that they first went into the Asian steps and then down through the Caspian and Ural seas into the Mesopotamian plain. Though not said in the Bible, when they came upon the plain, it was full of ruins of the former cities that had been, before the flood.  The new inhabitants simply built on top of many of these former cities, creating great mounds.

There are sites that were never rebuilt after the flood as well. So they began what came to be called Babel, after the confusion of languages. The Bible says that eventually, they left off building Babel. Babylon was not left off building, but continued at least thru Alexander the Great. In great time, most of these rebuilt cities were abandoned yet again, this time due to some climate change and more particularly, to the change of the courses of the rivers of the Tigris and Euphrates.

The early climate of the post-food plain was rather luxuriant, but the waters were still receding and the climate continually degrading so that irrigation was used for a while to keep up with lowering water levels of the rivers, but as time went on, even these failed them and the region is only sparsely settled now. Many sites were abandoned. We can see the dead remains of many of these places just below in pictures.

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I have some pictures here from other sites, which are copyrighted (not by me) and those rights are reserved by the owners and I only use them in fair use to make some points as follows:

   

The ziggurat at Ur is in the best shape of any I have seen. This was the city that Abraham came out of. You can see its quite big and maybe restored as well. 2 views shown.
The Ur ziggurat is rather box like in shape. Some are more like a pyramid in shape. They do tend to vary from place to place. Nippur is the place in question. It, too, is quite big, one of the bigger around, even though it had not likely been kept up for a very long time. It must have been very grand in its hey day.

 

Uruk looks like a mountain, doesn't it? It is one of the biggest and oldest cities ever. More of a pyramid shape. I don't know if any of the mound is natural but the plains around it are all flat and open. So it stands out in the area and would be visible for miles, no doubt. It is also quite worn and deteriorated as most are. Been abandoned a long time!

   

There is practically nothing left of the upper part of the ziggurat at Babylon. But the measurements of the temple complex were found inscribed on tablets and so they made a model of what it might have looked like, based on site excavations. It might not look like much but the first big base is there and restored and it is impressive to look up the long stairway. No wonder Jews were impressed and thought about Genesis 10 and 11 when they saw it. As you can see, most ziggurats are impressive, especially when they were new. They are not small and they do stand out in their typical environments of plains and flat lands in most areas.

The last 2 are in cities of Assyria. Once again, sizes are impressive but they are very worn. Rain and wind, no doubt.

But many cities had them at one time or another. They were supposed to represent mountains of the gods where one would ascend to get closer and worship, almost as if ascending to heaven. IN the Middle Ages, they built cathedrals to give people a sense of awe. That was the intended effect of ziggurats and it no doubt worked.

There are a number of ziggurats in surrounding countries. Most are well worn as most here are. You can also check out this site for a number of pictures of ziggurats:
http://joseph_berrigan.tripod.com/ancientbabylon/id18.html


Alexander Hislop, author of "The Two Babylons"

The man and his book, Alexander Hislop, "The Two Babylons," is the one perhaps most responsible for this association between Babel and Babylon. He was ordained a "Reverend" of the Free Church of Scotland. His Father Stephen, was a Mason. Alexander's primary target of his book was the Catholic Church and the Pope. Masons do not like competition and the "Church" had been, for many centuries, one of their principle competitors and enemies, although the two have always remained in bed together. So the goals of the book, as well as its contents, are rather suspect and open to more scrutiny than they have yet to receive.

And while I detest the Catholic Church, I must acknowledge that she kept the world a lot more sane than it has become in the last few hundred years and that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) has often been slandered on many things. One example. The Catholic Church is said to have changed the "Sabbath" from Saturday, the last day of the week, to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. They did no such thing. The Apostles did this and they were not continuing the Sabbath when they switched days. They were now observing the resurrection of Jesus on the 1st day of the week. To their credit, the RCC has faithfully continued, not only this observance, but also that of remembering the Lord by partaking of the emblems of the bread and wine, even as the Apostles did on the 1st day of the week.

Now don't get me wrong. The RCC has a lot of sins to answer for and for those sins she should answer. But she also has many things she does not deserve to suffer for because someone wanted her out of the way so that they could have exclusive power, or at least, the greatest power and influence over kings, which the RCC formerly had. And with the RCC out of the way, now they could charge interest and begin banking with interest in earnest. Yes, I think money is the ultimate way to control things and it is how its done today, so I have no doubt it has always been done this way. So if we look to money and banking's history, as well as that of business and commerce, we would likely find many answers to our questions and mysteries.

Hislop was quite correct in seeing and pointing out many pagan origins in much of the iconography of the RCC. But that Babel was Babylon and that paganism went out from Babylon is not correct, though certainly not of any significant impact to the RCC otherwise. Babylon was just one of many pagan cities. All cities, in reality, were pagan. Hislop was in the right region,  and may have been well meaning, but he did jump to a false conclusion, I believe.

Babel was Hebrew for Confusion. Babylon, a Semitic term referring to the City or Gate of god, is a completely different meaning and place. In any case, the link between these two cities has never been convincingly demonstrated and could not be. On the other hand, I'll show you an account in the Bible that better explains the reason why this enemy in Revelation is called "Babylon." It has to do, largely, with Judah, and some of Israel within Judah, being carted off to Babylon and how the 2 were involved with each other. For one, most Jews who went to Babylon, never left Babylon. Only a small number of their population returned to Judah.

God gave the land of Israel to Israel to live in. Judah was the home of the temple. It was the obligation of Judah to return to their homeland, at God's hand, and restore the worship of God, who they had an obligation to, from the days when Moses put them under an agreement (covenant) to God before entering the land of Canaan to take possession of it. Those who did not return, forsook the covenant agreement they had made with God thru Moses.

They were enamored with the luxury and opportunity of Babylon, whose empire had many tentacles reaching out into the rest of the world around them. Jews became attached to that big city life and commercial enterprise. They were also influenced and affected by the black magic arts of Babylon as well. So strong was the influence of Babylon, that they adopted the alphabetical style of letters of Aramaic, the language of the Babylonians, forsaking the earlier script of Moses and Solomon. This of it self was no big deal. the language was still Hebrew. But it shows how pervasive the culture of Babylon was in Judah and Israel remaining with Judah.

As well, it looks like Judah was influenced by the attitude of Babylon, one of haughtiness, most evident in Babylon's Rulers, Belshazzar in particular. Babylon did as it pleased with other nations and peoples. Like all political empires, which revolved closely around commerce and trading, Babylon was ruthless and greedy in exploiting commerce with her military strength, which all empires tend to do. Judah could hardly have missed this, being victims of it, themselves. But they also saw it as having great potential to live luxuriously and powerfully. Perhaps they even envisioned a business and banking empire while there in Babylon. Babylon was great for banking and money changing.

All empires would regulate money and money exchange, always to their benefit, of course. While armies conquer initially, it is the regulation of money and commerce that truly make an empire a money maker and powerful. Jews became seduced by money and wealth, which is common to all men and races. So they forsook their God, Jehovah, and their obligation to Him, and remained in "Babylon" and the spirit of Babylon, a spirit that had no regard for other gods or peoples.

So many Jews began to do business and commerce. They want out from Babylon into all the regions that Babylon traded with. Babylon would fall, but other empires would take over and keep that spirit going. The devil controls all nations and he pervades the spirit of all these nations, described by Revelation and Daniel as wild beasts.

But Jews carried some very powerful  advantages as they got involved in the business world. They kept their identity and were very loyal to their own race, which by itself, is a very good quality, providing that the race is dedicated to good and not bad. So as markets and networks developed, Jews could always make use of other Jews, in willing cooperation with each other. In time, it would prove a tremendous advantage. But in doing all this, they forgot God, as most wealthy people do. They had a contract with God and they exchanged Jehovah for the god of money and wealth.

And as well, they took Jehovah's gifts that he had given to them with attachments, namely that they serve Him with those gifts, and not the nations or wealth. Gifts of a strong national identity and distinctive culture! Gifts of writing and literacy, very powerful gifts. So they were socially equipped and adept, and academically equipped, due to their literacy skills. With these in hand, there would be no limits for them. But they had one more gift that help or hurt, depending on your view.

They had formerly been in possession of being identified as Jehovah's people. And it just so happens that this is a very desirable thing in the eyes of the devil and his struggle with God. Jews had it and Satan wanted it. If he could make a deal with them, he could masquerade as being God, Himself, Jehovah! Once established as God, supposedly, the devil could do as he pleased, and it would appear to be Jehovah doing it.

The devil is a liar. Devil mean liar in Hebrew. He pretends to be nice, wonderful, pure of heart, holy, and so on. People let their guards down and go along, not examining the details, and before you know it, they are violating everything the real God and Jehovah ever put in place. So Satan badly wanted a relationship with God's former covenanted people, the "escaped" Jews of Jehovah, who were more attracted to wealth, luxury, and power, rather than modest living under God. So perhaps they made a deal with the devil, instead of God, Jehovah by name.

I will note this, having just recently posted (March 17, 2013) the early history of Rome according to Livy, (Titus Livius), that Livy says Rome was best when it was modest and frugal. In his preface to Book 1 of Roman history he writes:

"There is this exceptionally beneficial and fruitful advantage to be derived from the study of the past, that you see, set in the clear light of historical truth, examples of every possible type. From these you may select for yourself and your country what to imitate, and also what, as being mischievous in its inception and disastrous in its issues, you are to avoid. Unless, however, I am misled by affection for my undertaking, there has never existed any commonwealth greater in power, with a purer morality, or more fertile in good examples; or any state in which avarice and luxury have been so late in making their inroads, or poverty and frugality so highly and continuously honoured, showing so clearly that the less wealth men possessed the less they coveted.        In these latter years, wealth has brought avarice in its train, and the unlimited command of pleasure has created in men a passion for ruining themselves and everything else through self-indulgence and licentiousness."

So wealth can be a very seductive and addictive drug of the strongest kind. It can ruin anyone at any time. Being content with humbler, more modest living where appreciation of the simpler things is more important, while being more beneficial to pleasing God and insuring a better long term outlook and advantage, is the far less chosen path for most.

But for Jews who remain loyal to God, knowing this mystery of prophecy, begun with the likes of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and most particularly, Daniel, knowing how to interpret and understand prophecy is the real wealth to be desired. Christians, who we could say are Jewish proselytes, also should desire this kind of wealth. So solving the mystery of Babylon the Great is of the utmost importance, since it is so prominent symbol in God's prophecies.

If we mistake Babel for Babylon, we might miss the whole point and not learn the lesson we need to learn, to save ourselves from the impending disaster to come about in the last days of judgment.

If any still doubt me, consider the upcoming (in this article) book of Habakkuk, who also refers to the very same symbol, but calls it/them Chaldeans, rather than Babylonians. Both referred to the same nation and peoples.


(Rotherham's Translation) Daniel 4:30 "Is not, this, Babylon the great, which, I myself, have built as the home of the kingdom, by the might of my power, and for the dignity of my majesty?"

>> Nebuchadnezzer was pretty full of himself and "his" accomplishment, wasn't he? But as he spoke those words, he was struck down, became mad, and lost his mind, for 7 "times." After the 7 times had been served out, God returned his sanity to him. This was done to show him, the king, that God was the one who appointed kings and removed them, too, when He wanted. Nebuchadnezzar then admitted and declared that God was the one in charge, and not the king of Babylon. But also note the haughtiness and arrogance of Belshazzar, who sat on the throne when Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylon in a single night. Belshazzar had taken out the vessels of the temple of Jehovah, the God of Israel and Judah, as to insult and mock Jehovah. So Jehovah removed him from power that very night, not doubt foreseeing this coming.

I do not and can not say this is the only connection between Babylon and the riddle, the mystery that is supposed to be looked for and answered by the name being Babylon the Great. But it is definitely this Babylon who is referred to in the many prophecies and not the Babel of Genesis.

Given the proud, boastful, haughty, arrogant nature of the rulers of Babylon in general, we see this special feature in her which is used prophetically in Revelation. Hence the name, Babylon the Great.  So I say this mystery or riddle or the name Babylon the Great is understood when we grasp the arrogance, cockiness, and pride of this whore who hates God's people. She believes she is untouchable and absolutely secure, just before God crushes her. But I suspect God chose Babylon as the identifying label because He does have much more tied up in this symbol for us to search out.

God chose to spread the many parts and aspects of this symbol, the ultimate enemy of God and God's people, His true faithful loyal people, and not those who simply take up that name falsely, into separate books and different names, to help conceal the symbol until the appropriate time in the last days. As we will consider, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Habakkuk, Revelation and more all contain prophecies of the final showdown between this enemy of God and His people in the last days. But most of those prophets used different names for the very same symbol. But the traits and descriptions will be identical, for sure!<<


Isaiah Says
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So now take note of Isaiah 47 to better understand this whore and her attitude. Observe that her description is much the same as that in Revelation in case you doubted me. I also want to point out that all the chapters of Isaiah in the 40s, deal with Judah and Israel. The "gears" only seem to switch at chapter 47, and then come back. Is God still addressing Israel/Jacob in 47? He is in 48! It is a very strange anomaly in the narrative that had been going on before and after. Makes one wonder, does it not?<<

(RSV) Isaiah 47:
1 Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon ; sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans!
   For you shall no more be called tender and delicate.
2 Take the millstones and grind meal, put off your veil, strip off your robe, uncover your legs, pass through the rivers.
3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, and your shame shall be seen. I will take vengeance, and I will spare no man.
4 Our Redeemerthe LORD of hosts is his nameis the Holy One of Israel.
5 Sit in silence, and go into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans; for you shall no more be called the mistress of kingdoms.
6 I was angry with my people, I profaned my heritage; I gave them into your hand, you showed them no mercy;
   on the aged you made your yoke exceedingly heavy.

7 You said, "I shall be mistress for ever," so that you did not lay these things to heart or remember their end.
8 Now therefore hear this, you lover of pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, "I am, and there is no one besides me;
   I shall not sit as a widow or know the loss of children
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9 These two things shall come to you in a moment, in one day; the loss of children and widowhood shall come upon you
   in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and the great power of your enchantments.
10 You felt secure in your wickedness, you said, "No one sees me"; your wisdom and your knowledge led you astray,
     and you said in your heart, "I am, and there is no one besides me."
11 But evil shall come upon you, for which you cannot atone; disaster shall fall upon you, which you will not be able to expiate;
     and ruin shall come on you suddenly, of which you know nothing.
12 Stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries, with which you have labored from your youth;
     perhaps you may be able to succeed, perhaps you may inspire terror.
13 You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens,
     who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons predict what shall befall you.
14 Behold, they are like stubble, the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame.
     No coal for warming oneself is this, no fire to sit before!
15 Such to you are those with whom you have labored, who have trafficked with you from your youth;
     they wander about each in his own direction; there is no one to save you.

ASV) Isaiah 48:
17 Thus saith Jehovah, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am Jehovah your God, who teacheth thee to profit, who leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
18 Oh that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had your peace been as a river, and your righteousness as the waves of the sea:
19 your seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of your bowels like the grains thereof: his name would not be cut off nor destroyed from before me.
20 Goyou forth from Babylon, fleeyou from the Chaldeans; with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth: say ye, Jehovah hath redeemed his servant Jacob.

47: 6 points out how God's people of the time had been given to Babylon of the time. But "Babsy" shows no mercy and is very hard on God's people so that God must now punish Babylon severely for her sins. Verses 7 & 8 show that attitude that "Babs" believes she can not be touched and is invincible. Her enchantments and sorceries are her spiritual sorceries with which she has polluted herself. Sounds like Revelation 18, doesn't it? In reality, a worshipper of Satan, the father of all sorceries, right?

I also note her wisdom and knowledge, so called. In one hour, in one day, she is completely destroyed. God is trying to draw our attention to this prophecy in Isaiah in picking the name and description of Isaiah 47. It has nothing to do with Babel! The intention was to have us look back at prophecies in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the like, which were often delivered to or aimed at "Babylon," the Chaldeans, Nebuchadnezzar, the king of, or similar.

I note 48:20, which urges Israel/Jacob, living in Babylon, to leave Babylon, flee from her, rejoicing that Jacob has been redeemed to God, and welcomed back by God, to live under God, in the land God gave to them. That's a good thing, isn't it? So why did so much of "Jacob" stay behind in Babylon? Did they not love their God anymore? I wonder.

God had His prophets write similar phrases and descriptions, symbols which they had no idea what the intended meaning of these symbols were. Yet over many centuries and different writers, the visions remained consistent,  though veiled and kept secret. There is enough similarity so that we can tell what should be associated with what else. God reveals a very important enemy in Revelation and Revelation only, but with other accounts whose meanings were not clear at the time of their writing.

But we can see how those accounts help explain the symbols of Revelation and give more meaning and understanding to the mystery, the riddle, that we are to try and solve. This article seeks to put it all together and enable any informed person to realize who this enemy is. But I can not give you the final answer. You must be able to solve that yourself, if the spirit of God is with you and you have made the proper effort to begin with.

But let me say this. Judah's - Jerusalem's - Israel's encounter with Babylon was one of those critical important momentous occasions where God would use the situations and circumstances that came about to illustrate future events that would be much the same. Only the two players would have changed in the last days. These I am drawing attention to.

But be careful, for when Israel or Judah or Jerusalem is addressed, it is not always the literal ones being referred to, but the spiritual symbolic ones, representing God's future people and covenant as the old covenant people would cease to honor God and those who He sent, most particularly His son. They would be rejected and disowned, then being accounted as just another wicked nation or people.

And likewise, she who is originally called Babylon, was an agent of God in many respects but also an arrogant one. God sort of twists the description of Babylon to prefigure and expose a greater enemy of symbolic future Israel-Judah, that is, Christians. Watch and see that many descriptions of Babylon do not fit the old original Babylon at all. God was using Babylon as a disguise. But He gave us hints to show that we should look beyond the old literal characters and seek the new identifications, situations, and meanings. God does expect us to exercise great care, effort, and diligence in discerning the things that do not apply to the original Babylon nor even to that time. He expects us to look ahead and see who now fits that symbolic name. 

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Next, Isaiah chaps. 13 & 14 have some very interesting things to say. Chap. 13 is addressed to Babylon. Oddly, though, Babylon would not be a concern in a big way till later, in the time of another prophet, Jeremiah. And right after 13, in chap. 14, it continues against Babylon, with just a brief interlude in the 1st 2 verses in favor of a restored "Jacob" and "Israel." This is not the fulfillment that took place when Babylon was conquered and Judah released. This says Israel and Jacob. They never were restored in an official sense. I believe this was intended to describe the situation in Revelation, many years (about 1500 years) into the future. This is Spiritual Israel, God's people in the last days, His 2 witnesses. And just as we have "Israel," God's people in the last days, we also have the enemy of God's people, "Babylon," being addressed, as well. I'll comment as the account goes along. }]

Isaiah 13:
1 The burden of Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw:

6 Howl! For the day of Jehovah is at hand. It shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

9 Behold, the day of Jehovah comes, cruel and with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land waste. And He shall destroy its sinners out of it.
10 For the stars of the heavens and their constellations shall not give light; the sun shall be darkened in its going forth, and the moon shall not reflect its light.
11 And I will visit evil on the world, and their iniquity on the wicked. And I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease; and I will humble the pride of tyrants.
13 So I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall move out of its place, in the wrath of Jehovah of Hosts, and in the day of His fierce anger.
15 Everyone who is found shall be pierced through; yea, everyone who is swept away shall fall by the sword.
16 And their children shall be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be robbed, and their wives raped.
17 Behold! I stir up the Medes against them, who shall not value silver. And they shall not delight in gold.
18 And bows shall also smash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare sons.
19 And Babylon , the glory of the kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah .
20 It shall never be inhabited forever, nor shall it be lived in from generation to generation. And the Arabian shall not pitch a tent there, nor shall the shepherds make flocks lie down there.
21 But the desert creatures shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of howling creatures; and daughters of ostriches shall dwell there; and he goats shall skip there.
22 And hyenas shall cry along with his widows; and jackals in palaces of delight. Yea, her time to come is near, and her days shall not be prolonged.

[{ Well, I just gotta say some stuff here. First, note how similar this sounds to Revelation in, say, verse 10? The day of Jehovah, while capable of applying to any actions of God, most particularly applies to the final judgment day, which would be in the time of Revelation. God will evil on "the world" and the "wicked" in general (verse 11). Far beyond just Babylon. God will shake the entire heavens and the whole earth will move out of place. Some say that will literally happen in 2012. Whether it does or not, certainly it will, symbolically or figuratively speaking. So this doesn't really sound like it fits all that well with Babylon in the time of Cyrus. Further, Babylon continued as a city and power past Alexander the Great. And then there is verse 20 which sounds so much like Revelation 18:21-23. }]

Isaiah 14:
1 For Jehovah will have pity on Jacob, and will yet choose among Israel , and set them in their own land. And the stranger shall be joined to them; and they shall cling to the house of Jacob.
2 And the peoples shall take them and bring them to their own place. And the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of Jehovah for slaves and slave girls. And they shall be captives of their captors; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

[{ Fleshly Israel was never restored as this vision seems to indicate. But Spiritual Israel was! Strangers will be joined to them as well. But now we are going back to Babylon in verse 4. }]

Isaiah 14:
3 And it shall be, in the day that Jehovah shall give you rest from your sorrow, and from your trouble, and from the hard bondage which was pressed on you,
4 you shall take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: How the exacter, the gold gatherer, has ceased!
5 Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked, the staff of rulers,
6 who struck the peoples in wrath, a blow without turning away, ruling the nations in anger, dealing out persecution without restraint.
7 All the earth is at rest, quiet; they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice over you; the cedars of Lebanon say, Since you have lain down, no woodcutter will come up against us.
9 Sheol from below is stirred for you, to meet you at your coming; it stirs up the departed spirits for you, all the he goats of the earth. It has raised all the kings of the nations from their thrones.
10 All of them shall answer and say to you, Are you also made as weak as we? Are you likened to us?
11 Your majesty is lowered into Sheol; the noise of your harps. The maggot is spread under you; yea, the worms cover you.

[{ This section is so leaded with imagery and references. When we finally enter this "rest" from our sorrow and trouble, from the hard bondage pressed on us, much like it was in Egypt, when Egypt oppressed and worked Israel hard, unfairly so, so it is in the last days. Christian "Israel" will be bitterly oppressed, worked to death, treated unfairly and her oppressor will finally get her "due." I find the last half of verse 4 very interesting.  How the exacter, the gold gatherer, has ceased! This is applied as one of the many features of, and descriptions of, this Babylon, the enemy of God's people.  

Below, verse 12 sort of alludes to Satan, symbolically, for he was full of  himself and it also sounds like the Antichrist man of sin Paul speaks of in 2nd Thessalonians in verse 13. }]

Isaiah 14:
12 Oh shining star, son of the morning, how you have fallen from the heavens! You weakening the nations, you are cut down to the ground.
13 For you have said In your heart, I will go up to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit in the mount of meeting, in the sides of the north.
14 I will rise over the heights of the clouds; I will be compared to the Most High.
15 Yet you shall be brought out to Sheol, to the sides of the Pit.
16 They that see you shall stare and closely watch you, saying, Is this the man who made the earth tremble, shaking kingdoms,
17 making the world like a wilderness, and who tore down its cities; he did not open a house for his prisoners?
18 All kings of nations, all of them lie in glory, each man in his house.
19 But you are thrown from your grave like a despised branch, like the covering of the slain, those pierced by the sword, those who go down into the stones of the Pit, like a dead body trampled under foot.
20 You shall not be united with them in burial, because you ruined your land; you have slain your people; the seed of evildoers shall never be named.
21 Prepare for the slaughter of his sons, for the iniquity of their fathers; that they may not rise and possess the land and fill the face of the earth with cities.
22 For I will rise against them, says Jehovah of Hosts, and cut off the name and remnant, the son and grandson, from Babylon, declares Jehovah.
23 Also I will make it a possession of the hedgehog and pools of water; and I will sweep it with the broom of ruin, says Jehovah of Hosts.

[{ Note the heights of arrogance as "Babylon" imagines herself higher than God and heaven. There may be references to the antichrist in this as well. It sound very much Like Paul's man of sin in 2nd Thessalonians. This Babylon is likely to have a special connection with the antichrist, I suspect. But Babylon will be completely and utterly wiped out, never to be heard from again through any offspring. I am considering verse 21 at this point. A complete Genocide! Recall, too, that while normally, God does not punish sons for the sins of fathers, He can do so when He sees fit as He pointed out to Moses in that He brings the errors of fathers upon sons to the 3rd and 4th generations. It reminds me of that quote the crowd uttered to Pilate,
(Matthew 27:25) "And answering, all the people said, His blood be on us and on our children"
In this case of Babylon, it comes to be.

So those who made trouble for God and God's people will themselves experience trouble in far greater measure, for after all, it is their everlasting lives that are being destroyed, as well as any remembrance of them. I should also point out how these verses reinforce Revelation and Revelation reinforces Isaiah and others. Though separated by about 700 years, the message, the symbols, everything is consistent and united. No contradictions to be found.

Of course, following these accounts and symbols all over the Bible does present a challenge but, God has ordained that the mystery be solved eventually and I have done my best to solve and put the mystery to rest and the secret become known. If God is willing, it will be done. It will get done for sure, but who delivers the ultimate message that enlightens . . . that remains to be seen and proved. I gave it my best as that is all I can do. Let God be judge! God will distinguish His loyal ones. }]

 


Jeremiah 50 Doom
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Daniel 4:30 Is not, this, Babylon the great, which, I myself, have built as the home of the kingdom, by the might of my power, and for the dignity of my majesty?

Jeremiah 50
1  The word that Jehovah spoke against Babylon , against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet:
2  Declare among the nations, and make them hear, and lift up a banner. Make them hear, do not hide it; say, Babylon is captured, Bel is put to shame, Merodach is broken in pieces, her images are put to shame, her idols are broken in pieces.

[Rev. 18:2 Babylon the great has fallen! It has fallen, and it has become a dwelling-place of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean bird]

3  For a nation comes up against her from the north, which shall make her land a desert. Yea, no one shall dwell in it. They shall flee, they shall depart, both man and animal.
4  In these days, and at that time, the sons of Israel shall come, declares Jehovah, they and the sons of Judah together, going and weeping; they shall go and seek Jehovah their God.
5  They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces pointing there, saying, Come and let us join ourselves to Jehovah in an everlasting covenant never to be forgotten.
6  My people are lost sheep, their shepherds have caused them to go astray; they turned them away on the mountains, they have gone from mountain to hill; they have forgotten their resting place.
7  All who have found them have devoured them. And their enemies said, We are not guilty, because they have sinned against Jehovah, the habitation of righteousness, and Jehovah, their fathers hope.
8  Flee from the midst of Babylon , and go out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.

[Rev. 18:4 My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues;]

9  For, behold, I am stirring up and bringing up a company of great nations from a northern land against Babylon . And they shall array themselves against her. She shall be captured there; their arrows shall be as those of a mighty, skillful man; they shall not return empty.
10  And Chaldea shall be a prize; all who plunder her shall be satisfied, declares Jehovah.
11  Because you rejoice, because you exult, O destroyers of My inheritance, because you are fat like the heifer in grass, and neigh like strong ones,
12  your mother shall be deeply ashamed, she who bore you shall turn pale. Behold, the last of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.
13  Because of the wrath of Jehovah, it shall not be inhabited, but all of it shall be a waste. Everyone who goes by Babylon shall be amazed and hiss at all her plagues.
14  Put yourselves in order against Babylon all around. All you who tread a bow, shoot at her. Do not spare arrows, for she has sinned against Jehovah.
15  Shout against her all around. She has given her hand, her foundations have fallen, her walls have been thrown down, for it is Jehovahs vengeance. Take vengeance on her. As she has done, do to her.

[Rev. 18:6 Give back to her as also she gave back to you, and double to her double, according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double.]

16  Cut off the sower from Babylon , and the one handling the sickle in the time of harvest. They shall turn from a sword of the oppressor, each one to his people. And they shall flee, each one to his own land.
17  Israel is a scattered sheep, driven away by lions. First, the king of Assyria devoured him. And last, this king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon crunched him.
18  So Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel, says this: Behold, I am punishing the king of Babylon and his land as I have punished the king of Assyria .
19  And I will again bring Israel to his home, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead .
20  In those days, and at that time, states Jehovah, the iniquity of Israel shall not be sought for, and it is not; and the sins of Judah, and they will not be found; for I will pardon those whom I leave as a remnant.
21  Go up against the land of Merathaim , against it and against the dwellers of Pekod. Waste and destroy after them, says Jehovah, and do according to all that I have commanded you.
22  A sound of battle is in the land and of great ruin.
23  How the hammer of all the earth is cut off and broken! How Babylon has become a ruin among the nations!
24  I have laid a trap for you, and you also are captured, Babylon , and you did not know. You were found and also caught, because you stirred up yourself against Jehovah.
25  Jehovah has opened His armory and has brought out the weapons of His fury. For this is a work of Jehovah, God of hosts, in the land of the Chaldeans.
26  Come against her from the end, open her granaries, pile her up as heaps and utterly destroy her. Do not let a remnant be left.
27  Put the sword to all her bulls, let them go down to the slaughter. Woe to them! For their day has come, the time of their punishment.
28  The voice of those who flee and escape out of the land of Babylon to declare in Zion the vengeance of Jehovah our God, the vengeance of His temple.
29  Make the archers hear against Babylon . All you who tread a bow camp against it all around. Let none of them escape. Repay her according to her work, according to all that she has done, do to her. For she has been proud against Jehovah, against the Holy One of Israel.

[Rev. 18:6 Give back to her as also she gave back to you, and double to her double, according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double.]

30  So her young men shall fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be silenced in that day, declares Jehovah.
31  Behold, I am against you, O proud one, says the Lord Jehovah of Hosts, for your day has come, the time I will punish you.
32  And the proud one shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up. And I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall burn up everything all around him.
33  So says Jehovah of hosts, The sons of Israel and the sons of Judah are oppressed together. Yea, all who captured them held them fast, they refused to let them go.
34  Their Redeemer is strong, Jehovah of Hosts is His name. He shall surely plead their cause, so that He may give rest to the land, and make to tremble the dwellers of Babylon .
35  A sword is on the Chaldeans, states Jehovah, and on the dwellers of Babylon , and on her rulers, and on her wise men.
36  A sword is on the liars, and they shall become fools; a sword is on her mighty men, and they shall be broken.
37  A sword is on his horses and his chariots, and to all the mixed people in her midst. And they shall become as women. A sword is to her treasuries, and they shall be robbed.
38  A drought is on her waters, and they shall be dried up. For it is the land of idols, and they boast themselves in idols.
39  So the beasts of the desert shall dwell there with jackals. And the daughters of the ostrich shall dwell in her again. And it shall not again have anyone in it forever; it shall not be lived in until generation and generation.

[Rev. 18:7 By what things she glorified herself, and luxuriated, by so much give back to her torment and mourning. Because she says in her heart, I sit as a queen, and I am not a widow; and I do not see mourning at all.]

40  As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighbors, states Jehovah, so no man shall live there, nor shall a son of man stay in it.
41  Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be stirred up from the farthest parts of the earth.
42  They lay hold of a bow and a javelin, they shall be cruel and will show no mercy. Their voice shall roar like the sea, and arrayed like a man for the battle, they shall ride on horses against you, O daughter of Babylon .
43  The king of Babylon has heard their report, and his hands became feeble; anguish seized him, pangs like those of a woman in labor.
44  Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the home of the strong. But I will make them suddenly run away from it. And who is a chosen one I will appoint over it? For who is like Me? And who will summon Me? And who is a shepherd who will stand before Me?
45  So hear the counsel of Jehovah that He has planned against Babylon , and His purposes which He has purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely they shall drag them, the least of the flock. Surely He will make their dwelling desolate over them.
46  At the sound of Babylons capture, the earth shall tremble, and a cry is heard among the nations.

[{ Notice that Babylon becomes completely desolate, never to be seen or heard from ever again. But that is not what happened with the kingdom of Babylon that fell to Cyrus. It continued. in fact, Alexander the Great, the Macedonian king, took up residence in it briefly. Only climate change and river course change brought about the city's demise. But Babylon was not just a city, it was a kingdom of many cities, a region. So while the particular city of Babylon is no longer inhabited, accept for some tourists or archaeologists, the region which had been part of the kingdom is still there and inhabited by the descendants of that kingdom.

So it is hard to imagine that these words of God really apply to the literal nation of Babylon in the time of its demise by Cyrus. It does not fit. God did not intend it to fit. It was not a failed prophecy. It was a failed interpretation of prophecy if we think it applied to the old Babylon of Daniel. This Babylon is the enemy of God's people. The old Babylon was God's agent of destruction for a time. Nebuchadnezzar even praised Jehovah at several times in his life. Also note that these are 2 very long chapters, one right after the other. It looks to me as if God thought this important to pronounce. I wonder why? }]

 


Jeremiah 51 Doom
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Jeremiah 51
1  So says Jehovah, Behold, I am arousing a destroying wind against Babylon , and against those dwelling in the heart of My foes.
2  And I will send foreigners to Babylon who will sift her and shall empty her land. For in the day of evil, they shall be against her all around.
3  Do not let the treader fully tread his bow nor lift himself up in his armor. And do not spare her young men, utterly destroy all her army.
4  So the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans, yea, pierced through in her streets.

[ Rev. 17:
15 And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.
17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act in one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
end Rev .17. ]
[{ These 10 horns (political kingdoms) who God uses to pay back Babylon. How ironic that those she slept with turn out to be her destroyers. I'll bet she never saw that one coming, eh? }]

Jeremiah 51
5  For neither Israel nor Judah has been forsaken by his God, by Jehovah of Hosts, though their land was filled with guilt against the Holy One of Israel.
6  Flee out of the middle of Babylon ; yea, each man deliver his soul. Do not be silenced in her iniquity, for the time of the vengeance of Jehovah is here; He will give her a just reward.
7  Babylon was a golden cup in the hand of Jehovah, making all the earth drunk. The nations have drunk of her wine, therefore the nations rage.

[ Rev. 14: 8 The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen; because of the wine of the anger of her fornication, she made all nations to drink.

Rev. 17: 1 I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.
end Rev. ]

Jeremiah 51
8  Suddenly Babylon has fallen, and it is broken. Wail for her, take balm for her pain, if perhaps she may be healed.
[ Rev. 18:2 Babylon the great has fallen! It has fallen, and it has become a dwelling-place of demons ]
9  We would have healed Babylon , but she is not healed. Forsake her, and let us go, each one into his own country. For her judgment reaches to the heavens, and is lifted up to the skies.

[ Rev. 18:
4 My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues;
5 because her sins joined together, even up to Heaven
, and God remembered her unjust deeds.
alternate translation from (RSV):
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
end Rev. 18 ]

Jeremiah 51
10  Jehovah has brought forth our righteousness; come and let us declare in Zion the work of Jehovah our God.
11  Purify the arrows, fill the shields; Jehovah has aroused the spirit of the kings of the Medes. For His plan is against Babylon , to destroy it, because it is the vengeance of Jehovah, the vengeance of His temple.
12  Set up the banner to Babylons walls, make the watch strong; set up the watches, prepare the ambushes. For Jehovah has both planned and has done that which He spoke against the people of Babylon .
13  O you who live by many waters, rich in treasures, your end has come, the measure of your unjust gain.
14  Jehovah of Hosts has sworn by Himself, saying, Surely I will fill you with men as with locusts, and they shall lift up a shout against you.
15  He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, and stretched out the heavens by His understanding.
16  When He gives His voice, a multitude of waters is in the heavens, and He causes the mists to ascend from the end of the earth. He makes lightnings for rain, and brings forth the wind out of His treasuries.
17  Every man is brutish in knowledge, every refiner is put to shame by idols. For his casted image is a lie, and no breath is in them.
18  They are vanity, the work of errors; in the time of their punishment they shall perish.
19  The Portion of Jacob is not like them, for He is the Former of all things, and Israel is the Rod of His inheritance, Jehovah of Hosts, is His name.
20  You are My war club and weapons of war, for with you I will shatter nations and with you I will destroy kingdoms.

21  And with you I will shatter the horse and his rider, and with you I will shatter the chariot and his charioteer.
22  And I will shatter man and woman with you, and with you I will shatter old and young, and with you I will shatter the young man and the girl.
23  And I will shatter the shepherd and his flock with you. And I will shatter the farmer and his team with you, and with you I will shatter heads and rulers.

[ Rev. 19:
17 And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, Come and gather together to the supper of the great God,
18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and the flesh of strong ones, and the flesh of horses, and of the ones sitting on them, and the flesh of all, both freemen and slaves, even of the small and great.
end Rev. 19 ]

Jeremiah 51
24  And I will give to Babylon , and to all the people of Chaldea all the evil that they have done in Zion , before your eyes, declares Jehovah.
25  Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain, declares Jehovah, who destroys all the earth. And I will stretch out My hand on you, and will roll you down from the rocks, and I will make you a burned mountain,
26  and they shall not take a stone from you for a corner, or a stone for foundations, but you shall be a waste forever, says Jehovah.
27  Set up a banner in the land. Blow a trumpet among the nations; consecrate nations against her. Make hear the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashkenaz together against her, set a marshal against her. Cause the horses to come up like rough locusts.
28  Consecrate nations against her, with the kings of the Medes, her governors and all her rulers, and all the land of his dominion.

[{ Note that God rounds up many nations to attack Babylon. While the Persians and Medes under Cyrus conquered Babylon, they may have had within their ranks some troupes from other countries since Cyrus had conquered other lands previously. But Jeremiah 51:2 says Babylon is surrounded by nations. The three in verse 27 are likely made up from descendants of Gomer (son of Japheth, grandson of Noah), who may have contributed a few troupes. But the entire scope and scale is far bigger than what Cyrus is known for having done. So this too, does not match up with the circumstances of the 1st original Babylon. It matches perfectly with the last days Babylon who will be attacked by the entire beast system of 7 heads and 10 horns. }]

Jeremiah 51
29  And the land shall tremble and writhe in pain. For every purpose of Jehovah shall be done against Babylon , to make the land of Babylon a desert without inhabitant.
30  The mighty men of Babylon have stopped fighting. They have dwelt in strongholds, their might has withered, they became as women; they have burned their houses, her bars are broken.
31  A runner shall run to meet a runner, and a herald to meet a herald, to announce to the king of Babylon that his city is captured from end to end,
32  and that the fords are captured. And they have burned the reeds with fire, and the men of war are terrified.
33  For so says Jehovah of Hosts, the God of Israel: The daughter of Babylon is like a grain floor, it is time to tread her. Yet a little while, and the time of her harvest will come.
34  Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon , has devoured us. He has crushed us. He has made us an empty vessel. He has swallowed us like a jackal. He has filled his belly with delicacies. He has thrown me out.

[{ Verse 3 is intriguing. Nebuchadnezzar had done nothing particularly inappropriate to Judah and Jerusalem. In fact, Daniel, according to what God revealed, called Nebuchadnezzar the head of gold in the scary statue dream of Daniel 2. Nebuchadnezzar had at least twice praised God and threatened anyone who said anything bad about the God of Daniel. Can this possibly be the same Nebuchadnezzar. I don't see how! Could this be the antichrist, who works so closely with Babylon and who death possibly helps get Babylon killed? I think it likely. for sure, this fella is someone in the last days and not the original. }]

Jeremiah 51
35  The violence done to me and to my flesh is on Babylon , the dweller in Zion shall say. And Jerusalem shall say, My blood shall be on the dwellers of Chaldea .
36  So Jehovah says this: Behold, I will strive for you and take vengeance for you. And I will dry up her sea and make her well dry.

[ Rev. 18: 20 Rejoice over her, Heaven, and the holy apostles, and the prophets, because God judged your judgment on her.
                
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth.
end Rev. 18 ]

Jeremiah 51
37  And Babylon shall become heaps, a home for jackals, a horror and a hissing, without a dweller.
38  They shall roar together like lions, they shall growl like lions cubs.
39  In their heat, I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunk so that they rejoice and sleep a never ending sleep and never awaken, says Jehovah.
40  I shall bring them down like lambs to the slaughter, like rams with he goats.
41  How Sheshach is captured! And how the praise of all the earth is seized! How Babylon has become a ruin among the nations!
42  The sea has come up over Babylon , she is covered with the multitude of its waves.
43  Her cities 
[ plural, indicating a region, not just one city ]  have become a ruin, a dry land and a wilderness, a land in which no man dwells, nor does any son of man pass by it.
44  And I will punish Bel in Babylon , and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he has swallowed up. And the nations shall not flow together any more to him; yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall.
[{ I wonder if this might not apply to the antichrist who claims to be God in the temple }]
45  My people, go out of her midst, and each man deliver his soul from the fierce anger of Jehovah.
46  And that your heart not faint, and you fear the report that shall be heard in the land, the report shall come in a year. And after that the report shall come in another year, and there shall be violence in the land, ruler against ruler.

[ Rev. 18: 4 My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues;
(RSV) 5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
end Rev. 18 ]

Jeremiah 51
47  So behold, the days come that I will punish on the idols of Babylon . And all her land shall be put to shame, and all her slain shall fall in her midst.
48  Then the heavens and the earth, and all that is in them, shall shout for Babylon . For the plunderers shall come to her from the north, says Jehovah.
49  As Babylon is to fall for the slain of Israel , so for Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall.

[ Rev. 18: 20 Rejoice over her, Heaven, and the holy apostles, and the prophets, because God judged your judgment on her.
                
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth.
end Rev. ]

50  You who have escaped the sword, go away. Do not stand still. Remember Jehovah afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your heart.
51  We have turned pale because we have heard reproach, dishonor has covered our faces. For foreigners have come into the holy places of the house of Jehovah.
52  So, behold, the days are coming, says Jehovah, that I will punish on her idols, and through all her land the wounded shall groan.
53  Though Babylon should mount up to the heavens, and though she should fortify her strong height, plunderers shall come from Me to her, states Jehovah.
54  A sound of a cry from Babylon , and great ruin from the land of Chaldeans !
55  For Jehovah is stripping Babylon , and the great voice will perish out of her. And her waves will roar like many waters, the noise of their voice is given.
56  Because the plunderer is coming on her, on Babylon , and her mighty men are captured, their bows are shattered; for Jehovah the God of recompenses shall surely repay.
57  And I will make her rulers drunk, also her wise ones, her governors, and her rulers, and her mighty men; and they shall sleep a never-ending sleep, and not awaken, says the King whose name is Jehovah of Hosts.
58  So says Jehovah of Hosts, The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly laid bare, and her high gates shall be burned with fire. And the peoples shall labor as for vanity, and the peoples as for fire; and they shall be weary.
59  The word which Jeremiah the prophet commanded Seraiah, the son of Neriah, the son of Maaseiah, when he went with Zedekiah, the king of Judah , to Babylon in the fourth year of his reign. And Seraiah was a chief official.
60  So Jeremiah wrote in a book all the evil that should come on Babylon , all these words that are written against Babylon .
61  And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When you come to Babylon and shall see and shall cry all these words,
62  then you shall say, O Jehovah, You have spoken against this place to cut it off so that no dweller shall be in it, from man to animal, but it shall be a ruin forever.
63  And it shall be, when you have finished crying this book, you shall tie a stone to it and throw it into the middle of the Euphrates .
64  And you shall say, In this way Babylon shall sink and shall not rise from the evil that I am bringing on her. And they shall be weary. So far are the words of Jeremiah.

end Jeremiah 51

>> Recall that in Revelation just below is similar to Jeremiah 51:64 just above. The association between the 2 is certain!  <<

Rev. 18:
21 And one strong angel lifted a stone like a great millstone, and threw it into the sea, saying, This way, on a violent impulse, Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and it will never more still be found.
22 And the sound of harpers, and of musicians, and flutists, and of trumpeters will never more be heard in you. And every craftsman of every craft will never more be found in you. And the sound of a mill will never more be heard in you.
23 And the light of a lamp will never more shine in you. And the voice of the bridegroom and bride will never more be heard in you. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were misled.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth.

[{ Imagine how Jeremiah felt upon being told to tell Seraiah to take the scrolls containing these prophecies after they have been read to the captive Jews in Babylon and throwing the scrolls into the Euphrates river in Babylon. Jeremiah might have thought it a little odd that this should be God's instruction. Little did he know he was carrying out an act, or at least writing a passage that would become key to linking to a similar vision in Revelation. It was not his privilege to know what he was writing and doing. But how handy it was, and is, for us.

By now, you have seen all the many amazing similarities between Jeremiah's Babylon and the one of Revelation. Further, Jeremiah's Babylon does not match up well, if at all, at times, with literal Babylon of his times. It wasn't intended to. God knew what He was doing, even though Jeremiah might have been scratching his head. But it is the fact that these visions of the various prophets were a mystery to them and many who came after them for many centuries. But look how amazingly well they all go together for us in the last days. This constitutes a miracle and great and powerful works of God. No small signs and wonders here. These are huge and show how prophecy truly comes from the Divine realm.

But Some are not content with this and prefer questionable "gifts" such as speaking in tongues or the like. Can you imagine trading in these incredible prophecies for something as meaningless and useless as some mumble jumble gibberish no one can understand or make nearly as much use of as one can with prophecy? Some people can never be pleased. }]


Praise Her Death!
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Revelation 19:1 And after these things, I heard a great voice of a numerous crowd in Heaven, saying, Hallelujah! The salvation and the glory and the honor and the power of the Lord our God!
2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He judged the great harlot who defiled the earth with her fornication. And He avenged the blood of His slaves out of her hand.

[{ Babylon was the serious enemy and killer of God's people. Everyone in heaven rejoices over her destruction. She was worthy of destruction. All the groups in verses 3-6 follow in Hallelujahs (Praise Jehovah) and Amens. }]

3 And secondly they said, Hallelujah! Also her smoke goes up forever and ever.
4 And the twenty four elders, and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God sitting on the throne, saying, Amen! Hallelujah!
5 And a voice came out from the throne, saying, Praise our God, all His slaves, and the ones fearing Him, the small and the great.
6 And I heard as a sound of a numerous crowd, and as a sound of many waters, and as a sound of strong thunders, saying, Hallelujah! Because the Lord God Almighty reigned.

[{ After Babylon is gone, the nations next turn their attention again to Christians, the remaining ones of  "woman's seed," in effect, using them to get at Christ. At this point, all the rest of God's enemies are destroyed, thrown into the symbolic Lake of Fire. }]

19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies being assembled to make war with the One sitting on the horse, and with His army.
20 And the beast was seized, and with this one the false prophet doing signs before it, by which he led astray those having received the mark of the beast, and those worshiping its image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword of the One sitting on the horse, it having gone out of His mouth. And all the birds were filled from their flesh.


Habakkuk 1
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I had long loved the 1st 5 verses of Habakkuk. They were very stirring. I had decided a couple weeks ago from writing this that I wanted to look closer into those  verses. It had been some time since I had read the entire book. Years at least. So I collected some different translations of the Bible on the matter and I began reading the rest and my jaw dropped to the floor. It was clearly written against modern day Babylon the Great, but went by the name of the Chaldeans, which was the race of those who principally made up Babylon. So my work expanded to a verse by verse analysis of the 3 chapter book. I had to do this because this book was set to music and as a result, is much harder to translate and understand without more care in definition and analysis.

I had first recognized Babylon the Great in 2004 and written about it but this was long after my last reading of Habakkuk. But having pondered Babylon for some time, due to the many visions concerning that identity and its related identities, wherever I came across them, I was ready to recognize Babylon in the Chaldeans of Habakkuk. So I now present Habakkuk as part of the Babylon the Great article, perhaps one of the most prominent and important symbols in the Judgment Day prophecies. As well, I also learned about the Dead Sea Scrolls containing 2 of the chapters of Habakkuk and they also had remarkable things to say about it all so they are added as well for consideration. The analysis of Habakkuk about doubled what I had previously written but the previous material probably has more impact. But this book is still very important in showing what a prominent feature the figure/symbol of prophetic Babylon the Great truly is.

>> I begin to write in red-ish brown letters with a sort of bracket to distinguish my writing from that of the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls which I abbreviate as DSS. <<

GLT)
1 The burden which Habakkuk the prophet saw:
2 O Jehovah, until when shall I cry for help, and You will not hear? I cry out to You, Violence! But You do not save.
3 Why do You show me evil, and You look upon toil? For destruction and violence are before me;
    and there is strife, and contention rises up.
4 On account of this the law has become helpless, and justice does not continually go forth.
    For the wicked hems in the righteous, so justice goes forth, being perverted.

>> Many versions say vision or oracle, but GLT says burden in verse 1.
The Hebrew 4853 asm massa mas-saw   appears in the KJV as:
burden 57 times, song 3, prophecy 2, set 1, exaction 1, carry away 1, tribute 1; 66 total.
The tone/theme of 2-4 is very similar to what we commonly read in the Psalms and Jeremiah as well. Why does wickedness and the wicked abound. But also common in the scriptures are the promises that God will eventually catch up with the wicked and their wicked deeds. It will not go on forever. So this is what we might call a long term prophetic theme, prophesying Judgment Day, popularly called Armageddon by many today. But sadly, because the wicked are getting away with it for the present, they have gone from bad to worse. Chapter 2 will show just how bad it has gotten. <<

GLT)    5 Look among the nations and see, and be amazed. Be amazed! For a work is working in your days which you will not believe, though it be told to you.
RSV)    5 Look among the nations, and see; wonder and be astounded. For I am doing a work in your days that you would not believe if told.
BBE)    5 See among the nations, and take note, and be full of wonder: for in your days I am doing a work in which you will have no belief, even if news of it is given to you.
Douay) 5 Behold you among the nations, and see: wonder, and be astonished: for a work is done in your days, which no man will believe when it shall be told.
KJV)    5 Behold you among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which you will not believe, though it be told you.
Geneva) 5 Behold among the heathen, and regard, and wonder, and marvel : for I will work a work in your days: you will not believe it, though it be told you.

>> It is the nations being addressed, the world. I quote 6 translations to see how each chose to word it. But the ye/you is assumed and is not in the Hebrew though I do agree it is the nations and those in them that are addressed. Be shocked and astonished! For God is doing a work in their very day that they absolutely will not believe, even though it will be plainly spoken to them and told like it is. Recall that Jesus spoke out boldly to his disciples that the son of man must be delivered up, tortured, and killed and they did not want to believe, either. But the wicked will not believe because they do not want to and because they are so cocky and arrogant, believing they can not possibly be stopped and besides, there is no God, anyway, right? ;-) But the joke is on them.

Now it is going to get very tricky. For we are about to be introduced to the "Chaldeans," another name used for Babylon. But the tone before this and well after, is one of the final Judgment of God, not that of just Babylon or the Chaldeans. The Chaldeans are used for their arrogance and mightiness, almost seemingly invincible. Yet they did fall in just 70 years. They represent the enemies of God's people at the time of Habakkuk and Israel/Judah. But since we are dealing with the end times, "Israel" are loyal Christians and Babylon is the fierce enemy of Christians, though many who call themselves Christians are not even aware they have an enemy. But those blessed by God know they have an enemy and they are on the watch. <<

GLT) 6 For, behold, I raise up the Chaldeans, the bitter and impetuous nation which is going into the broad spaces of the land, to possess dwellings not his own.
JB)    6 For now I am stirring up the Chaldaeans, that fierce and fiery people who march miles across country to seize the homes of others.

GLT) 7 He is terrible and fearful; his judgment and his glory comes from himself.
JB)    7 A people feared and dreaded, from their might proceeds their right, their greatness.
KJV) 7  They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

>> The Chaldeans have a long reach and come from far away to take broad amounts of land and homes from others. They are feared and dreaded as they should be. We have often heard the saying "might makes right" and that is nearly what is said in 7 in that their might supports their claims to justice and greatness. It certainly is not righteousness or principle that makes them great or just. I am going to inject how the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) interpret this scripture between 8 and 9 as well. <<

GLT) 8 His horses also are swifter than leopards and are fiercer than the evening wolves. And their horsemen spread themselves;
             yea, their horsemen come from afar; they shall fly as the eagle hurrying to eat.
JB)    8 Their horses are swifter than leopards, fiercer than wolves in the dark; their horsemen gallop on,
             their horsemen advance from afar, swooping like an eagle to stoop on its prey.

DSS)
8 Their horses are swifter than leopards and fleeter than evening wolves. Their horses step forward proudly and spread their wings;
             they fly from afar like an
eagle avid to devour.
          9 All of them come for violence; the look on their faces is like
the east wind (1: 8-9a).


GLT) 
9 All of him shall come for violence; the gathering of their faces is forward; and they gather captives like the sand.
JB)    9 They come for plunder, all of them, their faces scorching like an east wind; they scoop up prisoners like sand.

GLT)
10 And he shall scoff against the kings, and officials shall be a scorn to him. He shall scorn every fortress,
          and he shall heap up dirt and capture it.
JB)    10 They are a people that scoff at kings, and laugh at princes. They make light of all fortresses:
          they heap up earth and take them.

GLT)
11 Then he sweeps on like a wind; and he transgresses and is guilty, crediting this power of his to his god.
JB)    11 Then the wind changes and is gone. Sinful, he who makes his own strength his god.
KJV) 11 Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this <(2098) his power <(3581) unto his god <(433).

>> They are fast in their approach, and more fierce than wolves, swooping in like an eagle from out of the clear blue sky. You don't even get a chance or warning as they come in. They are the ultimate predators. And as fast as they come in, they are just as quickly gone and moved on to another victim elsewhere. In 9, they gather captives in huge numbers, employing violence along the way.
10 they are not impressed or worried by kings and representatives. They laugh at these. They joke about fortresses and armies. They easily take these down and plow them under. But notice the very interesting line to follow in 11. The "Chaldeans" credit their god or maybe even the God, Jehovah. I quote the KJV Bible since Strong's (numbers) Hebrew Dictionary can be linked.

2098 wz zuw zoo appears in the KJV as - which 5, this 4, that 3, wherein 2, whom 1; 15 total.

3581
xk koach ko- akh or (#Da 11:6) xwk kowach ko- akh
from an unused root meaning to be firm; n m;

appears in the KJV as - strength 58 times, power 47 times, might 7, force 3, ability 2,
able 2, able +
06113 1, chameleon 1, fruits 1, powerful 1, substance 1, wealth 1, weary + 03019 1; 126 total.

433 hwla elowahh el-o- ah rarely (shortened) hla eloahh el-o- ah
probably prolonged (emphat.) from
0410 ; n m;
appears in the KJV as - God 52 times, god 5; 57 total.

This is usually translated as the God, but in 5 places just a god. Given that it is sort of emphatic, I see the distinct possibility, when the concept of the antichrist is considered as well, that it may in fact be The God, Jehovah, who is credited with giving them their power when in fact, it is the devil who does so. But just as easily, it could be the devil that is intended as the one they truly honor with their credit. But either way, it is their military skill and might that supplies their power and fear of them in others. The Jerusalem Bible has an interesting spin but I don't think it is correct. But nonetheless, it is worth considering in that the "Chaldeans" are full of themselves and are drunk with power and success. Pride comes deep and strong before a fall, right?
They will be in for a surprise one day at the hand of God.

And in case you are wondering why I select the Jerusalem Bible (JB) to compare often in this article, it is because the Jerusalem Bible was first translated into French from the Greek and then from French to English. In doing so, some interesting wording and slightly different ways of looking at translation come about. It attempts to be literal but not necessarily of precise word order, which seems reasonable to me and often beneficial. It makes a nice contrast and a 2nd opinion at times. The JB does use the non-traditional form of God's name, Yahweh, assuming it to be more correct but I do not believe that it accomplishes this. The Y and the W are fine and the vowel choices as well, but it is missing the middle syllable, which Jehovah is not. But this is a small inconsequential matter. <<

GLT) 12 Are You not from of old, Jehovah our God, my Holy One? We shall not die, Jehovah, for You have appointed him for judgment.
          And, my Rock, You have established him for correction.
JB)    12 Are not you, from ancient times Yahweh, my God, my Holy One, who never dies? Yahweh, you have made this people an instrument of justice,
          set it firm as a rock in order to punish.

>> Habakkuk ponders why the Chaldeans are used as an instrument of justice and discipline to punish Israel. Habakkuk realizes that God is too righteous and decent to let the Chaldeans go on forever without also making them accountable as well as 13 next shows. The JB, in my opinion, uses better words. I think that tyranny is a better choice than vexation. But both deceitfully and treacherous are good choices.

But there are some oddities in this "burden" of Habakkuk in that Israel, more properly Judah, was no better than Babylon, but Judah carried on the worship of Jehovah while Babylon did not.
Judah needed to be humbled and purified in order to make the worship of God acceptable enough to produce/introduce the Messiah according to the law of God. So Babylon was given (was used) to accomplish the will of God and when God was done with Babylon, then the Chaldeans would get their due as well.

But then I ask, since the Chaldeans/Babylon were God's instrument and were not worthy and were punished, if the modern day prophetic Babylon also unworthy and lesser than the authentic Christians but used to punish that part of Christianity that merits punishment, with Babylon then being judged herself? Something to think about! What I can draw as a parallel is that those who were still good among Judah were told by Jeremiah to submit to the king of Babylon as long as God's rules were not compromised. Then God would deal with Babylon when it was time to do so. <<

GLT) 13 You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and You are not able to look upon vexation. Why do you look on those who deal deceitfully?
          Will You be silent when the wicked swallows one more righteous than he?
JB)    13 Your eyes are too pure to rest on wickedness, you cannot look on at tyranny. Why do you look on while men are treacherous,
          and stay silent while the evil man swallows a better man than he?

>> The next part is tricky (it was for me, anyway). Habakkuk is addressing God as You in 13 above. He continues that way in 14 below. Mankind is like the fish of the sea and the bugs and small reptiles and amphibians. But in 15, "He" hooks and nets mankind. He being the Chaldeans or he who leads and directs the Chaldeans. He benefits from his nets and profits immensely from them and sacrifices to them. He worships the means of his harvest, a harvest of people and their labor and possessions. In 16, He and his people enjoy great luxury because of their "nets" and "hooks," what we might call traps, maybe even perhaps legal or financial traps, pledges, collateral, mortgages, excessive interest rates that cause bankruptcy and repossession, or tax and tribute traps. Political traps as well! <<

GLT) 14 For You make man like the fish of the sea, like creeping things with no ruler over him.
JB)    14 You treat mankind like fishes in the sea, like creeping, masterless things.

GLT) 15 He takes up all of him with the hook; he drags him with his net and gathers him with his seine. On account of this he rejoices and exults.
JB)    15 A people, these, who catch all on their hook, who draw them with their net, in their dragnet gather them, and so, triumphantly, rejoice.

GLT) 16 So he sacrifices to his net, and burns incense to his seine; because by them his portion is fat, and his food rich.
JB)    16 At this, they offer a sacrifice to their net, and bum incense to their dragnet, for providing them with luxury and lavish food.

GLT) 17 Shall he therefore empty his net, and shall he not spare to continually slay nations?
JB)    17 Are they then to empty their net unceasingly, slaughtering nations without pity?
RSV) 17 Is he then to keep on emptying his net, and mercilessly slaying nations for ever?
BBE) 17 For this cause his net is ever open, and there is no end to his destruction of the nations.
KJV) 17 Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?
Roth) 17 Shall he, on this account, empty his net? And, the continual slaying of nations, deem to be no pity?

>> 17 is a tough one so I brought forth 6 witnesses in the matter. But since the key to this riddle is in chapter 2, it helps solve this, too. Habakkuk leaves us with an open ended question. Does God really care about this horrible situation whereby all the earth and mankind suffer at the hands of the Chaldeans/Babylon. Will there be no end to their plunder, conquer and killing? Verses 1 and 2 of the next chapter immediately answer for us. <<


Habakkuk 2: 1-5
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GLT) 1 I will stand on my guard and set myself on the tower, and watch to see what He will say against me, and what I shall return on my rebuke.
JB)    1 I will stand on my watchtower, and take up my post on my battlements, watching to see what he will say to me, what answer he will make to my complaints.

>> Habakkuk speaks in 1, waiting on God to answer and answer He does in 2 & 3! Its a rather well known scripture for those denominations who are prophecy oriented and expecting a judgment day of some sort. Write the vision down clearly and easily visible on tablets on display so that one will easily see it, read it, and run to action or run in fear, which ever the case may be. There will be no time to delay! <<

GLT) 2 And Jehovah answered me and said, Write the vision and engrave it on the tablets, that he who reads it may run.
JB)    2 Then Yahweh answered and said, "Write the vision down, inscribe it on tablets to be easily read,

GLT) 3 For the vision is still for the appointed time, but it breathes to the end, and it does not lie.
            Though it delays, wait for it, because it will surely come; it will not tarry.
JB)    3 since this vision is for its own time only: eager for its own fulfillment, it does not deceive;
            if it comes slowly, wait, for come it will, without fail.

>> The vision is still for the appointed time, far into the future. Its own special time! You can be certain it will happen but we are warned that it could seem late or delaying and we could lose hope so we are warned not to lose heart or hope. Hang in there, right? Scoffers and ridiculers will, of course, laugh and insist it will not happen but they will soon be ashamed and terrified when it does.

The next verse begins God's promise to make the wicked, the proud, the arrogant and all other bad qualities, all answer for their evil and to be judged, but in a most ironic way. Justice will catch up with these who always sought evil and selfish greed. But also keep in mind that what is described is for the very last days on this world-system-age. So we are no longer (and never were) dealing with the Chaldeans or Judeans of Habakkuk's day. We are dealing with Christians and the notorious enemy of God's people, called Chaldeans in figure, but much better known as Babylon and Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and disgusting things of the earth.

What follows is a sort of literary style where a series of woes are listed off. These woes or warnings are about the horrible things that had been going on in the world, especially so in the last years. They are typical of the greed and problems we encounter today and they are world wide problems affecting the whole world so this is not just Judah or the Chaldeans. Its a much bigger picture as evidenced by verses 2-3. This is the Judgment Day, the 7 bowls of wrath described in Revelation in the latter chapters. We should know them well.

God was clever to carefully hid and conceal this message so that enemies would not discern it and only those of His people who sought Him diligently would gain the understanding of the vision near the time when it would soon be fulfilled, with just enough time to prepare for it. Hey, I just figured it out now as I write at the creation of this Habakkuk commentary. this is yet another symbol of Babylon the Great. <<


GLT) 4 Behold, the soul of him is puffed up and is not upright; but the just shall live by his faith.
JB)    4 "See how he flags, he whose soul is not at rights, but the upright man will live by his faithfulness."

>> God is doing a comparison of the enemies and of God's faithful followers in 4. More traits of each and their destinies are to follow. There is a lot in 5. It is a sort of composite profile of the wicked in that many (most) are given to wine and excess. They are proud and never content or satisfied. Most important is a key here. A man who gathers all nations and peoples to himself. He wants to rule the entire world every last soul in it. Ruling a city or a state or just one nation would never be enough for him. He must have the whole complete absolute world to himself. And if there were other worlds in the galaxy which were within grasp, he would eventually want them, too.

In a human, when the switch in our heads gets stuck on the "on" position, it keeps sending a signal, such as I need more, even if he has plenty already. This is the root of obsession/compulsion. It is a disease, but one of thinking and morality and not one that is beyond our control. So a man of 10 or 20 billion will not be happy with 10 or 20, especially if there are 10 or 20 other men that have that much. He will want to have more than all of them. Its just a big competition and ego game. Contentment is out of the question. Happiness or satisfaction are beyond their grasp. A guy might have 50 wives, but he will always see more that he likes and does not have and will want them. Solomon had a 1000. Some just have them for a few times and not bother to marry.

But most particularly with concern to the last days, dominion of the world would be sought by God's enemies, who are all dedicated to a common cause to make the world and all in it, theirs to do as they please. This is how we know this does not apply ancient Neo-Babylon, who only controlled the Near East. This is the Babylon of Revelation, God's long time enemy who fights His every will and desire, taking it out on His people here on earth who carry His name on them. <<

GLT) 5 And also, wine indeed betrays a proud man, and he is not content; who widens his soul like Sheol. And he is like death, and is not satisfied,
             but gathers all the nations to himself, and collects all the peoples to himself.
JB)    5 Wealth is indeed a treacherous thing. Haughty and unable to rest is he who is as greedy as Sheol, who is like death, insatiable,
             who assembles all the nations for his own ends, collects all the peoples to his own advantage.
KJV) 5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine <(3196), he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home <(5115), who enlargeth <(7337) his desire <(5315)
             as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

>> Before I finish with 5, I want to point out that the JB does not make sense here. "Wealth" is not a word that should be here. So I added the KJV 5 to show the Hebrew words to prove what I say and verify the GLT and KJV.

3196 Nyy yayin yah- yin appears in the KJV as:
wine 137, vine 1, banqueting 1, winebibbers +
05433 1; 140

5115
hwn navah naw-vaw appears in the KJV as:
keep at home 1, prepare an habitation 1; 2

7337
bxr rachab raw-khab appears in the KJV as:
enlarge 18, wide 3, large 2, make room 2; 25

5315 vpn nephesh neh- fesh appears in the KJV as:
soul 475, life 117, person 29, mind 15, heart 15, creature 9, body 8, himself 8,
yourselves 6, dead 5, will 4, desire 4, man 3, themselves 3, any 3, appetite 2, misc 47; 753


As you can see, none of these translations gets it completely and literally right. GLT says "soul," but KJV says "desire," which of course, a soul can have but its a little more than that. The original Hebrew says he does not stay at home, is not content with being home, but wants to venture out far beyond that. GLT says "content," but KJV says "keepeth at home," which is far more correct and adds to the idea of wanting to rule the whole world. the JB seems to be way off here. Passing through 2 languages to get to English might have contributed to that. But as you can see in this example, consulting the Hebrew is always important and especially so when faced with a tough scripture or differing opinions in translation.

Babylon wants everything! Make no mistake about it! And God help anyone who get in his or their way!  <<


Habakkuk 2: 6-20
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>> Now in 6 begins a series of woes from God, 4 of them. And there is another phrase said twice which I have also highlighted in bold. Its a very important phrase. We'll deal with 6 for the moment. The woe or warning is to "him," whoever he might be, who takes what is not his and takes pledges, what we might call collateral or loans today and holds people at ransom for their debt pledges and collateral. Did you use your home to get a loan or re-mortgage? You could lose it all by someone who uses your desperation to take everything from you. Such greed without concern for people and their welfare is what angers God so deeply. <<


GLT) 6 Shall not all of these lift up a parable against him. and a mocking riddle to him, and say, Woe to him who
             increases what is not his! How long, then, shall he load the pledges on himself?
JB)    6 On him, will not all men make satires, and turn an epigram against him? They will say: Trouble is coming to the man who
             amasses goods that are not his, (for how long?) and loads himself with pledges.

>> In 7, the many who have been abused by the "Chaldeans" rise up in the end to repay Babylon for her cruelty and greed. JB says "creditors," but debtors would be far more correct, for all are debtors to these Chaldeans. The GLT is fairly precise and correct here. Now recall in Revelation that Babylon is turned on by the nations on whose backs she rode and they destroyed her. We have the very same scenario here. More verification that the Chaldeans and Babylon the Great are one in the same and that this is a prophetic symbol and not the literal Chaldeans of Habakkuk's day.  <<

GLT) 7 Shall not those who strike you rise up suddenly, and those who shake you be aroused, and you become a prize to him?
JB)    7 Will not your creditors suddenly rise, will not your duns awake? Then you will be their victim.

GLT) 8 Because you have plundered many nations, all the rest of the people shall plunder you,
            because of the blood of men and the violence of the land, and the city, and all those dwelling in it.
JB)    8 Since you have plundered many nations, all that remains of the peoples will plunder you;
            for you have shed men's blood and ravished the country, the city and all who live in it.

>> 8 above: This is the exact same sentiment of Revelation in regards to Babylon. As they say, payback is a bitch. But let me also make this clear. Christians are to have no part in this. It will be for the nations and people who do not obey God but used to obey Babylon and its world government of Revelation 13. As well, note the 1st instance of the phrase I mentioned as appearing twice in bold face. Even as Revelation said that they were responsible for all the blood in the earth, so here also men's blood and a complete ravishing of the entire world and everything in it. Babylon has been very cruel and greedy. <<

>> 2nd woe in 9. He robs unjustly for his own house to make it high and very elaborate, a regular mansion or maybe even 7 or 8 mansions all over the world, right? And he sets his house on high as a fefensive measure so that he will not also be robbed or attacked. He knows there are plenty who would like to do this. He disregards the command to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He does not like being robbed but he does not mind robbing you or I, right? <<


GLT) 9 Woe to him who robs evil booty for his house, to set his nest on high, to be delivered from the hand of evil!
JB)    9 Trouble is coming to the man who grossly exploits others for the sake of his House, to fix his nest on high and so evade the hand of misfortune.

>> 10-11 points out a goal of "You/he" being addressed. To make an end to many peoples. Again, it sounds so much like Revelation 6 and 16-19 where so much blood is spilled and so many die as in Revelation 6 with the march of the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse. And in committing all this blood shed, "he brings great shame to his house and family line, bringing it to an end, really, when we also consider Revelation's foretelling of the fate of Babylon in Revelation 16-19. His "house" cries out against him, the stones and wood making the accusations and cries of guilt and shame. <<

GLT) 10 You have advised shame for your house, to make an end of many peoples, and are sinning in your soul.
JB)    10 You have contrived to bring shame on your House; by making an end of many peoples you have worked your own ruin.

GLT) 11 For the stone shall cry out from the wall, and the beam shall answer it from the wood.
JB)    11 For the stone from the very walls cries out, and the beam responds from the framework.

>> 12 begins the 3rd woe/warning. He who builds a town with blood and a city with evil, corruption, and other criminal actions. Such foundations will not stand or last. In 13, it was not and is not God's will that people exist only to build and then have it burned. Nations are weary from building for nothing, having it all destroyed after. But the cause of all this fruitless vanity will pay for their endless and unnecessary destruction of the nations of the earth for benefit only of these who want to rule the world for only their won selfish benefit. <<

GLT) 12 Woe to him who builds a town with blood and establishes a city by iniquity!
JB)    12 Trouble is coming to the man who builds a town with blood and founds a city on crime.

GLT) 13 Behold, is it not for Jehovah of hosts that the people labor only for fire? Yea, nations weary themselves only for vanity.
JB)    13 Is it not the will of Yahweh Sabaoth that the laboring of peoples should end in fire, and the toiling of nations come to nothing?

GLT) 14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.
JB)    14 For the country shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Yahweh as the waters swell the sea.

>> 14 is a perfect quote of Isaiah 11:9 which I will display for you along with some that are related. The time is yet but is coming, when all the earth will be filled with the knowledge of God, Jehovah by name. God will not tolerate the world conquerors much longer. He will eliminate them and then all show know God everywhere. <<

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not do evil, nor destroy in all My holy mountain.
                 For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

Hosea       6:   6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Numbers 14: 21 but as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of Jehovah;
Proverbs   9: 10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the Holy Ones is understanding.

>> Now the 4th woe comes. The "man," the bad guy, gets his neighbor drunk either for humiliation or to deride him or maybe there is some sexual suggestion of getting used. The root word is not much help, which indicates being exposed or laid bare, almost as if in shame.  But it is not for any good or upright reason that he gets his neighbor drunk. He will pay for his "sport" and mocking. Verse 16 indicates that it is for shame and disgrace that the neighbor is gotten drunk. <<

GLT) 15 Woe to him who causes his friend to drink, pouring out your wineskin, and also making him drunk, so as to look upon their nakedness!
JB)    15 Trouble is coming to the man who makes his neighbors drink, who pours his poison until they are drunk, to look at their nakedness.
KJV) 15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest your bottle to him, and makest him drunken also,
               that thou mayest look on their nakedness! <(4589)
>>
4589 rwem maowr maw-ore
from 5783; n m;
In the KJV as - nakedness 1; 1

5783 rwe uwr oor
a primitive root; v;
In the KJV as - naked 1; 1
1) (Niphal) to be exposed, be bared, be laid bare
<<

>> 16 continues the ideas of 15. Just as he shames others for sport, the same shall happen to him, and he will be seen as uncircumcised. Chaldeans were uncircumcised but I suspect this instance indicates the bad heart of he who on the outside, physically, is circumcised but not circumcised in heart. Regardless, he who is a/the Chaldean will get his and be mocked and humiliated even as he once did to others. What comes around goes around, they say. Ironic justice! These last 3 verses  are of the very same sentiment as the entire chapter 18 of Revelation. The payback is merited due to the sins of the Chaldeans of Babylon the Great, the whore of all whores. <<

GLT) 16 You are filled with shame instead of glory; you drink also, and will be seen as uncircumcised.
               The cup of the right hand of Jehovah shall turn on you, and disgrace shall be your glory.
JB)    16 You are drunk with ignominy, not with glory. Your turn now to drink and show your foreskin.
               The cup from Yahweh's right hand comes around to you, and disgrace will overshadow your glory.

>> 17 begins with the 2nd time the phrase I bold faced to highlight, appears. This is nearly the same words and certainly the same sentiment as Revelation 17:6 or 18:24 and Jeremiah 51:49. <<

GLT) 17 For the violence of Lebanon shall cover you, and the ruin of beasts shall terrify them
               because of the blood of men and the violence of the land, the city, and all those dwelling in it.
JB)    17 For the violence done to Lebanon is going to overwhelm you, so will the slaughter of terrified beasts,
               for you have shed men's blood and ravished the country, the city and all who live in it.

>> You'll also find sentiments every bit as similar in the previous sections with those of the next 2 verses, 18-19. In 19, we have the 4th woe listed, this one dealing with idolatry and pagan worship. <<

GLT) 18 What does an image profit, for its maker has carved it; a molten image, and a teacher of falsehood?
               For does the maker trust in his work on it, to make mute idols?
JB)    18 What is the use of a carved image, or for its maker to carve it at all? It is a thing of metal, a lying oracle.
              What is the use of its maker trusting this and fashioning dumb idols?

GLT) 19 Woe to him who says to the wood, Awake! To a mute stone, Rise up, it shall teach!
               Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, but no breath is in its midst.
JB)    19 Trouble is coming to the man who says to the piece of wood, "Wake up!" to the dumb stone, "On your feet!" (And that is the oracle.)
               Plated it may be with gold and silver, but not a breath of life inside it.

GLT) 20 But Jehovah is in His holy temple; let all the earth be silent before Him.
JB)    20 But Yahweh is in his holy Temple : let the whole earth be silent before him.

>> Chapter 2 concludes that God is going to fix and make up for everything in time. He is in His holy temple so let no one gripe and let all be silent before Him. He does know what is going on. <<


Habakkuk 3: 1-5
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>> Tracking the trail of translators is always interesting. All 3 of these are somewhat different. 7692 shiggawyone, is uncertain in meaning. Its been guessed as a term used by musicians, of which there are a few terms to be found primarily in the Psalms. It is a reasonable estimate of meaning. The KJV just uses the word without translating or guessing at all. JB assumes it to indicate a dirge, a sad mournful song. It might be, it could be. GLT assumes a primitive root word, 7686 shagah, which might have something to do with the meaning, but really, we don't know and none of these is unreasonable. But luckily for us, the word is not likely to have a serious impact on the overall meaning. <<

GLT) 1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet concerning erring ones: <(7692)
JB)    
1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet; tone as for dirges. <(7692)
KJV) 1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth. <(7692)
>>
7692
Nwygv shiggayown shig-gaw-yone or hnygv shiggayonah shig-gaw-yo-naw
from 7686 ; ; n pr m
KJV shows: - Shiggaion 1, Shigionoth 1; 2
   1) song?
        1a) used in title of #Ps 7:1
        1b) meaning doubtful 

7686 hgv shagah shaw-gaw   -   a primitive root; v;
KJV shows: - err 11, ravished 2, wander 3, deceiver 1, cause to go astray 1, sin through ignorance 1, go astray 1, deceived 1;
21
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GLT) 2 Jehovah, I have heard Your report; I am afraid, <(3372) Jehovah. Give new life to Your work in the midst of years, <(8141)
             in the midst of years make known; in anger remember compassion.
JB)     2 Yahweh, I have heard of your renown, your work, Yahweh, inspires me with dread. Repeat it in our own time,
             reveal it in our time. For all your wrath, remember to be merciful.
>>
3372 ary yare yaw-ray
AV-fear 188, afraid 78, terrible 23, terrible thing 6, dreadful 5, reverence 3, fearful 2, terrible acts 1, misc 8; 314

<<
>> 3372 Fear or dread are proper interpretations. 8141 is usually years in Hebrew but can be an unspecified time. The prayer of Habakkuk is that God's message is a bit on the scary side, so he pleads that God might also remember mercy and compassion to temper and balance justice. Now here is the irony. Judah is punished and then the Chaldeans likewise. We would assume it is for Judah that Habakkuk is concerned. Likewise, concerning God's people in the last days, many so called Christians have been unfaithful and will likely be judged severely for not getting out of Babylon the Great. So the prayer would be that God would show some mercy for those who were faithful, relatively speaking and not be too harsh on what is considered "faithful" or not. Sounds good to me. <<

GLT) 3 God <(433) comes from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran . Selah. His majesty covers <(3680) the heavens, and His praise fills the earth.
JB)     3 Eloah is coming from Ternan, and the Holy One from Mount Paran . His majesty veils the heavens, the earth is filled with his glory.

>> 433 hwla elowahh el-o- ah rarely (shortened) hla eloahh el-o- ah
probably prolonged (emphat.) from 410
la el ale ; n m;
KJV says: - God 52, god 5; 57

>> Eloah is a word for God, a prolonged emphatic form it would seem. So God and Eloah are the same thing. El is more typical for God or even Elohim. <<

3680 hok kacah kaw-saw  --   a primitive root; v;
KJV says: - cover 135, hide 6, conceal 4, covering 2, overwhelmed 2, clad 1, closed 1, clothed 1; 152 <<

>> Given that 3 is describing the marvel of God's manifestations, "cover" in verse 3 as in spreading out and filling up, radiating, then cover is correct. Veil is wrong. God's greatness is not hidden.
Also in 4, rays seems most likely, given that light was used just previously. God's overall brightness is also reflected in it coming out of His hands. <<

GLT) 4 And His brightness is as the light; rays <(7161) from His hand are His, and there was a covering of His strength.
JB)     4 His brightness is like the day, rays flash from his hands, that is where his power lies hidden.
KJV) 4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns <(7161) coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding <(2253) of his power.

7161 Nrq qeren keh- ren - from 7160;
KJV says: - horn 75, hill 1; 76
n f
1) horn

continued on right >>>
1a) horn
1b) of strength (fig)
1c) flask (container for oil)
1d) horn (as musical instrument)
1e) horn (of horn-like projections on the altar)
1f) of rays of light
1g) hill

> > 2253 Nwybx chebyown kheb-yone
KJV says - hiding 1; 1
1) concealment, covering, hiding, hiding place
<<

>> As well in verse 4, 2253 chebyown, indicates hiding or covering His power or strength or holding it back, so to speak. Despite His obvious brilliance and majesty that are so easy to behold in the sky day or night, there is a contrast as He seems to keep His power and ability to act hidden away. Habakkuk wonders if God will step in and do something, not letting the Chaldeans forever punish Judah, God's people. It could also be that we are to understand that God's power is concealed (originates) within the heavens where His radiance shines forth. <<

GLT) 5 A plague goes before Him, and lightning went forth at His feet.
JB)    5 Plague goes in front of him, fever follows on his heels.
KJV) 5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals <(7565) went forth at his feet.

7565 Pvr resheph reh- shef  -- from 8313; n m;
KJV say - coals 2, burning coals 1, burning heat 1,
spark 1, arrow 1, hot thunderbolt 1; 7
1) flame, firebolt, spark
     1a) flame
     1b) fire-bolt

>> Verse 5 can be explained. 7565 resheph - indicates what I would call a burning hot radiation of glowing or light. JB focuses more on the heat aspect but I believe it is the light or glowing aspect we are to take from this. Does lightning strike beneath, or a heat wave and drought? Or is it that the plague or pestilence goes forth like heat or lightning? I do not have a definitive answer but it is likely not good. It seems that His power and judgment can be fierce, would be the message we are to understand. <<


Habakkuk 3: 6-19
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>> Here in 6 is a description of God being vey powerful and certainly completely in control at all times. Nothing escapes His notice and care. This reinforces that He will not forever allow the "Chaldeans" to mercilessly prey on "Judah" or "Israel." <<


GLT) 6 He stood and measured the earth; He looked and shook nations; and the ancient mountains were shattered;
             the eternal hills bowed down. The goings of eternity are His.
JB)     6
When he stands up he makes the earth tremble, with his glance he makes the nations quake. Then the ancient mountains are dislodged, the everlasting hills sink down, his pathway from of old.

GLT) 7 I saw the tents of Cushan under calamity; the curtains of the land of Midian trembled.
JB)    
7 I have seen the tents of Cushan terrified, the pavilions of the land of Midian shuddering.

>> In 7, Midian was below Edom and far south of Israel, going south toward Egypt. Cushan was likely in Midian. Recall that Jethro and his daughter, who became the wife of Moses, was a Cushite. So Jehovah, the God is Israel, comes in from the south (to north) like a storm and an earthquake. Nothing stands against Him. <<

GLT) 8 Did Jehovah burn against rivers? Or was Your anger against the rivers? Or Your fury against the sea?
             For You ride on horses; Your chariots of salvation.
JB)    
8 Yahweh, is your anger blazing against the rivers, or your fury against the sea, that you come mounted on your horses, on your victorious chariots?

GLT) 9 You bare Your bow, naked according to the oaths of the rods of Your word. Selah. You have cut through the earth with rivers.
JB)    
9 You uncover your bow, you ply its string with arrows. You trench the soil with torrents;

>> 8-9: God seems to scare or frighten the rivers, the sea. God comes storming at them like an army of horses, chariots, bows and arrows. Habakkuk seems to wonder if God is mad at them or something. Today we might say that God had a real "attitude." Damn right! <<

GLT) 10 They saw You; mountains trembled. The storm of water passed over. The deep gave its voice and lifted up its hands on high.
JB)    
10 the mountains shiver when they see you; great floods sweep on their way, the abyss roars aloud, high it lifts its hands.

>> It is noted in the Jerusalem Bible that the "deep" refers to the same deep mentioned in Genesis 7:11 "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. " The description in 10 is meant to recall the flood that swept over the face of the earth. I completely agree. There are a number of descriptions in 6-17 that can be found in other places in the Bible prophets. In 10, the storm of water passes over even as it did during the flood of Noah. The deep springs of water came up from the earth to mix with the oceans and seas and overwhelm the earth. It was a frightful time then and as being described involving the Chaldeans and God's people. One does not want to get God angry. Kind of obvious, right? <<

GLT) 11 The sun and moon stood still in their dwelling. At the light of Your arrows they go, at the shining of Your gleaming spear.
JB)    
11 Sun and moon stay in their houses, avoiding the flash of your arrows, the gleam of your glittering spear.

>> Even the sun and moon fear God and stand still in fear of Him and His arrows and spears, so to speak. Obviously this is figurative language as it has been all along. Learning these literary techniques help us to decipher these hidden messages meant for us to alert us to dangerous situations we might not be otherwise aware of. God does not want us to be caught off guard by surprise. He desires to notify us before hand.

But take careful note that it is evident in 12 that Jehovah is now fighting on behalf of His people, rather than punishing them, and He attacks the nations. Wait, weren't the nations abused by the Chaldeans? Wasn't God using the Chaldeans to punish even Judah? He was! But now it has changed. Enough is enough, right? Now it is Babylon's turn to suffer even as it caused others to suffer. In 13, God saves His people, His anointed, and strikes the wicked who oppress God's people. <<


GLT) 12 You march into the land in fury. You thresh nations in anger.
JB)    
12 Raging, you stride the earth, in anger you trample the nations.

GLT) 13 You went forth for the salvation of Your people, for the salvation of Your anointed. You struck the head from the house of the wicked
               to bare the foundation to the neck. Selah.
JB)    13 You have marched to save your people, to save your own anointed; you have beaten down the wicked man's house,
               bared its foundations to the rock.

>> This attack by God is meant for all the nations and all the wicked. This sounds like the big Judgment Day, Armageddon, doesn't it? <<

GLT) 14 You pierced the head of his warriors with his shafts. They rush to scatter me;
               their rejoicing is to devour the meek in a secret place.
JB)   
14 With your shafts you have pierced the leader of his warriors who stormed out with shouts of joy to scatter us,
               as if they meant to devour some poor wretch in their lair.
KJV  14 Thou didst strike through with his staves <(4294) the head of his villages: <(6518) they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me:
               their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly.


>> 4294 hjm matteh mat-teh or (fem.) hjm mattah mat-taw
KJV says: - tribe 182, rod 52, staff 15, staves 1, tribe + 04294 1; 251

6518 zrp paraz paw-rawz
from an unused root meaning to separate, i.e. decide; n m;
KJV says: - villages 1; 1
1) chieftain, leader, warrior - 1a) meaning dubious <<

>> Regarding 14 above, The warriors were eager to devour the meek/poor in a secret place, one perhaps out of the sight of the world. Hmmm, are they ashamed and don't want anyone to know about their hideous little escapades? Just asking! This one is a challenge to decipher. Possibly the tribes acting as a rod, so to speak, take out the head village and then come for God's people. This sounds a lot like the attack of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 as well. Perhaps the nations strike the Chaldeans/Babylon or even the head of it all, the antichrist, and then attempt an attack on God's people as well. It is this all correct, it matches up perfectly with the other prophetic accounts. But for sure, God's people are surrounded for destruction but it will fail and God and His people will triumph by the hand of God and not God's people. This salvation is to be exclusively God's and testing all God's people for obedience and faith in Him. <<

GLT) 15 You trod in the sea with Your horses, the foaming of many waters.
JB)   
15 You have trampled the sea with your horses, the surge of great waters.

GLT) 16 I heard, and my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the sound. Rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled within myself
               that I might rest for the day of distress; to come up against the peoples; he cuts him off.
JB)   
16 I have heard. My whole body trembles, my lips quiver at the sound; decay creeps into my bones, my steps falter beneath me.
               Calmly I await the day of anguish which is dawning on the people now attacking us.

>> 16 is describing Judgment Day, Armageddon! Habakkuk is most disturbed and frightened by this vision. He fears for his future people/brethren. This had been a vision of Judah being punished and the nations suffering. Then the Chaldeans get their due and then the nations seem to dish out that due and they also attempt to strike God's people but they too, get judged. This scenario could not possibly fit in the time of Babylon from 587 BC to 537 BC or near to it. This can only make sense as being a repeat of the clear scenario described in all the other end time prophecies concerning God's people and God's, and His people's, enemies. << We are most definitely in the final judgment and it is a vision that is cloaked and clothed in mysterious figures of the Judah and Babylon time of Jeremiah during and later, Ezra upon Judah's return to Jerusalem/Judea. <<

GLT) 17 Though the fig tree shall not blossom, and fruit is not on the vines; the work of the olive fails, and the fields make no food;
               the flock is cut off from the fold, and no herd is in the stalls,
JB)   
17 (For the fig tree is not going to blossom, nor will there be any fruit on the vine, the yield of the olive will fail, the fields afford no food;
               the sheep will vanish from the fold, nor will there be any cattle in the stalls.)

GLT) 18 yet I will exult in Jehovah; I will rejoice in the God of my salvation.
JB)   
18 But I will rejoice in Yahweh, I will exult in God my savior.

>> All the things in 17 are extreme in a negative way, despite them all, if they were to happen, Habakkuk would still praise and rejoice in God and His salvation. Habakkuk recognizes the happy great outcome. Yes, it seems horrifying and terrible what God's people must one day soon face. But it will turn out for the better, no matter how bleak it looks at the time. It certainly will be a test of faith but anyone exercising that faith and trust will be greatly rewarded and not disappointed at all. <<

GLT) 19 Jehovah the Lord is my might, and He sets my feet like hinds feet, and He will make me to walk on my high places.
               To the chief singer, on my stringed instruments.
JB)   
19 Yahweh my Lord is my strength, he makes my feet as light as a doe's, he sets my steps on the heights.
               For the choirmaster; on stringed instruments.

>> While Habakkuk fears and trembles at this fearsome vision, much like when John was given a scroll in Revelation to eat, it was sweet but in his belly, very bitter, indeed! Many prophets described fear and dread. Habakkuk gives the same sorts of visions, of course, because that is what God gave him, but God chose as He did so that we would understand that this vision applied to the last days and the final judgment. This is important because some things are said that could confuse us and were intended to confuse God's enemies. So we who are allowed understanding at the end times can tell this outwardly and openly and still not be believed. Imagine that! <<


More on Habakkuk
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I am switching to black regular text now since the book of Habakkuk has been finished.

We also observe the instruction to the one who oversees the music and singers, regarding stringed instruments as well. This is how we know this was set to music, like so many of the Psalms. So we know that 3:1 which mentions a prayer, was indeed, set to music in some way. We see Selah in a few places which can also be seen in the Psalms, which were also songs. The Psalms are a collection of songs, whose purpose was to worship God and communicate for Him to us, even as the rest of the Bible does. Music was a significant part of that worship, even as music is a significant part of human behavior, anyway. It is no less so with God. Music is a very powerful medium to deliver a very powerful message. We can only wonder that the music that accompanied this amazing message of both fear, triumph, and salvation.

But more importantly, note how the symbols and figures throughout Habakkuk are so much like all the other visions and prophecies that have been covered in this article on Babylon the Great. It is rather remarkable at how strongly this scenario has been promoted by so many prophets and visions. God is really hammering it home to us. This only makes the vision more certain and more important. God does not want us to doubt and also does not want us to fear, though it would be natural to do so. This is why He has repeated this message and pattern so many times, so emphatically.

As well, I believe it would be very much in the interests of any reader to carefully read Joel and Zephaniah. These 2 books are only 3 chapters, just like Habakkuk. And they even more clearly refer to the last day, the big day of Judgment, the final showdown. They are very prophetic but not aimed at Babylon specifically but in a more broad sense toward the time of great judgment to come upon the whole earth. Yet within both of them are many similarities to Habakkuk in some places.

I believe Joel and Zephaniah were given so that they might be tied to Habakkuk, so that we might discern that Habakkuk also deals with the end time and Judgment, so that we might also discern that the Chaldeans are none other than Babylon the Great, perhaps the most prominent symbol in all prophecy. It is a challenge to attempt to decipher the words of God, but God did not put it out of, or beyond our reach. It was His intention that we "get it!" He just wanted to make sure no one else did and that we put forth the diligent effort to understand it all.

At the time we live in now, the pieces have all fallen into place, the scriptures, the events they foretold, the early Christian elder/bishop writers and all the necessary tools and circumstances to enable success to those deserving. But let us not take this lightly. Let everyone act with great haste and urgency to fully grasp this critical message at a critical time. We are soon to face a great trial and testing of our faith and we must be ready.

As well, I boldly brag how negative and unappealing, to most who call themselves Christians, my message truly is. For only I have the guts (or stupidity if you prefer) to tell the whole truth and risk alienation from most people. It is not important for me to have followers or praise. I would like to see people save their own hides but at the least, I need to tell the truth so that I cleanse my hands of any blood guilt, should anyone ignore me. 

Most who write or preach barely mention what will really happen in any detail, for if they did, they might risk exposing who is behind the attack soon to come upon us, even without specifically identifying their modern day identity. as well, they might risk offending the guilty party, who will see it as an attack and a threat. But I have addressed all the details and though I have not pointed out who exactly is identified in our day, you can bet they know me and do not like me. I guarantee it!

I would rather leave that to God's spirit; and as Jesus said, "let it happen according to your faith." If you have the true faith, your eyes will see the message and who it points at. Though it might be of some boasting merit, I do not bother to say what has happened to me since 2004 when I first published the interpretation of the prophecies. Indeed, were I to tell you, you would not believe, anyway, even as Habakkuk declared in 1:5. Further, I do not regret anything that has happened to me. I rejoice at it all.

I simply say to all, be sure to read everything on this site on prophecy and give it very careful thought and consideration. Your life will depend on it. You can take that to the bank or bet your first born's life on it!

I am completely unaware of anyone else anywhere, who has ever discerned Habakkuk as referring yet again to Babylon (the Great) in our day. For all who have copied from me (though not nearly enough) or gathered a small portion of understanding from what I have written and then claimed it was all their own direct inspiration, how come not one of you/them has recognized Habakkuk for what he has foretold? I have read only of only about 2 who even recognize Babylon as being an important symbol in the last final days as the enemy of God's people and God. And just 1 who says it will portend some persecution for Christians, which is putting it very mildly, and he avoided any detail on Babylon the Great, of course. So connecting the visions of Habakkuk with Babylon the Great was mine alone, here in June 2010.



Habakkuk According to Others
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"An early rabbinic tradition speculated that Habakkuk was the son of the Shunammite woman who lived in the days of Elisha and King Jehoram of Israel (852-841 B.C.; cf. 2 Kings 4:16)," according to http://bible.org/seriespage/habakkuk
Perhaps the latter suggestion has the most to commend it, particularly if it can be demonstrated that both Zephaniah and Jeremiah knew and utilized Habakkuks prophecy (cf. Hab. 1:8 with Jer. 4:13; 5:6; Hab. 2:10 with Jer. 51:58; Hab. 2:12 with Jer. 22:13-17; Hab. 2:20 with Zeph. 1:7).
>> This was a good source for some background information in the book of Habakkuk.

Several sources have identified Habakkuk as a Levite, one being early rabbinical tradition. Habakkuks book has also had commentary found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, which I have been working on as having valuable information for us in our time. Much of the analyses of the grammatical structure of the text indicates a time much earlier than say, Jeremiah, according to scholars of ancient Hebrew. But keep in mind that this was set to music so that grammar rules might have been played with and stretched, even as we do in music today.

Wikipedia says: What is even more significant than the commentary in the pesher is the quoted text of Habakkuk itself. The divergences between the Hebrew text of the scroll and the standard Masoretic Text is startlingly minimal. The biggest differences are word order, small grammatical variations, addition or omission of conjunctions, and spelling variations, but these are small enough to not to damage the meaning of the text (Harris 1966: 22-30).


I have been working on the Dead Sea Scrolls texts, since I believe they have some revolutionary information to deliver to us, yet perhaps another avenue God intended to reach us to fill in more pieces of the puzzle and further enlighten us in understanding. The book of Habakkuk in the Dead Sea Scrolls contains some of the 1st 2 chapters with much of the commentary in tact. We do not know who exactly wrote these texts, but from the language and style, I assure you that it must have been a group who did not approve of Israel/Judah and their conduct and saw them as meriting judgment even as Jesus and John the Baptist did.

They also seemed to understand the prophetic symbolism of the scriptures of prophecy and in the case of Habakkuk, understood the book as applying to people in general for proper behavior to avoid judgment, but also in it being a vision of the last days. This group was very prophecy minded and they saw parallels in their day as well as the distant future. I recommend buying:
The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls In English - by Geza Vermes. This is a collection of everything ever discovered in the caves near Qumran. Habakkuk was in Cave 1 in the very first discoveries and was published soon after in 1950. Its been around a while, unlike some that sat around for many years before being released. I thought I would give a few examples of the view point of those who wrote the scrolls. DSS stands for Dead Sea Scrolls.

DSS on Habakkuk 1
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These 2 chapters of Habakkuk from the Dead Sea Scrolls come from
The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls In English - by Geza Vermes, all rights reserved as a copyrighted work. Page numbers are given. I use these to comment on under the fair usage law, allowed in copyright law. I personally own a copy of this book. Numbers in brackets indicate the line numbers of the scrolls from which translations were made. Words and phrases in brackets are assumed since they are scriptures known from other sources.

From page 478:

Scripture: [10] [ So the law is weak [and justice never goes forth] (
1:4ab).
Commentary: [Interpreted] this concerns those who have despised the Law of God

>> Who ever despised the law must also know it and they were of the opinion that the Jews of their day also despised it. That both John and Jesus were killed would seem to confirm this. But there is room for others who do not know God to despise it as well. In the next comment, they see some parallels with the wicked Jews of their day, the Wicked Priest in particular and they mention the Teacher of Righteousness, who can only be, as far as I am concerned, Jesus or John. You'll see why next page just below. <<

Scripture: [For the wicked encompasses] the righteous] (
1: 4c).
Commentary: [The wicked is the Wicked Priest, and the righteous] is the Teacher of Righteousness ...

From page 479: >> I find this next one remarkable. <<

Scripture: [So] justice goes forth [perverted] (i, 4d).
Scripture:
[Behold the nations and see, marvel and be astonished; for I accomplish a deed [ 15] in your days, but you will not believe it when] II told (i, 5).

Commentary: [Interpreted, this concerns] those who were unfaithful together with the Liar, in that they [did] not [listen to the word received by] the Teacher of Righteousness from the mouth of God. And it concerns the unfaithful of the New [Covenant] in that they have not believed in the Covenant of God [and have profaned] His holy Name. And likewise, this saying is to be interpreted [as concerning those who] will be unfaithful at the end of [5] days. They, the men of violence and the breakers of the Covenant, will not believe when they hear all that [is to happen to] the final generation from the Priest [in whose heart] God set [understanding] that he might interpret all the words of His servants the Prophets, through whom He foretold all that would happen to His people and [His land].

>> Now let me make this very clear. This scroll is said to be about 30 BC to 1 BC. RadioCarbon dating says 120 BC-5 BC. That dating could be off slightly and contaminated as well. To quote Finkelstein, an Israeli scholar, replying to Shanks in BAR magazine one time: "That (radioncarbon date) means absolutely nothing." But now I am going to challenge both the assume date and the RadioCarbon date. The writer, whoever he was, was well aware of the New Covenant. Oh, I guess that's not too relevant, huh? Yah, sure, and I am Jesus Christ incarnate, too. That "they have not believed in the Covenant of God" may be an indication of the rejection of the New Covenant and of Jesus. When you come to chapter 2 of the DSS, you will see what I believe is convincing evidence that the Teacher of Righteousness is Jesus, covered on page 482. What this means is that this scroll and many like it must have been written at or after 29 AD when Jesus and John commenced their preaching.

I should not be surprised if there was not a concerted effort to cover up who really wrote the DSS and when they did it and what those scrolls meant. Maybe that is why they just let most of the scrolls sit without working on them for so many years. They knew what they would find and wanted to just let is sit in obscurity. Yes, I am suggesting a conspiracy!

But as well, they clearly recognized this applying more fully to the end of days. Oh, knock me over with a feather. But it gets better. The men of violence, and that is the Chaldeans, boys and girls, are also said to be "breakers of the Covenant" who will not believe the interpretation of all that is to happen "the final generation" "from the Priest [in whose heart] God set [understanding] that he might interpret all the words of His servants the Prophets." So they understood that there was going to be at least one voice telling the truth of the prophets and their visions and perhaps even Jews of this time would not listen to these, even as Habakkuk indicates. But neither would nearly anyone in the world listen. But the writer seems to believe that perhaps Jews are also part of this last days vision, even as they had been addressed by Habakkuk way back when. <<


Scripture: For behold, I rouse the Chaldeans, that [bitter and hasty] nation (1:6a).     [10]
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Kittim [who are] quick and valiant in war, causing many to perish. [All the world shall fall] under the dominion of the Kittim, and the [wicked ... ] they shall not believe in the laws of [God ... ]

>> The writer calls the Chaldeans the Kittim. Babylon may well have taken over Kittim in their time, considered the isle of Cyprus, long the home of the original Kittim, descendants of Javan, who comes from Noah's son, Japheth. The Kittim are mentioned quite often in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Or that the writer is applying this to the Kittim in the last days, the Kittim were used as being symbolic of the nations who were enemies of God and His people. Daniel mentions the Kittim of the King of the South as upsetting the King of the North in a naval battle in the last days. Perhaps they picked this term due to Daniel and his timing. But the writer did understand that literal Babylon was not going to be the enemy in the end days. The Kittim would be in control of the whole world says the writer. The Bible says Babylon would be and I think it very likely that the writer understood this. And none shall believe in the laws of God. That's an understatement. <<

Scripture: They are fearsome and terrible; their justice and grandeur proceed from themselves (i, 7).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Kittim who inspire all the nations with fear [and dread]. All their evil plotting is done with intention and they [5] deal with all the nations in cunning and guile.

>> It has been the opinion of most that the Kittim were referring to Rome, given the supposed time of the writing of the scrolls but I don't know about that. I believe the writer is looking to the far future and so scholars are not even in the right ball park, so to speak. "All their evil plotting is done with intention." Quite deliberate! They are treacherous with all the nations, using cunning and guile to mislead and overtake, perhaps pretending to be righteous and noble, ever as most nations do, today, even though they are despicable to anyone with any brains. The writer certainly is not blind to their deceit. <<

Scripture: Their horses are swifter than leopards and fleeter than evening wolves. Their horses step forward proudly and spread their wings; they fly from afar like an eagle avid to devour. All of them come for violence; the look on their faces is like the east wind (i, 8-9a).
From page 480:

Commentary: [10] [Interpreted, this] concerns the Kittim who trample the earth with their horses and beasts. They come from afar, from the islands of the sea, to devour all the peoples like an eagle which cannot be satisfied, and they address [all the peoples] with anger and [wrath and fury] and indignation. For it is as He said, The look on their faces is like the east wind.
[They heap up] captives [like sand]
(i, 9b).
IV They scoff [at kings], and princes are their laughing-stock (i, ma)
. Interpreted, this means that they mock the great and despise the venerable; they ridicule kings and princes and scoff at the mighty host.

>> The Kittim are said to come from afar, perhaps in the east, and the islands of the sea. Kittim had always plied the waters of the Mediterranean and perhaps well beyond that to the east. I have come across a source who said the Kittim were China. But I can not confirm that. The Chinese were a great shipping and sailing nation in the SE of the Asian Pacific from time immemorial. But the writer refers to the last days. The Kittim respect no one and laugh at all. <<

Scripture: They laugh at every fortress; they pile up earth and take it (i, 10b).
Commentary: [5]  Interpreted, this concerns the commanders of the Kittim who despise the fortresses of the peoples and laugh at them in derision. To capture them, they encircle them with a mighty host, and out of fear and terror they deliver themselves into their hands. They destroy them because of the sins of their inhabitants.

>> It seems at least possible that the writer suggests that the fortresses and people destroyed are deserving of it due to their sins. This is as I see it, too. <<

Scripture: The wind then sweeps on and passes; and they make of their strength their god (i, I I).
Commentary: [10] Interpreted, [this concerns] the commanders of the Kittim who, on the counsel of [the] House of Guilt, pass one in front of the other; one after another [their] commanders come to lay waste the earth. [And they make of their strength their god]: interpreted, this concerns [ all] the peoples ...

>> Interesting that the counsel comes from another symbol, the "House of Guilt." It is not clear if there was an intended identity or not. <<

Scripture: [Art Thou not from everlasting, 0 Lord, my God, my Holy One? We shall not die.] Thou hast ordained them, [0 Lord], for judgement; Thou hast established them, 0 Rock, for chastisement. Their eyes are too pure to behold evil; and Thou canst not look on distress (1:12-13a)

Commentary: Interpreted, this saying means that God will not destroy His people by the hand of the nations; God will execute the judgement of the nations by the hand of His elect. And through their chastisement all the [5] wicked of His people shall expiate their guilt who keep His commandments in their distress. For it is as he said, Too pure of eyes to behold evil: interpreted, this means that they have not lusted after their eyes during the age of wickedness.

>> I do differ a little on this one if I understand it right. God's people will not be destroyed. Those destined for judgment are the world in general. But not at the hand of the elect, if elect refers to all of God's people at that time. The elect taken to heaven might do that, but not those on earth. They are forbidden to do so. That both the good and evil are addressed is not distinguished as carefully here as we might like. But we have the Bible so we need not be ignorant. <<

From page 481:

Scripture: O traitors, why do you stare and stay silent when the wicked swallows up one more righteous than he? (i, 13b).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the House of Absalom and the members of 10 its council who were silent at the time of the chastisement of the Teacher of Righteousness and gave him no help against the Liar who flouted the Law in the midst of their whole [congregation].

>> In trying to determine whether the Teacher of Righteousness was John or Jesus, we can ask, which one seems to fit in this description above? I'll take a shot at it. We do not know if John received any punishment in his time but he was believed to be a prophet by all, excepting the Pharisees and the Priests, and Herod. The Pharisees were even afraid to bad-mouth John in front of the crowds. What is described seems to be a trial. Jesus was chastised and then crucified. Who exactly the liar is, is hard to say. The devil? Or someone prominent there? But my best guess would be Jesus by this account. But it is far from certain. But the writer does know of the New Covenant. <<

Scripture: Thou dealest with men like the fish of the sea, like creeping things, to rule over them. They draw [them all up with a fish-hook], and drag them out with their net, and gather them in [their seine. Therefore they sacrifice] to their net. Therefore they rejoice [and exult and burn incense to their seine; for by them] is their portion is fat [and their sustenance rich] (i, 14-16).
Commentary: ... VI the Kittim. And they shall gather in their riches, together with all their booty, like the fish of the sea. And as for that which He said, Therefore they sacrifice to their net and burn incense to their seine: interpreted, [5] this means that they sacrifice to their standards and worship their weapons of war. For through them their portion is fat and their sustenance rich: interpreted, this means that they divide their yoke and their tribute their sustenance over all the peoples year by year, ravaging many lands.

>> It sounds like the writer suggests the exacting of much tribute and taxes from the nations by the Kittim, who rule the world. It has the effect of ravaging lands and leaving them practically desolate. It would certainly fit in today, even as it did in Rome. <<

Scripture: Therefore their sword is ever drawn to massacre nations mercilessly (i, 17).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Kittim who cause many to perish by the 10 sword youths, grown men, the aged, women and children and who even take no pity on the fruit of the womb.

>> There is no mercy and much cruelty. We are in agreement. <<


DSS on Habakkuk 2
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Scripture: I will take my stand to watch and will station myself upon my fortress. I will watch to see what He will say to me and how [He will answer] my complaint. And the Lord answered [and said to me, 'Write down the vision and make it [15] plain] upon the tablets, that [he who reads] may read it speedily (2: 1-2).
Commentary: ... VII and God told Habakkuk to write down that which would happen to the final generation, but He did not make known to him when time would come to an end. And as for that which He said, That he who reads may read it speedily: interpreted this concerns the Teacher of Righteousness, to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of [5] His servants the Prophets.

>> Again, it is really very clear that this vision was for the last days, the final generation, whenever that may come. This description of the Teacher of Righteousness definitely seems to fit Jesus, since God made known all the mysteries known to this one. John could qualify but even he asked near the end of there was to be another. John had received much communication from God but it sounds more like Jesus to me. I could be wrong. I was not there. <<

From page 482:

Scripture: For there shall be yet another vision concerning the appointed time. It shall tell of the end and shall not lie (2: 3a).
Commentary: Interpreted, this means that the final age shall be prolonged, and shall exceed all that the Prophets have said; for the mysteries of God are astounding.

>> Well said! But since Habakkuk, many more prophetic visions have been given, most notable Jesus and the Apostles, the foremost being Revelation. <<

Scripture: [10] If it tarries, wait for it, for it shall surely come and shall not be late (2: 3b).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the men of truth who keep the Law, whose hands shall not slacken in the service of truth when the final age is prolonged. For all the ages of God reach their appointed end as he determines for them in the mysteries of His wisdom.

>> I have known many people who have given up waiting for God. They think the world is going to go on forever as is. Foolish people! It is soon to happen now but many are asleep like the foolish virgins who slept as the bridegroom came by. <<

Scripture: Behold, [his soul] is puffed up and is not upright (2:4a).
[15]
Interpreted, this means that [the wicked] shall double their guilt upon themselves [and it shall not be forgiven] when they are judged ...

Scripture: [But the righteous shall live by his faith] (2: 4b).
Commentary: VIII Interpreted, this concerns all those who observe the Law in the House of Judah, whom God will deliver from the House of Judgement because of their suffering and because of their faith in the Teacher of Righteousness.

>> There is a lot in this commentary. House of Judah, House of Judgement, and in chapter one, the House of Guilt. These seem to be ways of identifying Good and Bad, Right and Wrong. Judah being faithful and Judgement and Guilt being bad, of course. The DSS writers were very good at understanding and using figures and symbols in their language. This was a good way to communicate without being detected or understood. But this Judah is in the last days, the final generation, as the writer made clear earlier.

But perhaps more enlightening, is that this "House of Judah" in the last days, puts faith in . . . the Teacher of Righteousness. Putting faith in that would be above John. This must be Jesus as I had suspected in chapter one covering the Trial of the Teacher and the Liar. Faith in the Teacher? Who did the Teacher claim to be? Given the tendency for the Scroll writers to speak in lots of symbolic language, we should not be surprised that they use it so heavily, even to identify the Messiah. They have been well taught in the art of figurative symbolic "spiritual" language which Jesus was so well noted for. Given that the scrolls were likely written at Qumran, which is out in the wilderness, it could be quite likely that John the Baptist was out there teaching, as "a lone voice in the wilderness crying out to mend the ways, to repent." These would then follow Jesus when he came along, as John sent them to Jesus. <<

Scripture: Moreover, the arrogant man seizes wealth without halting. He widens his [5] gullet like Hell and like Death he has never enough. All the nations are gathered to him and all the peoples are assembled to him. Will they not all of them taunt him and jeer at him saying, 'Woe to him who amasses that which is not his! How long will he load himself up with pledges?' (2: 5-6).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Wicked Priest who was called by the [10] name of truth when he first arose. But when he ruled over Israel his heart became proud, and he forsook God and betrayed the precepts for the sake of riches. He robbed and amassed the riches of the men of violence who rebelled against God, and he took the wealth of the peoples, heaping sinful iniquity upon himself. And he lived in the ways of abominations amidst every unclean defilement.

>> I wonder if the Wicked Priest is also the Liar who at the trial of the "Teacher?" Caiaphas was the priest involved in getting Jesus crucified. But knowing so little about Caiaphas, I can not say anything much. While the writer applies this to someone of his day, perhaps, surely he has not abandoned the understanding that this prophecy applies primarily to the last days, the final generation. Jesus must be dead by this time and resurrected. Some still live in the wilderness or at least visit out there to hide these scrolls. <<

Scripture: Shall not your oppressors suddenly arise and your torturers awaken; and shall is you not become their prey? Because you have plundered many nations, all the remnant of the peoples shall plunder you (2: 7-8a).
Commentary: [Interpreted, this concerns] the Priest who rebelled [and violated] the
From page 483:
precepts [of God ... to command] IX his chastisement by means of the judgements of wickedness. And they inflicted horrors of evil diseases and took vengeance upon his body of flesh. And as for that which He said, Because you have plundered many nations, all the remnant of the peoples shall [5] plunder you: interpreted this concerns the last Priests of Jerusalem, who shall amass money and wealth by plundering the peoples. But in the last days, their riches and booty shall be delivered into the hands of the army of the Kittim, for it is they who shall be the remnant of the peoples.

>> The priests of Jesus' day must have been quite wicked and corrupt. After all, they did kill the son of God, did they not? But again, primary fulfillment waits for our day near the very end. It would also appear in the way they apply this at their time in a limited way, that the Kittim was applied to Rome, since that was the super power of the day. The priests would lose everything they had to Rome when Rome attacked in 66 and 70 AD. <<

Scripture: Because of the blood of men and the violence done to the land, to the city, and to all its inhabitants (ii, 8b).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Wicked Priest whom God delivered into the hands of his enemies because of the iniquity committed against the Teacher of Righteousness and the men of his Council, that he might [10] be humbled by means of a destroying scourge, in bitterness of soul, because he had done wickedly to His elect.

>> I am thinking this has got to be Caiaphas. And Jesus was surely killed by this time. The council, of the Teacher, I assume, would be the Apostles and other loyal followers, the elect. Caiaphas must have run into some serious trouble with some sort of disease or medical problem. Would love to know for sure. But I repeat yet again, this applies mostly to the last days. But I am sure the writer knows this. He wanted us to know some other things while he was at it. He always speaks in code. I like that!  <<

Scripture: Woe to him who gets evil profit for his house; who perches his nest high to be safe from the hand of evil! You have devised shame to your house: by cutting off many peoples you have forfeited your own soul. For the [stone] cries out [from] 15 the wall [and] the beam from the woodwork replies (ii, 9-11).
Commentary: [Interpreted, this] concerns the [Priest] who ... X that its stones might be laid in oppression and the beam of its woodwork in robbery. And as for that which He said, By cutting off many peoples you have forfeited your own soul: interpreted this concerns the condemned House whose judgement God will pronounce in the midst of many peoples. He will bring him thence for judgement and will declare him guilty in the midst of them, and will chastise him with fire of brimstone. [5]

>> The writer avoids the ultimate last days interpretation here as in some previous scriptures, but he knows we can handle it. But I note the chastisement he speaks of, with fire and brimstone. While those symbols are found in the Hebrew Old Testament, to me, they are much more profound in the NT, where Jesus refers to Gehenna and the Lake of fire also in Revelation and fire several times by the Apostles, such as Paul and Peter. So the writer seems to be NT oriented, knowing the New Covenant as he does. << 

Scripture: Woe to him who builds a city with blood and founds a town upon falsehood! Behold, is it not from the Lord of Hosts that the peoples shall labour for fire and the nations shall strive for naught? (ii, 12-13).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Spouter of Lies who led many astray that he might build his city of vanity with blood and raise a congregation [10] on deceit, causing many thereby to perform a service of vanity for the sake of its glory, and to be pregnant with [works] of deceit, that their labour might be for nothing and that they might be punished with fire who vilified and outraged the elect of God.

>> Herod carried out a very impressive set of build works in Jerusalem and in Caesarea. He rebuilt the temple into a very grand place. But Nero burnt a section of Rome so he could rebuild it and he blamed the fire on Christians. To risk making people sick with repetition, this applies to the final generation at the end. But the writer has also agreed to this elsewhere. He does give us some very interesting insights to be explored, if possible. <<

From page 484:

Scripture: For as the waters cover the sea, so shall the earth be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord (2: 14).
Commentary: [15] Interpreted, [this means that] when they return ... XI the lies. And
afterwards, knowledge shall be revealed to them abundantly, like the waters of the sea.  
>> Amen! <<

Scripture: Woe to him who causes his neighbours to drink; who pours out his venom to make them drunk that he may gaze on their feasts (2:1 5).
Commentary: [5] Interpreted, this concerns the Wicked Priest who pursued the Teacher of Righteousness to the house of his exile that he might confuse him with his venomous fury. And at the time appointed for rest, for the Day of Atonement, he appeared before them to confuse them, and to cause them to stumble on the Day of Fasting, their Sabbath of repose.

>> There are so many figures here that it is difficult for me, at least, to really be sure of many things. Is this the real day of Atonement, Pentecost? Were the disciples persecuted? But this applies to the future Chaldeans, in the main so we need not worry too much about what is written about. At least we see how heavily he uses figures and symbols in his writing. The technique shows us how Bible figures are given and interpreted even as the first 3 chapters of Revelation also make so clear. <<

Scripture: You have filled yourself with ignominy more than with glory. Drink also, and stagger! The cup of the Lord's right hand shall come round to you and 10 shame shall come on your glory (2: 16).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns the Priest whose ignominy was greater than his glory. For he did not circumcise the foreskin of his heart, and he walked in the ways of drunkenness that he might quench his thirst. But [15] the cup of the wrath of God shall confuse him, multiplying his ... and the pain of ...

>> He really had a grudge against the Priest, did he not? Can't blame him. The Priest seems to be held primarily responsible for the sacrifice offered in 33 AD, if you catch my drift. <<

Scripture: [For the violence done to Lebanon shall overwhelm you, and the destruction of the beasts] XII shall terrify you, because of the blood of men and the violence done to the land, the city, and all its inhabitants (2: 17).
Commentary: Interpreted, this saying concerns the Wicked Priest, inasmuch as he shall be paid the reward which he himself tendered to the Poor. For Lebanon is the Council of the Community; and the beasts are the simple of Judah [5] who keep the Law. As he himself plotted the destruction of the Poor, so will God condemn him to destruction. And as for that which He said, Because of the blood of the city and the violence done to the land: interpreted, the city is Jerusalem where the Wicked Priest committed abominable deeds and defiled the Temple of God . The violence done to the land: these are the cities of Judah where he robbed the Poor of their possessions.

>> The most interesting thing here is that the writer interprets some of the symbols for us, to some degree. The Council of the Community, of Christians, I assume. The simple of Judah, seen as simple for being "dumb" to follow the law of God. We are known as the "poor" as well. The Temple was indeed, defiled by the killing of Christ, the real "temple" if you will. As always, this has a much more profound application near our day.  But you knew that, right? This was an interesting way to hand down much extra information about Jesus and circumstances at the time. IN the days after Jesus, it could have been dangerous to openly and plainly say anything about such matters. So the message was left to us in code to interpret 2000 years later. <<

Scripture: [10] Of what use is an idol that its maker should shape it, a molten image, a
falling of lies? For the craftsman puts his trust in his own creation when he makes dumb idols (
2: 18).
From page 485
Commentary: Interpreted, this saying concerns all the idols of the nations which they make so that they may serve and worship them. But they shall not deliver them on the Day of Judgement.

Scripture: Woe [to him who says] to wood, 'Awake', and to dumb [stone, 'Arise'! Can [15] such a thing give guidance? Behold, it is covered with gold and silver but there is no spirit within it. But the Lord is in His holy Temple ]: XIII let all the earth be silent before Him! (2:1920).
Commentary: Interpreted, this concerns all the nations which serve stone and wood. But on the Day of Judgement, God will destroy from the earth all idolatrous and wicked men.

>> The writer is back to foretelling the Day of Judgement at the end, as the vision of Habakkuk was intended to do. <<

I am going back to regular black text to finish commentary on the DSS of Habakkuk. As you can see, scriptures can apply to many situations at many times, but do have a primary principle application. The writer of the Habakkuk scroll used some instances to pass on info about what happened to Jesus at the time. But he also relates the vision has a principle fulfillment on the Day of Judgment, the final generation of the very last days.

But to me, most worthy of our notice is how careful they were about explaining or revealing anything. They seemed to speak at all times in code, even as Jesus did. this should serve as an important example to us. Here in the USA, we tend to speak openly and freely, imagining we have freedom of speech. But we have been lied to and in secret, behind our backs, our every word is noted and tracked. That is why we should be more like our Lord and the writers of these scrolls and of the prophets who spoke in a veiled sort of way. for if we only speak in figures, it is hard to find as much fault or be seen as a great threat. Our message is not for just anyone. It is for those of the right heart.

Speaking in figures and symbols will reach who it is intended to reach and will not at all work with the "blind." Some want us to boldly and plainly declare all things but this is not the will of God. We speak in parable and figures and see who can grasp it and who can not. Let the fools openly speak if they like, but we shall go on obeying God and knowing that Babylon and all our other enemies shall get their due at the proper time by the hand of God and not His "elect."


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 The following has some fascinating info about Tyre representing Jerusalem and beyond. But Babylon is symbolic Jerusalem, not the 70 AD Jerusalem that fell to Rome, as Preterists would have you believe. Such clever liars!

View Poll Results: was Mystery, Babylon the Great - earthly Jerusalem?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/71766-mystery-babylon-great-earthly-jerusalem-12.html
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Next is interesting for its long lists of traits and descriptions of "Babylon." Most praiseworthy in that aspect.

WHO  AND  WHAT  IS  BABYLON ?
http://www.lightministries.com/id292.htm
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Babylon's Profile Summary
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No brackets or colored text here. I am going black for this section. You have the scriptures here to reference. I will copy text where needed, without the numbered references.

Babylon was notable in a number of ways. It was the biggest city of its time. It was the most powerful. Daniel 4's description of Nebuchadnezzar's dream shows Babylon as a huge tree filling the earth and all the animals sheltered beneath it and the birds of heaven in its branches. It is the head of gold of the scary statue that Nebuchadnezzar had a nightmare about. It was the crowning glory of the march of empires. But it would fall. In fact, it fell by actions which were of its own doing. Babylon had once diverted the river to build a bridge and gates and line the river with bricks so that the river would be completely fenced in by the city walls and Babylon would always have a water supply available. But in having created the place to divert the waters, they inspired Cyrus of Persia to make use of the very same to divert them yet again and come in through the gates of the river, once it was diverted away.

So also, the modern symbolic Babylon may have done something to lay the seeds of its own destruction. After all, it is its lovers who turn on it and destroy it. There may even be more than that behind it all. If all the members of Babylon are to be rounded up and killed, one will need to make use of all that surveillance and technology which she herself helped build and made great use of. So there is a lot of irony to be dished out in this circumstance.

Further, whether it is of meaning or not, Babylon was a crossroads for many tribes and people, and a good deal of trade. As such, Babylon was quite the intersection of trade and commerce. She enjoyed a lot of wealth and prosperity in this role and location. Babylon became a huge banking center as well. Give the summary below, that could be relevant. I also note that the Jews were carted away to Babylon, where they were influenced by the wealth and trade and maybe the spiritism as well. Maybe even some attitudes rubbed off. God dragged them away from Judah. His intension, as I see it, was to bring back the best of the lot and leave the rest to stay in Babylon long after the good ones left.

This was God's way of purifying the people and Judah so that it would be in good shape or at least the best shape possible in order to introduce His son and establish the New Covenant with Abraham's seed, the Jews and then, knowing He would be left short of what he require for an administration of earthly subjects in heaven to help rule over the earth, He would welcome Gentiles/Goyim/People of the nations, into the heavenly kingdom to assist His son in restoring God's kingdom on earth and heal mankind.

But even doing this purifying, God knew full well that He and His son would be rejected. The hearts of these latter day Jews was so far gone that they would kill God's son and hate God, though He Himself would be far out of reach. His followers would not be. We must keep in mind that Jews were and are under the same obligation to God as was given to their ancestors by Moses. Like all the world, They will all and always be accountable to God along with the rest of the world. But could it be that they represent a spiritual type who rejected God and the Bible and sought another god and another "bible," the Babylonian Talmud, whose message seems to differ in many places in a big way, with the Bible and sanction things God condemns. Could the Talmud be a source of sin, of counterfeit religion, just as there are a number of counterfeit Christian denominations.

All these various counterfeits may help usher in a counterfeit messiah, by means of what I call religious Zionism, whereby they claim the nation of Israel must be re-established by the will of God, which is false, and that the temple must be restored by God's will, along with the priesthood and sacrifices, and that Jews would be a separate but equal path to God for all to go to. Did this start in Babylon? It might have. It could have. I do not know. Originating in Babylon while Judah was in exile there, the Jewish Babylonian Talmud, like the Koran, seems rather suspect to me.

The Koran, as best as I understand it and the history of Mohammed, encourages real war to accomplish its goals if need be, to possibly even convert the world to Islam. The Talmud seems to despise all who are not Jewish and sees the other nations and races as simply objects to use. If this is so, then it is a complete rejection of Moses and the law which commanded Israel to be good and kind and respectful to slaves and foreigners since Israel was once a slave in Egypt. In addition, Moses and the prophets made it clear that in time, the nations, the Goyim, would also be welcomed by God and brought to salvation. To treat them as something to look down upon, or despise, or mistreat, lie to, cheat, or kill for no good reason, would indeed be a rejection of God, Moses, the Bible and it would seem to embrace the devil who despises mankind and hates them.

Whether this is all so or not, I have seen a lot of questionable things in the Talmud and accusations made. I hope it is not the case but, there are those printed pages of the Talmud. How Jews feel about some of these writings, I do not know but since I am unaware of any claims that God is ultimately author of the Talmud and even if they did, it would be a contradiction of Moses, to me, some of the Talmud should be openly, publically, and notoriously rejected by God fearing/respecting Jews. It would be sad, for really, the Jews themselves, have been hurt and attacked for what would appear to be nothing more than being Jewish. It would be a great horror and sadness if they were to do the same to non-Jews. But it is also possible that many Jews, like very many Christians, do not know their own "bible" or what is in it or not.

And I must point out that many Christians over the centuries have also used "God" as an excuse to employ violence, war, and extreme abuse of indigenous peoples of differing religions and enslave them, not to mention persecute science and whoever gets in their way. But in this case, though they may say God allows or encourages it, they are liars. The Bible forbids everything they do or have done. The Bible does not justify or allow it and condemns it. But they can not say the same about the Talmud or the Koran. There will always be phonies and hypocrites in all religions and political persuasions, and even academic and judicial practices. But in many such cases, they violate or ignore those constitutions said to govern or regulate and be binding upon them. what would be great concern is if even their foundation documents/constitutions also justify their abuses and cruelties.

But all who share in this hatred of their fellow man would be considered enemies of God. But as covenant breakers, there are only 2 groups who can qualify in that respect and it would seem that Judaizers, long a problem in the early days, are alive and well within Christianity, of all places. They say we must keep the law and restore Israel and rebuild the temple. They say we need to make the Holy names and God and His son conform to new, more accurate translations of those names, such as Yahweh/Yahuwah instead of Jehovah; and Yahoshua/Yashua for Jesus. They say we must keep the festivals and Sabbaths and who knows what else. But regardless of whether they are Christians or Jews who promote these things that I call Religious Zionism but which we cold just call Judaizing, they are both wrong and may both be harboring ill will toward those who will not go along with the "Zionism" leading to the Anti-christ. I do hope I am not right about this. But Judaizing and Zionizing are wrong and anyone doing them is an apostate and heretic and will answer to God.

Further, there are not 2 paths to God, Jehovah. There is only one through one sacrifice/mediator, God's son, Jesus, and one covenant, the one installed by the death of Jesus and the presentation of that sacrifice to God in heaven and verified by great and powerful signs, wonders, and miracles that take place in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. One God, one spirit, one faith, one Baptism. ONE,! Not two! ONE !!!

Whether these are intended as Babylon or part of Babylon, well, I wish I knew for sure, but I am suspicious. For I do know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the law has been fulfilled and a New Covenant installed. So it is certain. Further, that there is to be a religious Zionism, so to speak, which will bring in and introduce the Antichrist and Babylon, along with others, and will have plenty to do with it. So those who support Judaizing (back-to-the-law-movements) and "Zionizing" almost certainly will support the Antichrist (AntiJesus) as well. I believe that is why they try to drag us back into the Law, rather than embrace Christ and the New Covenant.

And behold, Israel has been restored, but not by the will of God, though He did say it would happen. It is a false sign and wonder with many more to follow. And I am sure the temple will be restored and the priesthood and sacrifices, too. Then there shall only be the Anti-christ to appear and establish a covenant, a deal, with all the world and he will proclaim peace and security and as soon as he does, then all hell will break loose.

So I say this with the greatest of warning. There is only one name under all heaven by which men can be saved. It is through Jesus the Christ, the son of God. Unless you accept the son and what he commands, you can not be saved. There is no 2nd path, or dual path, or alternate path or two Covenants, one for Jews and one for Christians. All peoples, and nations, and tongues must openly accept the son of God to be saved. One flock and one shepherd the Bible says! A singular narrow cramped difficult path that will not be easy to travel. But it comes with great reward in the long run. Don't pass up this opportunity.

But what remains is that much took place in Babylon and/or at the time of Babylon. How much symbolism and fulfillment is intended by the figure of Babylon is a work in progress, like the interpretation of all prophecy is never ending. But in another article I have written as an installment of my Prophecy series of the Last Days, The Sons of Light vs. The Sons of Darkness, and not only in the Bible but also even in the Dead Sea Scrolls. This symbol, sort of not appreciated by me nearly as much as it should have been, has dawned on me as of late. So this subject will maybe help throw some more light on the matters related to this article and others.

It is quite remarkable that God could see so far ahead and give us so much detail about Babylon, as well as the antichrist and the other characters as well. A miracle above all other miracles. It was God's wish that we should have something to give us comfort, knowing what we have to face. But why not look at the details in condensed form to see if we can form a picture, a completed puzzle, of what we are looking for in this symbol of Babylon the Great. But just as Satan knew of many of God's plans and moved to subvert some of them, God knew all Satan's plans and has revealed them as well.

Now keep in mind that Babylon is said to be God's primary enemy and His people's as well. It is she who manipulates these other parties in Revelation to do her will. For this reason, it is Babylon who is punished more than the rest for her greater guilt in taking action in killing Christians and imprisoning them as well as being the primary source of all suffering and violence in the world from her great ambitions to rule the world. That is why there is so much emphasis on her punishment. God knows that these prophecies will not deter her or make her change, though you would think they would. They are too arrogant and do not believe it could be possible that God could really exist and care. So they act without concern and with great arrogance.

One might ask as this point, since we only have to look for who is the great enemy of Christianity, why all this effort? Well, for one, is it not amazing that God foresaw a situation in detail, 2000 or more years before it happened? Further, since it is possible that this enemy is very subtle and sneaky, it might not be at all obvious who she is or that she is behind all this malice. On the other hand, maybe it is not so subtle or hard to see, if one is better informed. Remember that most are asleep today and Jesus said it would be this way. Maybe the few not asleep can see it easy.

Further, mainstream Christianity is totally corrupt and bought off. So she would not be a serious enemy. The real Christianity will be a relatively small population compared to the rest of the world or even just compared to the body of Christianity as a group.

But for whatever the situation, God gave us a lot of info because He believed we needed it. Look at it this way. How many are preaching the message you are reading here? Hardly any! And of the few who are saying what I do, how many reading are believing it? Hardly any! Of course, that will change when it starts to happen as I and the few with me start having our words and interpretations come true while all the others have failed. Then it will get interesting. Below is a condensed list of things mentioned in the Bible. I am going to consider a few highlights that should not be overlooked. Most are self evident.

Phrases from Revelation

* The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen; because of the wine of the anger of her fornication, she made all nations to drink.
* The great harlot sitting on the many waters
, which are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues
* The Harlot and the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.
* The waters
where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
* Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth
* Drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus
* The mystery of the woman, and of the beast supporting her, the one having the seven heads and the ten horns.
* The seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them
* The ten horns on the beast will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.
* The woman whom you saw is the great city
, having a kingdom over the kings of the earth.
* Babylon the great has fallen, and it has become a dwelling-place of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean bird; and hated because of the wine of the anger of her fornication which all the nations have drunk, even the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth became rich from the power of her luxury.
*
Her sins are heaped high as heaven
* She says in her heart, I sit as a queen, and I am not a widow; and I do not see mourning at all.
* Those having fornicated and having luxuriated with her

* The merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo any more. Cargo of gold, and silver, and of precious stone, and of pearls, and of fine linen, and of purple, and of silk, and of scarlet, and all thyine wood, and every ivory vessel, and every vessel of very precious wood, and of bronze, and of iron, and of marble, and cinnamon, and incenses, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine meal, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and of bodies and souls of men. And the ripe fruits of the lust of your soul went away from you, and all the fat things, and the bright things went away from you, and you will find them no more, not at all. The merchants of these things, the ones being enriched from her, all those having ships in the sea were rich, from her costliness.

Phrases from Isaiah and Jeremiah (and the 1st one from Daniel)

* Is not, this, Babylon the great, which, I myself, have built as the home of the kingdom, by the might of my power, and for the dignity of my majesty? (Daniel 4)
* In her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth
*
You shall no more be called tender and delicate
* You shall no more be called the mistress of kingdoms
* You showed Christians no mercy; on the aged you made your yoke exceedingly heavy
* I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease; and I will humble the pride of tyrants
* Babylon , the glory of the kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans, shall be destroyed
* How the exacter, the gold gatherer, has ceased!
* Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked, the staff of rulers, who struck the peoples in wrath, a blow without turning away, ruling the nations in anger, dealing out persecution without restraint.
* You have said In your heart, I will go up to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit in the mount of meeting, in the sides of the north. I will rise over the heights of the clouds; I will be compared to the Most High.
* Because you rejoice, because you exult, O destroyers of My inheritance, because you are fat like the heifer in grass, and neigh like strong ones
* The proud one shall stumble and fall
* I will give to Babylon , and to all the people of Chaldea all the evil that they have done in Zion
* The violence done to me and to my flesh is on Babylon , the dweller in Zion shall say. And Jerusalem shall say, My blood shall be on the dwellers of Chaldea
* I will punish on the idols of Babylon
* Babylon is to fall for the slain of Israel , so for Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall

Phrases from Habakkuk
( These have been at times slightly paraphrased or summarized for clarity and brevity )

Chapter 1
3
For destruction, violence, strife, and contention rises up and are everywhere.
4 Law and justice are non-existent, completely corrupt, a total farce.
4 The wicked hems in the righteous. The righteous are surrounded and completely outnumbered.
5 The cockiness of the Chaldeans, and their faith in their military prowess, and their disregard for God and Law.
5 They do not fear or believe in God and Law. It causes them not to believe the messages of the prophets of God from the Bible.
6-9 The Chaldeans are called a bitter, fierce, impetuous nation. They inspire great fear and dread among the nations. 
6-9 They have an amazing military system of immense power symbolized and they seek to conquer and devour everyone, all land, and everything.
6-9
They are full of desire for what others have. And nothing is going to get in their way. They love plunder. It is why they carry on war.
10 They do not fear other nations. They laugh and make light of the greatest of leaders and officers. No fortress can stand against them.
11 "He" incurs much guilt and transgression in his avarice for war. It is not out of defense or protection that he attacks. It is greed pure and simple.
11 He credits his god for his victories. But whether it is his true pagan god or him claiming that Jehovah is his God,
     he is a liar but perhaps pretends to holiness and righteousness.
11 Its all nothing but lies and pretenses. It is no god that does this but his own military might. We need not fear him and his alleged god.
12 He, the Chaldean, is appointed for judgment, correction, punishment, discipline by order of Jehovah.
13 The Chaldeans are described as wicked, deceitful, treacherous, tyrannical. We could add manipulative with justification.
14-15 The Chaldeans as in "he," see mankind as just something to harvest and use like the fish of the sea caught in nets and with lines and hooks.
14-15 What is more, they rejoice and enjoy what they do. No remorse or compassion to be found here.
16 "He" sacrifices and worships his nets, his means of harvest and exploitation and he gets very rich from this and gets fat from it.
     This is his real god and religion.
17 It seems like there will be no end to his harvest and exploitation and his constant slaying of the nations.


Chapter 2
4 The soul of the Chaldean is puffed up and not upright at all. Not a pretty sight.
5 His pride is betrayed by wine. He is indulgent. Never content or satisfied. He wants all the nations and peoples.
5 A handful of nations would never do. Incredible greed and avarice.
6 He gains and increases from what is not his and what he is not entitled to.
6 He loads himself with pledges, collateral, loans, mortgages, interest, taxes, and the like.
7 He is going to be attacked and struck suddenly without warning and become prey.
8 Because he has plundered so many nations and people, they will also plunder him in return.
8 But also because of the blood of many men and the violence to the land, cities and people.
9 He robs and collects unjust evil booty and gain to build his house with safety and security so he won't be plundered or harmed.
9 He harms others but does not wish to be harmed himself. Such a one way street and hypocrite, wouldn't you say?
10 He has brought great shame on his "house" by ending many peoples and sinning in his soul.
11 The building materials in his house cry out against him.
12 He builds a town with blood and a city with sin and corruption. It will come back to haunt him.
15 He gets his friends drunk merely for sport and to mock them and laugh at them and their degraded condition of nakedness. Nice guy, huh?
16 But he will experience the same shame and mocking in time. Will be seen as naked and "uncircumcised."
18-19 They are full of pagan idolatries and idol worship. It is the devil they ultimately pay homage to.

Chapter 3
12-14 promise that God will surely act against the Chaldeans and the nations. We can be certain of it.

I want to point out in Habakkuk that this book also describes the situation we would have in the last days and gets into a sort of personality profile of Babylon/Chaldeans and shows how there is absolutely no good or decency in him/her whatsoever. As bas as you could possibly imagine with no redeeming qualities at all. This is pretty severe but it is God who has make the assessment. Who are we to argue? This list compares quite well with the other summary/extract lists. It just adds a few more insights into what we are facing and dealing with now. Keep in mind that prophets have always been hated and killed and Jesus himself was hated and killed, as were most Apostles. The world has never liked goodness or decency. So it must be judged and destroyed by God.

Some might think there are contradictions between some things in Habakkuk compared to the other prophecies. Not contradictions, but more colors and details that do harmonize when all the pieces are put together. For instance, Revelation calls HER a whore. Habakkuk says its a HE and a Chaldean. But Jeremiah also says Chaldean. But some parts of the identities are changed to confuse. But key features link them all together. Now Revelation says Babylon wields a secret control and kingdom over all the kings of the earth. Habakkuk says Babylon rules all the earth with her military. It does not say, but does imply from the other prophets, that the military is not directly hers but is ruled by her. She is the motivating driving force. But all agree she rules the world in the last days.

So do not get fooled by Habakkuk leaving out some things or adding others. He is just there to add more details to the many aspects of this Babylon who is a world menace in the last days. The overall pattern he gives is very much the same as the others. With all this vast information at hand, it should be very easy to note the world political and financial system today and figure out who is who and what is what and who the beast, false prophet, Babylon, and all the other prophetic characters are and what they will do. In fact, one can even make future predictions of actions or more thoroughly see behind current actions for what they are really intended for. Its like having a crystal ball or a direct phone line to God since He has chosen so very long ago to send us these messages that would only be able to be interpreted shortly before they happen. Urgency of study and action is needed as soon as you begin to discern this real world situation.

A consideration of this list should show that Babylon lived in great luxury, and bitterly oppressed Christians and even the entire world, but especially Real Christians. She is responsible for the blood shed of saints and witnesses of Jesus and most of the blood spilled in the whole earth for possibly most of the last 2000 years if not more. What I find more interesting is that she seems to be guilty of various spirit practices, occult type stuff, and sorceries. She has become a lurking place of demons, unclean spirits, and every vile unclean thing. We are talking about a woman, a symbol for a group, a network of people who hate God and ultimately, given their evil practices, are worshippers of the dragon, Satan the devil. How obvious this would be, I am not sure. I doubt it is that hard to spot. Given her arrogance, I doubt it is subtle at all. Secret societies with their questionable icons and imagery, are likely involved. By their fruits you will know them! But if they lie, hate and kill, and do all things in secret and hiding, then they worship the devil.

Also interesting is this luxury she lives in. She lives like a king or queen and is certain that will never change. And she has a special connection with business and commerce. Involved are the merchants of all the earth, with all their cargo of every valuable commodity in existence, listed in detail in Revelation, so it must be important. All those those having ships in the sea were rich from her. That is no small statement! She is called an exacter and gold gatherer. I wonder how much is implied in that. But her financial and business interests are considerable as the whole world seems to profit from her. Holy smoke, man! This gal has some money. That is likely how she buys her influence and control. I say that because most countries today are controlled by elected officials who are beholden to lobbyists and business men who have considerable wealth to dispense and lots of agendas to accomplish. No doubt that Babylon will be found in these many secret activities and transactions.

This business / money aspect is one perhaps missed by many "interpreters" of prophecy. We all know about the political aspects and her allies and hate for God and Christians. We know her allies, the beast, the image of the beast who is dependant on the beast, the false prophet / antichrist, and of course, the dragon, Satan the devil, who controls all these. But the business money stuff deserves more attention than it gets. She has a lot on control and influence over commerce.

And then there is that other interesting aspect, her dirty little bedroom secrets. She is the Mistress of Kingdoms, the darling of the bedroom of kings. She wields this very substantial power over the kings of the earth so that she is able to get her way and get the kings to act against God's people in a brutal way. Her means of influence is subtle, her kingdom a secret kingdom. It is not overt and obvious. She manipulates from the secret bedrooms, so to speak, much like a queen or princess might manipulate a king to accommodating her wishes. So she is able to remain hidden, unseen, undetected. The most effective enemy is the one you do not know about. But God has revealed her to us if we search carefully. We do not have to get caught off guard.

The world we live in is not as it appears. It is deceptive, and clandestine. Said to be one thing when it is entirely another. But most people do not discern this. They take everything at face value and believe it all, for they have been dulled in their senses by the schools run by the system and Babylon. They have been fooled by the lies and pretenses. But if we look beyond the pretense, which do not make sense, we can begin to discern the real mechanisms that run the world and control it. The secret kingdom starts to come out of the fog and mist. God gave us what we need to see beyond it all, if we dare.

So Babylon is not principally or primarily a single nation. Her influence and control comes from many areas, perhaps none more so than money, business, commerce, and financing. She is not principally a religion, though she is full of corrupt spiritism and idolatry herself. She no doubt influences and controls most religions today. She battled the Catholic Church for such control of the kings. And through her very sophisticated network, she seems to control and rule the world from her ivory tower where she believes she is untouchable.

Perhaps we might do well to ask why she has so much hatred for God and Christians. Well, we know that nearly all humanity is descended from Adam and were/are inclined to want to do what they want, without regard for others. We all act selfishly. But Some act more selfishly than others. Some see the rest of humanity as just things to use for their own selfish benefit. And in attempting to manipulate and rule the world, they find God's word, the Bible, and His people, obstructions and annoyances of the worst kind. They do not like having their consciences continually pricked and tormented. Hence, the hate, I suspect. The more hideous your plans and evil your works, the more you resent correction and righteousness. And they do not like people exposing their plans and schemes, either.

But if you want to know Babylon and it is not clear to you yet, just keep watching, for things are moving fast now and it will become ever more obvious who is living good and causing trouble and making trouble for those who call for good and condemn bad. Its not rocket science when you get down to it. By their fruits you will know them. But I would say, pay more attention to the subtle things that are daily revealed or beheld. From these will come answers. The advantage as I see it, is that Babylon is not that subtle at all. And she is quite arrogant, bold, and brazen. She does not bother to hide what she does all that much. Seek and you shall find.

If you just ignore what people and the media say, and start to pay far more attention to what they do, and realize that contradictions between words and actions mean that the actions are the truth. Follow the evidence wherever it goes. If the contradictory evidence suggests lying, deceit and treachery, believe it, accept it, don't ignore it. We have been told all our lives the world is such a great and wonderful place and people are good. Its not true. Once you can accept that, then you can believe it when you find actions hard to justify or write off. What people are doing, they are not doing unintentionally. They have sold their souls and they know it.

Remember that Satan rules the world still, for the moment. Given that fact, we must assume the world and those in it are primarily wicked. Further, if we are heading for the worst tribulation in the history of the world and mankind, then it can't be very good or we would not be that close to such a horrible time and circumstance. We are near to completely falling apart. We are being set up for the most despicable deliberate cruelty ever perpetrated upon humankind. Those who rule over us are truly wicked, almost beyond conception or belief. This is the message of the Bible and its prophets. And Babylon is a big reason why it is heading that way. She has far worse plans for humanity than humanity could ever guess or imagine possible.

But God has let all mankind know of the evil designs that Babylon has planned for us all. None who would like to avoid this, need to fall victim to it. We can avoid it. God can save us. We might have to temporarily die, but we will live again if we die for our witness to Christ. So we do have a way out from it all. We have been told everything, right under their noses. So renounce bad, do what is good, and have nothing to do with politics or anything evil. Trust that God can protect you and will. We who serve God by our testimony might have to get our reward through a resurrection but that is no big deal. But we don't want to be guilty of fighting or resisting evil people and powers. God tells us to turn the other cheek to them, instead. God can and will make things right!

By remaining ever so blameless, the actions of the wicked will be all the more inexcusable. That is what God wants. He wants to show how far gone much of humanity is. This is what happens when we disobey even  the slightest command of God such as eating a piece of fruit from a tree forbidden to us. But if we fight and resist, we give our enemies a partial excuse for eliminating us. God has the right to ask of us what He wants. He wants us completely free of any and all fighting, war, resistance, and the like. That way, no actions against us could be justified. Despite that, actions will be taken against us and that is why God will punish those who hate beyond all reasonable excuse; and attack, imprison or kill without justification.

Join me in saying no to war, no to military service, no to violence, deceit, treachery, meanness, nastiness, or any other sort of evil. Embrace what is good and accept death if need be, to maintain this honorable stance and let God make it up to us afterward. We know what is coming. Lets get ourselves ready now for the worst period in the history of the world. We can do it! God will help.

Now is the time to wake up.
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Luke 11:9 And I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

March 21, 2013    > > >    I have added 3 chapters from Ezekiel and 2 from Isaiah, which, beyond doubt, as I see it, point to symbolic Tyre and Sidon as yet another identification of the great whore and merchant best known as Babylon the Great. These do not add anymore to her profile as they do just confirming what is already said and in much the same language as it was said before.

Why so much against one symbol and master manipulator?  Because God does not want anyone in Babylon to go through with this and if He had His choice, they would all repent and be saved and live as one with Him in His kingdom. But God is a realist and knows that will not happen. So He give an enormous amount of writing so that there will be no excuse for being caught of guard. Babylon knows who she is. You can be sure of that and she  knows who I am, too. That is also dead certain.

I urge all people of the earth, but especially those who once had a covenant relationship with God, those being both Jews-Israel in the 1st Covenant and majority mainstream organized denominized (or demonized, if you prefer) Christians of the 2nd greater covenant also held out to those of the former covenant as well. You can both come back to God and all is forgiven. Give up rebuilding the temple and molding an antichrist to fool us all with. Some of us won't buy it.

My article on the tribe of Dan is most relevant to Jews, since Dan is trying to convince his people Israel that he has their best interests in mind and heart. He is a liar thru and thru, like his father the devil.


Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Tyre        March 27, 2013
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I was reading Ezekiel in the vicinity of chapters 26-28 and when I came upon them, I marveled at how identical they were to Habakkuk and Revelation, particularly in regards to mercantilism and business and losing those.

Ezekiel 26:     21 verses
1  And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
2  Son of man, because that Tyre hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gate of the peoples; she is turned unto me; I shall be replenished, now that she is laid waste:
3  therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah, Behold, I am against thee, O Tyre, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth its waves to come up. 
>>Does this not sound like the waves of the sea in Revelation, and the nations turning on the whore of revelation<<
4  And they shall destroy the walls of Tyre, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her a bare rock.
5  She shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea; for I have spoken it, saith the Lord Jehovah; and she shall become a spoil to the nations.
6  And her daughters that are in the field shall be slain with the sword: and they shall know that I am Jehovah.
7  For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I will bring upon Tyre, Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and a company, and much people.
>> Jesus is also called king of kings. Imagine that! All the people and nations come in on Tyre. Sound like Gog and Magog coming from the north, too. <<
8  He shall slay with the sword your daughters in the field; and he shall make forts against thee, and cast up a mound against thee, and raise up the buckler against thee.
9  And he shall set his battering engines against your walls, and with his axes he shall break down your towers.
10  By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: your walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wagons, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into your gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach.
11  With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all your streets; he shall slay your people with the sword; and the pillars of your strength shall go down to the ground.
12  And they shall make a spoil of your riches, and make a prey of your merchandise; and they shall break down your walls, and destroy your pleasant houses; and they shall lay your stones and your timber and your dust in the midst of the waters.
13  And I will cause the noise of your songs to cease; and the sound of your harps shall be no more heard.
>> A spoil of their riches and prey of their merchandise. No more songs or singing heard in her. Sounds like Babylon the Great, to me. Alexander the great did take the stones and timber and throw it in the water to build a causeway out to the Island of Tyre to destroy it. <<
14  And I will make thee a bare rock; thou shalt be a place for the spreading of nets; thou shalt be built no more: for I Jehovah have spoken it, saith the Lord Jehovah.
15  Thus saith the Lord Jehovah to Tyre: shall not the isles shake at the sound of your fall, when the wounded groan, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee?
16  Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay aside their robes, and strip off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble every moment, and be astonished at thee.
17  And they shall take up a lamentation over thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited by seafaring men, the renowned city, that was strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, that caused their terror to be on all that dwelt there!
>> Oh, surely this 16-18 sounds like the mourning over the fall of Babylon the great.<<
18  Now shall the isles tremble in the day of your fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be dismayed at your departure.
19  For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and the great waters shall cover thee;
20  then will I bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, to the people of old time, and will make thee to dwell in the nether parts of the earth, in the places that are desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I will set glory in the land of the living.
21  I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt no more have any being; though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord Jehovah.


ASV) Ezekiel 27: 1-6            36 verses
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>>Right off the bat, this is a full 36 verses dedicated to what I will call the repetition of the fall of Babylon the Great in Revelation, where the merchants weep and mourn. This whole chapter focuses on the many nations and people that were traded with, and who made Tyre fabulously wealthy. Only Genesis 10 and 11 have as many names of people and nations as this chapter does. Every conceivable good is traded back and forth, all to the enrichment of Tyre. Then comes the mourning, the fear, and lamentation for Tyre, since her many allies in trading did well by her. Tyre manages an amazing trade network. No other chapter or book highlights so much in trade and commerce. It is a remarkable chapter. Read it carefully and then we will talk some more.<<

>>The pronouncement is against Tyre. Tyre and Sidon were cities of Phoenicians. Phoenicians were Canaanites, and Sidon was the son of Canaan and founder of Phoenicians. Tyre was their most prominent city, just north of Israel. Pay careful attention to how "Tyre" had control of many different races and resources to make him/her rich and powerful. You should know that while Tyre and Sidon did not remain powerful cities, another city they had founded in North Africa, Carthage, continued to be a huge player in the Mediterranean. Carthage and Rome fought and competed for supremacy of the Mediterranean. Cathage was finally defeated in 146 BC.<<

From Wikipedia: Ancient Carthage (from Phoenician Qart-ḥadat[1]) was a Semitic civilization centered on the Phoenician city-state of Carthage, located in North Africa on the Gulf of Tunis, outside what is now Tunis, Tunisia. It was founded in 814 BC.[2][3] Originally a dependency of the Phoenician state of Tyre, Carthage gained independence around 650 BC and established a hegemony over other Phoenician settlements throughout the Mediterranean, North Africa and what is now Spain[4] which lasted until the end of the 3rd century BC. At the height of the city's prominence, its political influence extended over most of the western Mediterranean and it was one of the major trade hubs.

For much of its history, Carthage was in a constant state of struggle with the Greeks on Sicily and the Roman Republic, which led to a series of armed conflicts known as the Greek-Punic Wars and Punic Wars. The city also had to deal with the volatile Berbers,[5] the indigenous inhabitants of the entire area where Carthage was built. In 146 BC, after the third and final Punic War, Carthage was destroyed and then occupied by Roman forces.[6] Nearly all of the other Phoenician city-states and former Carthaginian dependencies fell into Roman hands from then on.

>>Though Carthage had territories around the Mediterranean, she was not a big land holder. Her power and strength were in her trade connections, by which she maintained her influence and acquired her wealth. To her credit, she controlled a sizeable "empire" without as much army as Rome did. Rome used her military for control, power, and wealth. She was fierce and very dominating. Carthage was more subtle with their "empire." They likely employed diplomacy far better than Rome.

Every conceivable good is traded back and forth in Ezekiel 27, all to the enrichment of Tyre. Then comes the mourning, the fear, and lamentation for Tyre, since her many allies in trading did well by her. Tyre manages an amazing trade network. No other chapter or book highlights so much in trade and commerce. It is a remarkable chapter. Read it carefully and then we will talk some more.

I use the American Standard Version (ASV) for this account. I changed the "thou's" and "thy's" to you's and your's for easier reading and modernized a few other simple words like hast to has, and the like..<<

Ezekiel 27:
1  The word of Jehovah came again unto me, saying,
2  And you, son of man, take up a lamentation over Tyre;
3  and say unto Tyre, O you that dwellest at the entry of the sea, that are the merchant of the peoples unto many isles, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: You, O Tyre, have said, I am perfect in beauty.
4  Your borders are in the heart of the seas; your builders have perfected your beauty.

>> Her borders were those of the sea. Her empire was the sea. She lived and died by her ships and fleets. Rome had to become sailors in order to defeat Phoenician Carthage (from Tyre) later on. Her builders, her manufacturers, you might say, are those who contributed to her beauty and trading power.<<

5  They have made all your planks of fir-trees from Senir; they have taken a cedar from Lebanon to make a mast for thee.
6  Of the oaks of Bashan have they made your oars; they have made your benches of ivory inlaid in boxwood, from the isles of Kittim.

>> Kittim was a son of Javan, son of Japheth, son of Noah. Kittim, known to scholars a Kition (a Greek form), modern day Cyprus, controlled some of the isles of the Mediterranean. But various places contributed to making ships for Tyre. She had many resources available to her. She used others. What was unique about her empire was that she did it through cunning and craft, rather than overt brute military force. Tyre made it profitable to be loyal to her and serve her. This is very smart, indeed.

When scholars consider empires of early times, they think of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media and Persia, Greece, and Rome, all of whom used military force to forge their empires. Not once was Phoenicia, who had many colonies throughout the Mediterranean, with Tyre as the first "capitol," ever mentioned. But consider this!

Rome conquered small powers in her early days, on her way to conquest and great glory, and total control of as much of the world as possible. she started off in about 750 BC and it was not until the 200s BC, that Rome finally believed she had enough wealth, resources and skills, that she could over come the most formidable competitor in all the Mediterranean, Phoenician Carthage. These were known as the Punic wars. Phoenic and Punic are one in the same for meaning and identification. Rome wanted Carthage out of the way, since Carthage ruled the seas, which was the best way to dominate trade, wealth, and control. Once Carthage was eliminated, Rome would quickly overcome many other areas around the seas, such as Egypt, Greece, the Mid-East, Gaul/France (perhaps another formidable competitor that has gone unrecognized), and smaller areas near these others.

So truth be told, and it is on this site, my friends, Rome was one of 2 co-existing empires of that region, and Rome wanted to be the only one. With enough wealth and resources, Rome believed she would wage a war of simple attrition, and outlast Carthage for victory. Rome knew that with a formidable enemy like Carthage, there would be obvious casualties to both sides, without question. Rome knew she had to be able to withstand more casualties than Carthage. She also knew she had to do it by waging war on Carthage's territory and strengths. And what were those?

Rome know it was the open sea that was Carthage's greatest strength. Rome would have to be able to beat the fleets of Carthage on the open seas and destroy those fleets. Rome did not want to try to build ships of the same type that were better, for Carthage had long perfected their craft and skill in ship building and sailing. Instead, Rome designed ships that would come up to Carthage ships and drop a plank, so that Roman soldiers, the best in the world at that time, could board the enemy's ships and change it from a battle of ships to a battle of soldiers, which was certain to favor Rome, without a doubt, and it did.

The Punic Wars were no small confrontation at all. Look at how Wikipedia describes it and then marvel.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punic_Wars:

 
Punic Wars        Carthaginian Possessions through the Punic Wars above

The Punic Wars were a series of three wars fought between Rome and Carthage from 264 BC to 146 BC.[1] At the time, they were probably the largest wars that had ever taken place.[2] The term Punic comes from the Latin word Punicus (or Poenicus), meaning "Carthaginian", with reference to the Carthaginians' Phoenician ancestry.[3] The main cause of the Punic Wars was the conflict of interests between the existing Carthaginian Empire and the expanding Roman Republic.
END OF Wiki Quote<<<

>> I listed 5 empires that came and went before this war was settled in 146 BC, making Rome the undisputed ruler of all the Mediterranean. And analysts, (at least some like the referenced Goldsworthy) see this as the biggest of the big. No foe to come after this, would equal the size and scope of the Punic wars, which took 120 years to resolve! That is a damn long war! Are you getting the picture God is painting? The Phoenician Empire, and it was a mighty empire, says God AND History, was really and truly the most remarkable empire of any of the previous empires. Only Rome, and Rome alone, proved to be superior. The Phoenician Empire, regardless of where its head quarters/capitol was, whether Sidon, Tyre, Cyprus, or Carthage, was possibly a kinder gentler empire that used advantage and opportunity to lure allies into subjection and cooperation, if possible.

Though Tyre did have some military muscle, both on sea and land, these were not her main advantage. She was subtle in her reign, but effective, and other empires either did not notice her, or knew better than to try to overcome her, recognizing she was clearly superior in her "invisible" power of the seas, "the heart of the seas." I will speak more of this a little later.<<


Ezekiel 27: 7-11
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7  Of fine linen with broidered work from Egypt was your sail, that it might be to you for an ensign; blue and purple from the isles of Elishah was thine awning.
8  The inhabitants of Sidon and Arvad were your rowers: your wise men, O Tyre, were in you, they were your pilots.
9  The old men of Gebal and the wise men thereof were in you your calkers: all the ships of the sea with their mariners were in you to deal in your merchandise.

>> Egypt came from Misraim, of Ham, of Noah. Elishah was another son of Javan, of Japheth, of Noah. He had isles in his power as well. And Tyre had Elishah.<<

10  Persia and Lud and Put were in your army, your men of war: they hanged the shield and helmet in you; they set forth your comeliness.
11  The men of Arvad with their army were upon your walls round about, and valorous men were in your towers; they hanged their shields upon your walls round about; they have perfected your beauty.

   >> Persia hailed from Elam, a son of Shem of Noah, I believe. Lud was also one of the 5 sons of Shem. Phut was a son of Ham, of Noah. Arvad were Canaanites (Genesis 10:18), being neighbors and relatives ("cousins") with Tyre and Sidon.

        Tyre did have some muscle, some military force to supplement their "diplomacy" and trade incentives. In fact, Tyre had a number of "nations" that she could use as mercenaries or who saw their own advantage in supporting and defending Tyre. Tyre had a network that though not as overtly visible, was clearly a real and powerful threat. But she was not as intimidating, due to keeping a low profile, so to speak.<<

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Tarshish below, was yet another son of Javan, of Japheth, of Noah. The following link gives lots of info on who Tarshish might be as regards location. Several interesting possibilities. But for sure, the sons of Javan were all Greek varieties and were known in Genesis 10 & 11 for inhabiting the isles and coasts. As far as I can see, The Tarshish of Spain seems the most likely. But various isles in the Mediterranean such as Sicily, Sardinia, and Corsica were islands that came from someone living there. Note what this site and its author have to say:<<

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http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesTarshish.html#Where:     (Yair Davidiy, director and apparent Israeli author of the site, who I believe to be a relevant and required witness/consultant, though as in all research, caution must be exercised. He is very knowledgeable and has done a lot of "digging.")

"Tarshish son of Javan [Ionia, Greece] gave rise to the settlement of Tarsis in Cilicia (Southeast Turkey). This area was conquered and ruled by enclaves from Dan and Judah. The nearby island of Cyprus was also associated with Dan and referred to as 'Ydnnana" ("Isle of Dan") by the Assyrians. Tartessos (Tarshish) in Spain had originally been founded by a group related to the Greeks and the peoples of Anatolia but it was later taken over by the Phoenicians."

"Herodotus (1:163) speaks of Tartessos in Spain and relates how they welcomed the people of Phocia in Ionia (Greek Anatolia), sent money back to Phocia to help them rebuild the city walls, and requested that Phocia send them immigrants"

 "In the Hebrew Bible it says "Oni-Tarshish" meaning "Ships of Tarshish".
This is repeated in Chronicles:
[2-Chronicles 9:21] FOR THE KING'S SHIPS WENT TO TARSHISH WITH THE SERVANTS OF HURAM: EVERY THREE YEARS ONCE CAME THE SHIPS OF TARSHISH BRINGING GOLD, AND SILVER, IVORY, AND APES, AND PEACOCKS.
The word translated as "peacocks" in "Tuciim" which in Modern Hebrew would be understood to mean "Parrots".

"Why did the ships of Solomon and Huram (i.e. the ships of Tarshish) need to take three years to make the trip?"

"The Greek historian Herodotus (484 - ca . 425 BCE) supplies an answer.
Herodotus explains that Phoenician ships would leave from a Red Sea port, sail down the east coast of Africa circumvent Africa and return to the eastern Mediterranean via the Straits of Gibraltar. On the way they would stop, sow corn, reap it, and continue. Archaeological findings (discussed below) indicate the presence of Phoenicians in both East and Western Africa."

"12. Some claim Tarshish to have been somewhere to the east in the Indian Ocean or beyond it. Alternately there is the notion that two places named "Tarshish" existed both reached by ship, one in the east, the other in the west. The names of products brought back by the Ships of Tarshish are said to be derived from the Tamil language of Southern India and Ceylon. See more on this below under the heading: The Eastern Solution?"

"After Solomon Jehoshapat (four generations later) of Judah together with Ahaziah, the King of Northern Israel, attempted to send a joint group of Ships of Tarshish to go to Ophir for gold.
[1-Kings 22:48] JEHOSHAPHAT MADE SHIPS OF THARSHISH TO GO TO OPHIR FOR GOLD: BUT THEY WENT NOT; FOR THE SHIPS WERE BROKEN AT EZIONGEBER.                     
[2-Chronicles 20:
35] AND AFTER THIS DID JEHOSHAPHAT KING OF JUDAH JOIN HIMSELF WITH AHAZIAH KING OF  ISRAEL, WHO DID VERY WICKEDLY:
36] AND HE JOINED HIMSELF WITH HIM TO MAKE SHIPS TO GO TO TARSHISH: AND THEY MADE THE SHIPS IN EZIONGABER."

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Wikipedia: Ezion-Geber (Classical Hebrew: עֶצְיֹן גֶּבֶר, Etzyon Gever) was a city of Idumea, a biblical seaport on the northern extremity of the Gulf of Aqaba, in the area of modern Aqaba and Eilat.[1]

>> There are many unanswered questions in regards to migrations of early times. Much of SE Asia and Pacific isles inhabitation has never been explained that well. But I have always suspected that sons of Javan might have been involved and likely mixed with other races, too, to fill the Asian SE Pacific and isles. I do think it a good possibility that Tarshish maybe have ventured into the Indian Ocean and traded with who knows who, since most kept their trade sources and partners secret so that others could not steal their territory and profits. Genetics may help answer some of that, but not all. Linguistics would also be useful.

Once trade was secured with someone in the Indian Ocean, wares could spread all over the place and come back as well, to be sold elsewhere in other markets.

Another trait that is very common is that when a group or colony settled in a new area, they would name places by the same names they knew in the country they first came from. Tarshish or versions of that name are in several places all around. Troy can be found in many places. Just look at the USA and you see numerous places named after those in Great Britain and even other countries as well, when immigrants arrived and settled. One settlement is as valid as another in indicating sources of origin.

So that names appear in several places does not disqualify any of them from all being ports of call for the colonies originating from the original founders. Tarshish, after you read Isaiah, chapters 23, and 24, in "The Last Days Series, Part 8, Babylon the Great, as well as Ezekiel's chapters 26-28, you'll see that in Isaiah, Tarshish was a significant part of the Tyre-Phoenician empire. She evidently helped make Tyre a great business empire.<<


Ezekiel 27: 12-13
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Javan is mentioned by himself in 13 below, along with Tubal and Meshech. All 3 are direct sons of Japheth and they specialize in slave trading and bronze vessels in return for items sold by Tyre, which we could call Phoenicians, quite legitimately.<<

12  Tarshish was your merchant by reason of the multitude of all kinds of riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded for your wares.
13  Javan, Tubal, and Meshech, they were your traffickers; they traded the persons of men and vessels of brass for your merchandise.

>> Javan continues to be identified as a race, even though he had 5 sons that came after him, who are also identified individually. Javan is Greek, which is a big factor when discussing the Mediterranean. Tubal is most interesting since the name seems to appear in several lineages and places. Because of this, it is very difficult to discern which is the son of Japheth Tubal. Meshech is another name to appear in many races. In fact, Mishael, in the book of Daniel 1:7, is named Meshach, which is pretty much the same.

Javan, Tubal, and Meshach were slave traders and traded Bronze vessels as well. My thinking is that they likely traveled in the Indian Ocean at times, if not regularly. Someone had to settle India, China, Japan, Mongolia, the SE Pacific isles, Australia as well. Mongolian types were common in Japan, North Korea, Mongolia and around it. Eskimos in Asia and North American Arctic. But as well, a substantial number of North American Indians have very Mongolian traits in their looks and language. So who is responsible for this vast and widespread race? I suggest that it is Tubal. Tubal and Tobolsk are names found on maps in the Mongolian regions of Northern and Eastern Asia. this would explain much about the race and how it got to the Americas as well as the far Eastern regions of the Old World.

It has been determined that the Indians of the Americas share the genetics of the East Asian Breeds. So they either migrated through the Asian Steps or they sailed to SE Asian area, and moved up north, and crossed the Pacific as well. Eskimos traveled from the East Pacific coasts of deep North across Bering Straights, or they landed in N. America and migrated north from there. They could be Meshech but the evidence would seem to indicate Tubal, since Mongolians are still in that region to this day.

We have other races to account for such as Black races in the SE Pacific, some of whom have partial blond hair. And we have Polynesian races, and Australian type brown skinned types who share a look of looks with real Indians (Hindu). There are apparent Asiatic looking peoples in South and Central America and some in Mexico, too. So we have a number of races to account for.

but we may have a good hint. Mexicans call themselves Meshica (Me-Shee-kah. X is often used as a "z," "sh," "cks," and even zh similar to sh. Mex-i-co (Mecks-ee-ko/cho. Now I just say Mecks-shee-chah. I make the Mecks a Mesh, and we have Mesh-ee-chah. Meshech-a or just Meshech. Could Mexicans be partially related to or descended from Polyneisan tribes? Maybe mixed with Mongolian, too, or others. I could go deeply into similarities of culture on both sides of the Pacific, but that will have to wait for another article.

But since Javan's descendants were said to colonize and occupy the coasts and isles of the nations, I think they, along with Mongolians, tended to settle many coasts in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. They are the best qualified, given how little info we have overall. Meshach and Tubal often appear together in the Scriptures. But for sure, these were all involved together and had the connections to be great sailors by means of Tyre/Phoenicia, Javan, and Tarshish.

Meshech is a name found in many races and place names so it is not likely that anything can be determined just by the appearance of that name.

I might point out as well, sine we are discussing names and places, that very early in history, after Noah and family left the ark and began to breed, that all sons and descendants were lving in the general area of SW Turkey and heading toward Greece (west) and toward Persia (east), and slightly NE on both sides of the Black Sea. These are the locations given for many names we see. But these were not the final destinations for most races.

As well, you can be assured that some mixing of the breeds was quite common, in the very early days, since they were all one big close family for a brief time. It is hard to identify who is what race or color by which son of Noah fathered them since their descendants could have mixed and likely did. And races continued to mix so that the Mediterranean was very mixed by the time that Tyre was king of the seas. A clear distinct picture without the help of genetic, historical accounts, and linguistics, is impossible and even with the 3 kind of info I mention, it is still a challenge.

I want you to next consider some more on Javan, and his descendants' possible migrations. <<

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On Javan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_language
Javanese language
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Not to be confused with Japanese language.
"Bahasa Jawi" redirects here. For the Malay dialect spoken in Pattani, Thailand, see Pattani Malay.
Javanese language (Javanese: basa Jawa, Javanese script: ꦧꦱꦗꦮ, Indonesian: bahasa Jawa) is the language of the Javanese people from the central and eastern parts of the island of Java, in Indonesia. There are also pockets of Javanese speakers in the northern coast of western Java. It is the native language of more than 75,500,000 people (more than 30% of total population in Indonesia).
Javanese is part of the Austronesian family, and is therefore related to Indonesian and other Malay varieties. Most speakers of Javanese also speak Indonesian: for official and commercial purposes, and to communicate with non-Javanese Indonesians.
There are speakers of Javanese in Malaysia (concentrated in the states of Selangor and Johor) and Singapore. Some people of Javanese descent in Suriname (the Dutch colony of Suriname until 1975) speak a creole descendant of the language.
Javanese is a Nuclear Malayo-Polynesian language. It is otherwise not particularly close to other languages and is difficult to classify, though not too dissimilar from neighboring languages such as Malay, Sundanese, Madurese, and Balinese.

>> Since Javanese is not close to other langauges, we might ask from a Bible standpoint, who is most likely to produce such an anomalous language, that makes up a substantial population and type of people? Shem, Ham, or Japeth? Most Semitic languages, whether from Ham or Shem, seem to have many relations. This might be due only to the fact they lived around each other in perhaps the most densely packed population center in the early days, and because the 1st empires were created there and any given empire was going to enforce one dominant language over the territories and peoples they controlled. Some language got homogenized and assimilated into a number of common tendencies.

But for those who "escaped" the place of origin near to Turkey, where the ark landed with Noah and family grew from there, these only had a few influences and since many were spread out over many islands and coasts, they were not as prone or vulnerable to empires directly, as those on the mainland would be. People of the islands were also likely among the first to make it to the Americas. I would also suggest that Noah's sons, or other descendants had a part in gathering animals from around the world and alsd putting them back in their natural habitants. So some were likely sent to the Americas to set certain animals free. Same for Australia.

It seems clear from a brief statement that the great sailors and adventurers were all from the sons of Japheth, Gen. 10 says that Japheth's sons settled the isles of the earth. So I think it most likely that since Javan is a son of Japheth and his sons all seemed to inhabit islands, that these are likely the ones who settled SE Asian islands and Americas. I have more on this a little down in this article.

I might also point out, that we know a fair amount of some names of Genesis 10 & 11, but the names we know the least of, tend to be those of Javan's sons. They settled on islands but did not remain identified on them. Phoenician sea peoples became the dominant ones and most Greeks were identified as Javan alone. Either his sons lost their identity, or they moved so as not to continue their identity. I say they moved.

As well, when I discussed Kittim, a son of Javan, Jacob Meyer who was head of the Assemblies of Yahweh (his son of the same name still is), suggests that Kittim was to be found in and near to China. That he suggests this region is interesting, no? We are still in Wikipedia below continued from above.<<

The language is spoken in Central and East Java, as well as on the north coast of West Java. In Madura, Bali, Lombok, and the Sunda region of West Java, it is also used as a literary language. It was the court language in Palembang in South Sumatra, until the palace was sacked by the Dutch in the late 18th century.
Javanese is written with the Javanese script, Arabo-Javanese script, Arabic script (modified for Javanese), and Latin script.[2]
Javanese is the largest language (in terms of native speakers) without any official status anywhere.[3] It is spoken or understood by approximately 80 million people. At least 45% of the total population of Indonesia are of Javanese descent or live in an area where Javanese is the dominant language. Five out of the six Indonesian presidents since 1945 have been of Javanese descent. It is therefore not surprising that Javanese has a deep impact on the development of Indonesian, the national language of Indonesia, which is itself a modern development from Malay.

>>Wikipedia says its not to be confused with Japanese. Really? Why not? The spellings are almost identical. There are good reasons for that, too, that I will show.  Consider some of the possibilities in spellings. Java! Why does it not have the n with it? is "nese" a typical ending? I find the "ese" is. I find that "sia" and "sian" are! Take Indonesia, for example. Is it Indo-nesia or Indon-esia. Japan (Nippon) has an "n." Indo is from indu, which is also Hindu. But Malay is Malaysia, likely named by European conquerors.

Look at these words from earlier: Malay, Sundanese, Madurese, and Balinese. Do you see any nese's on the ends? I don't. I see Sundan, which looks close to Sudan in Africa. Bali and Java, both get "n"s, but do not have it with the root name. But others do not have the n, but could. Why? More coming.

I supply location material in two small quotes below. <<

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/301727/Java-Sea
Java Sea, Indonesian Laut Jawa,  portion of the western Pacific Ocean between the islands of Java and Borneo. It is bordered by Borneo (Kalimantan) on the north, the southern end of Makassar Strait on the northeast, Celebes and the Flores and Bali seas on the east, Java on the south, the Sunda Straits to the Indian Ocean on the southwest, Sumatra on the west, and the islands of Bangka and Belitung (bordering the South China Sea) on the northwest.

http://www.pacificislandtravel.com/asia/indonesia/about_destin/java.html
Java, main island of Indonesia
Java is broken into three parts: West Java, which encompasses the nation's capital, Jakarta; Central Java, containing the ancient capital Yogyakarta, an area rich in culture and tradition; and East Java with its temple sites, unspoiled beaches, awesome volcanoes, highland lakes, colourful marine gardens and wildlife reserves. The island of Madura, famous for its bull races, is also part of this province and has its own traditions and a different language.

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>>This next source if a very good one for my ideas. I rule out the Jomon culture of Japan because I believe it is a pre-flood culture and therefore, irrelevant to any migrations taking place after the flood.<<

http://languagesoftheworld.info/historical-linguistics/javanese-influence-on-japanese.html
Javanese influence on Japanese
May 9, 2011 by Asya Pereltsvaig

In the previous posting, I discussed the issue of the (pre)historic Japanese homeland. Scholars of Japanese prehistory typically distinguish two cultures that merged to create the Japanese culture as we know it: the earlier Jōmon culture and the later Yayoi culture. The question is where these cultures/peoples came from? As discussed in the previous posting, linguistic evidence suggests that one of the groups came from Korea and brought with it (influences of) an Altaic language, whereas the other group is Austronesian in origin and came from Taiwan or some other place where an Austronesian language is spoken.

>>Linguistics suggests 2 cultures, but not necessarily Jomon. Altaic is the family of Turkic and Mongolian as well. Imagine that! Austronesian will be covered shortly.<<

Quite a converse view is defended by Ann Kumar in her Globalizing the Prehistory of Japan: Language, Genes and Civilization (Routledge, 2009). She puts together an argument from linguistics, genetics, physical anthropology and comparative mythology for a pivotal late prehistoric migration from Java to Japan. Kumar makes claims of an immigration of elites from the island of Java in Indonesia which brought hierarchical society to Japan, with rice and key myths of origin and power, as well as traditions of metalurgy and theatre. Crucially, for Kumar it is the Yayoi culture that came from Austronesian speaking lands, not the Jōmon culture.

>>The more she talks, the better I look (only symbolically). Watch this! If I use Javan rather than Java, Javan > Japan. Just the middle letter varies. How bout dat! But her scenario explains why we get mixtures of Mongolian looks with Asiatic/Polynesian looks in the Americas.<<

One archeological argument for her theory relies on the claim that there have actually been no prehistoric paddy fields yet excavated in China (p. 29), or in Korea for that matter. However, there is good evidence that rice was domesticated in the fifth millenium BCE in the Yangtze, with rice fields making appearance in the Shandong peninsula just west of Korea as early as the third millenium BCE.
>>the problem here is that those dates are before the flood and those cultures got wiped out. So Ann Kumar's theory holds up well. No Jomon!<<

Plant genetics must be further invoked in order to sort out the relationship of the Japanese japonica rice and the Javanese javanica rice, as well as the domestication history of other relevant plants, including barnyard millet, azuki bean and Cannabis. Human genetics evidence too seems to provide some support to Kumars claims but also raises some problems for her theory: it appears that, all in all, the more ancient genetic lineages in Japan share their ancestry with Central Asian, Northwest Chinese and Tibetans, whereas genetic affinities between Japan, Southeast China and Southeast Asia are found in younger lineages.

>>She forgot that it was the elite minority that came from Java to settle Japan, whose majority were of the old lineages. So Ann Kumar's theory stays in tact.<<

Finally, in chapter 6 of her book, Kumar provides some linguistic evidence for Javanese influence on (Old) Japanese. However, she does not claim that Japanese is an Austronesian language, deriving from some form of proto-Javanese. Instead, she maintains that the precursor of Javanese provided a super-stratum language that affected the precursor of (Old) Japanese. This is indeed what we would expect if the Javanese influence on Japanese results from an immigration of elites rather than mass settlement, just as was the case with the Vikings making large lexical contributions to the English language or the Turkic speakers making a similar contribution to the Russian language. In her book, Kumar identifies 82 plausible Javanese-Japanese cognates and points out that many of them involve such areas as rice cultivation.

>>Below, is a brief synopsis of the area of Indonesia, which includes Java.<<

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/id.htm
Indonesia, with over 18,000 counted islands, is by far the largest and most varied archipelago on Earth. It spans almost 2 million square kilometers between Asia and Australia.
Positioned on the Equator, across a region of immense volcanic activity, Indonesia has some 400 volcanoes within its borders, with at least 90 still active in some way.
        Many of the islands here are still uninhabited, with the larger islands of Java, Kalimantan (Borneo), Irian Jaya (Papua), Sumatra and Sulawesi home to most of the population base.

Forming a bulk of the modern population are Austronesian peoples, who migrated from Taiwan around 2000 BC seeking out the ideal agricultural conditions. The strategic sea-lane positioning of Indonesia also played host to the cultivation of international trade with China and Indian kingdoms.

Through the early centuries AD a number of small states flourished across Indonesia, including the Tarumanagara who produced some of the earliest known inscriptions on Java island.

>> Since settlement was only about 350 years after the flood waters receded, then the first migrations were very early and somewhat uncluttered and unmixed. But being amongst islands and water, shipping was easy to and from most locations. 4,000 years have passed between the first settling and today, so that we should reasonably expect most traces of linguistics to have gotten diluted and changed. But Javan survives as a name and Japan not much different. Much like Tubal and Tobolsk. The Indian Ocean and the SE Asian Pacific offered great trading opportunities and mixing of peoples.

I can not say definitively that I have the answers but I do offer enough evidence that further investigation would certainly be merited. I believe that some who have tried to link most Bible names to Western Europe and the Americas, are missing some important possibilities in not going east from the Mid-East, rather than west.

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I want to briefly consider Austronesia now.<<

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The Austronesian-speaking peoples[4] are various populations in Southeast Asia and Oceania that speak languages of the Austronesian family. They include Taiwanese aborigines; the majority ethnic groups of East Timor, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei, Madagascar, Micronesia, and Polynesia, as well as the Polynesian peoples of New Zealand and Hawaii, and the non-Papuan people of Melanesia. They are also found in Singapore, the Pattani region of Thailand, and the Cham areas of Vietnam (remnants of the Champa kingdom which covered central and southern Vietnam), Cambodia, and Hainan, China. The territories populated by Austronesian-speaking peoples are known collectively as Austronesia

>>I notice the name Cham. That is the Hebrew form of Ham, son of Noah. Since Ham's sons settled Egypt and parts of East Afirca, she was likely to end up among the sons of Javan as they traded and sailed around. At least a good possibility.<<

The Austronesian peoples of Maritime Southeast Asia sailed eastward, and spread to the islands of Melanesia and Micronesia between 1200 BC and 500 AD respectively. The Austronesian inhabitants that spread westward through Maritime Southeast Asia had reached some parts of mainland Southeast Asia, and later on Madagascar.[13][15]

Sailing from Melanesia, and Micronesia, the Austronesian peoples discovered Polynesia by 1000 BC. These people settled most of the Pacific Islands. They had settled Easter Island by 300 AD, Hawaii by 400 AD, and into New Zealand by about 1280 AD. In the Indian Ocean they sailed west from Maritime Southeast Asia; the Austronesian peoples reached Madagascar by 0500 AD.[16][17]

The Taiwan hypothesis is mainly based on linguistic and partly archaeological evidence, and says nothing about genes or the oldest migrations to East Asia and the initial colonizing of the area, only about the migration that led to the spread of the Austronesian languages.

The new findings from HUGO (Human Genome Organization) also shows that Asia was populated primarily through a single migration event from the south.[19] They found genetic similarities between populations throughout Asia and an increase in genetic diversity from northern to southern latitudes. Although the Chinese population is very large, it has less variation than the smaller number of individuals living in South East Asia, because the Chinese expansion occurred very recently, following the development of rice agriculture within only the last 10,000 years.

Genomic analysis of cultivated coconut (Cocos nucifera) has shed light on the movements of Austronesian peoples. By examining 10 microsatelite loci, researchers found that there are 2 genetically distinct subpopulations of coconut one originating in the Indian Ocean, the other in the Pacific Ocean. However, there is evidence of admixture, the transfer of genetic material, between the two populations. Given that coconuts are ideally suited for ocean dispersal, it seems possible that individuals from one population could have floated to the other. However, the locations of the admixture events are limited to Madagascar and coastal east Africa and exclude the Seychelles. This pattern coincides with the known trade routes of Austronesian sailors. Additionally, there is a genetically distinct subpopulation of coconut on the eastern coast of South America which has undergone a genetic bottleneck resulting from a founder effect; however, its ancestral population is the Pacific coconut, which suggests that Austronesian peoples may have sailed as far east as the Americas [20]

>>I had just finished watching a portion of a show on PBS World today in late afternoon, March 24, 2013, and It was on Indonesia/Malaysia. I have also seen many shows of the various islands throughout and India, and all around. I might point out that the populations are quite varied, yet certain traits do stand out for several proto-types. I also see similarities between the looks of the Asian side of the Pacific and the Americas side of the Pacific.

Most significant of all this is that the Bible makes it clear in: <<
Genesis 10:

2  The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3  And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4  And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5  By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

>>Only the sons of Japeth were given credit for inhabiting or settling the isles, which are thousands just in the SE Asian Pacific region. Ham and Shem are just said to be in their land, tongues, families, and nations. So we would expect to find Japheth's descendants throughout these Asian Migrations, especially the islands of the SE Asian coasts and around Australia. And that is the way it looks. But I am sure the picture is not simple, but quite scrambled, after 4,000 years have passed. But with genetic and linguistic evidence at hand, some of that confusion disappears and the picture, at least in the broad view, is quite clear. That some names still exist, long after they have been forgotten as to their source, is most remarkable.<<


Ezekiel 27: 14-36
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Ezekiel 27:
14  They of the house of Togarmah traded for your wares with horses and war-horses and mules.

>>Togarmah is most likely the father of the Celtic peoples, being the sons of Gomer, who fathered both Celtic tribes and Teutonic/Gothic tribes as well. The early Celts, going by other names, were clearly horse and chariot peoples/culture. They were not exclusively these, but they were among the most outstanding for horse and chariot combos. They supplied the Tyrian "Empire" with horses, which where an essential item of military power and conquest. So whether Tyre did its own fighting or supplied horses to others from Togarmah, Togarmah was an important "resource" in the "Empire" of Tyre.<<

15  The men of Dedan were your traffickers; many isles were the mart of your hand: they brought you in exchange horns of ivory and ebony.

>> Clarke's Commentary: The men of Dedan] Dedan was one of the descendants of Abraham by Keturah, and dwelt in Arabia, #Ge 25:3. Ivory and ebony might come from that quarter. By way of distinction ivory is called both in Hebrew שׁן shen, and in Arabic [Arabic] shen, the TOOTH, as that beautiful substance is the tooth of the elephant. <<

16  Syria was your merchant by reason of the multitude of your handiworks: they traded for your wares with emeralds, purple, and broidered work, and fine linen, and coral, and rubies.   >> Ah, luxury items obtained from Assyria. Tyre loved wealth and luxury!<<
17  Judah, and the land of Israel, they were your traffickers: they traded for your merchandise wheat of Minnith, and pannag, and honey, and oil, and balm.

>>Every great empire needs lots of food, either to consume or trade with. Judah/Israel was primarily a food producing nation. Judah and Israel were fed well, but otherwise did not have many resources that made good profit. God did not want them becoming too business oriented, as I see it. But she would not remain that way. Nor did God want other nations to be desirous or envious of Israel, so He selected an area with few natural resources that empires would find quite desirable.<<

18  Damascus was your merchant for the multitude of your handiworks, by reason of the multitude of all kinds of riches, with the wine of Helbon, and white wool.    
>>Damascus was in Syria, near to Israel, and was a re-seller for Tyre.<<

19  Dan and Javan traded with yarn for your wares: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were among your merchandise.
>> Javan was with Tubal and Meshech earlier. Now he is with Dan, of all people. This was more likely in the Mediterranean, and further suggests that Javan was busy somewhere else with Tubal and Meshech. Dan is mentioned apart from Israel. Maybe not all of Dan, though not certain. Some from Dan could have ventured out from Israel to live elsewhere, though not with God's pleasure. Dan was "in ships" in the period of the Judges. So he was familiar with sailing. And they made yarn, we are told, and they traded with Tyre, being allies of Javan/Greece.

This will be an important piece of information that might help solve any Danny boy connections, if any can be discerned. Dan is linked to Greece in another source as well to come, in this article.<<

20  Dedan was your trafficker in precious cloths for riding.  >>he was mentioned in 15.<<
21  Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar, they were the merchants of your hand; in lambs, and rams, and goats, in these were they your merchants.
22  The traffickers of Sheba and Raamah, they were your traffickers; they traded for your wares with the chief of all spices, and with all precious stones, and gold.
23  Haran and Canneh and Eden, the traffickers of Sheba, Asshur and Chilmad, were your traffickers.
24  These were your traffickers in choice wares, in wrappings of blue and broidered work, and in chests of rich apparel, bound with cords and made of cedar, among your merchandise.
25  The ships of Tarshish were your caravans for your merchandise: and you were replenished, and made very glorious in the heart of the seas.
26  Your rowers have brought you into great waters: the east wind hath broken you in the heart of the seas.
27  Your riches, and your wares, your merchandise, your mariners, and your pilots, your calkers, and the dealers in your merchandise, and all your men of war, that are in thee, with all your company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the heart of the seas in the day of your ruin.
28  At the sound of the cry of your pilots the suburbs shall shake.
29  And all that handled the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the sea, shall come down from their ships; they shall stand upon the land,
30  and shall cause their voice to be heard over you, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes:
31  and they shall make themselves bald for you, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for you in bitterness of soul with bitter mourning.
32  And in their wailing they shall take up a lamentation for you, and lament over thee, saying, Who is there like Tyre, like her that is brought to silence in the midst of the sea?
33  When your wares went forth out of the seas, you filled many peoples; you did enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of your riches and of your merchandise.
34  In the time that you were broken by the seas in the depths of the waters, your merchandise and all your company did fall in the midst of you.
35  All the inhabitants of the isles are astonished at you, and their kings are horribly afraid; they are troubled in their countenance.
36  The merchants among the peoples hiss at you; you have become a terror, and you shall nevermore have any being.

>> Again, this sounds so much like the fall of Babylon the Great, as well as Habakkuk's Chaldeans, too. This trade network is very impressive and very extensive. Tyre's mercantile empire is a wonder and she had it all. I do believe that this is to further illustrate the incredible wealth of Babylon the Great, and we are to discern that because of the many similarities to Babylon the Great's fall in Revelation and the Chaldeans fall in Habakkuk.

Now notice in 27, that all Tyre's allies fall into the heart of the sea with Tyre. This did not happen in the past, at least all at once, so there must be an end time application intended here. In fact, Tyre lived and survived in Carthage till 146 BC. Rome would eventually defeat all Carthage's allies. Further, the king of Babylon did not bring the fall of Tyre. Alexander of Macedonia Took out Tyre, but Carthage survived for Rome. The complete and extensive waste we see here never happened the 1st time. It is meant primarily for the 2nd fulfillment due in the very last days. So Tyre must one and the same as Babylon the Great. It could not be otherwise.

Revelation says that Babylon the Great's Empire, falls in 1 day, in fact, 1 hour. It is swift, certain, and severe. And many of her allies mourn her fall, but do so from a distance and likely in secret, because they fear attack themselves, if they are caught sympathizing with her. So in this respect, Babylon's whole empire and its connections, all come to an end in a very short time, not 120 years or more as it took for Greater Phoenica to fall.

I spoke earlier of Tyre's invisible power of the seas, which preserved her empire and sustained it. As you know, ships are not invisible. Fleets and armadas are even more visible, overt, blatant. Yet that said, fleets look like they have another purpose, that is, business and trade, "legitimate" ventures, of course. But business, as we have better seen here in the last days, can be sued to ages war and cause real and devastating harm to nations and peoples.

As well, forts stand out. Rome cause much concern among her neighbors in her early days, for they observed and remarked that Rome looked more like a fort than a city. So when the next great ruler after Romulus, Numa Pompilius, was set in power, Rome went about building numerous temples and ceremonies so that they might appear to have abandoned war and ambition and devoted themselves to the gods. And the neighboring towns and cities fell for it! Appearances do matter. Tyre was not unaware of this, I am sure. But here is another aspect to consider.

The isle of Crete, had in the culture of the ancient Minoans, Caphtorim we assume at that time, had no forts or city walls, as if undefended or unconcerned. she was surrounded by water and could not be attacked except by sea and ships. The sea was her walls and fortifications. AS well, there was a great building in Knossos in Crete, where royalty resided and administrative functions took place and many storage areas. It was the inspiration for the mythical Labyrinth of Minos. It was not symmetrical and was quite confusing for any stranger venturing into it.

That was the intention. Those who lived or worked there knew their way around just fine. Any attacker would be hopelessly vulnerable and almost certain to die. These are ways to hide defenses, to appear as if you had none, and had no intentions of conquering. But it is subterfuge, for sure, a decoy of decoys. Crete's ships were her defense as well as her livelihood. Early Minoans/Cretans has a great network of allies, so that she had good information and protection, too. This network was as important as any of her other protections.

I recommend my newly published article on Crete, on my sister site, Truth1.info. You should check it out! Take me to Crete now to learn. I'll put it in the Related Articles section at the end of this article.<<


Isaiah's Sinim

I need to inject a scripture now from Isaiah 49:12. It addresses a "Sinim," a place far remote and away toward the south and likely the east, too. First, the scripture.

Isaiah 49 starts out addressing Isaiah himself, having been formed and chosen while in the womb (predestined) to preach a hope for Jacob/Israel of the future. "Israel" is to be gathered together from all over the earth in the last days. So this Israel is those who accept and receive Jehovah (and not the Talmud that contradicts) in the last days, a symbolic figurative Israel, those loyal to God's first and only message when the rest of the world has rejected it for the devil. That is Verses 1-11. Now 12:

KJV) Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

There is a son of Ham in Genesis 10: 17 for which his descendants are called Sinites. Same root word from which we get Sinim. Whether they are related or not, no one knows. Many people have the same name. But the Sinim of Isaiah seems to indicate a place far away. Ezra also mentions the same Sinites in his repetition of the sons of Canaan, of Ham, in 1 Chronicles 1.

The contrast is made between those in the north and west and those from the land of Sinim. Most seem to think it is China, with which I agree. More on that in a minute. But Sinim would appear to be somewhat the opposite of north and west. Perhaps south or south and east. I want to let others give their suggestions and then I will point some things out to you. Israel would be brought back from the far ends of the earth. But the "world' of the time of Isaiah was smaller in scope than what we have today.

The following was referenced in my (Windows) Online Bible 4.07.07 as SNB as a dictionary or commentary:

>>(:סינים [Pερσαι: terra australis]), a people noticed in, {#Isa 49:12} as living at the extremity of the known world, either in the south or east. The majority of the early interpreters adopted the former view, but the LXX in giving Pερσαι favours the latter, and the weight of modern authority is thrown into the same scale, the name being identified by Gesenius, Hitzig, Knobel, and others, with the classical Sinae, the inhabitants of the southern part of China. No locality in the south equally commends itself to the judgment: Sin, the classical Pelusium, which Bochart (Phaleg, iv. 27) suggests, is too near, and Syene (Michaelis, Spicil. ii. 32) would have been given in its well-known Hebrew form.

There is no priori improbability in the name of the Sinae being known to the inhabitants of Western Asia in the age of Isaiah; for though it is not mentioned by the Greek geographers until the age of Ptolemy, it is certain that an inland commercial route connected the extreme East with the West at a very early period, and that a traffic was maintained on the frontier of China between the Sinae and the Scythians, in the manner still followed by the Chinese and the Russians at Kiachta. If any name for these Chinese traders traveled westward, it would probably be that of the Sinae, whose town Thinae (another form of the Sinae) was one of the great emporiums in the western part of China, and is represented by the modern Thsin or Tin, in the province of Schensi. The Sinae attained an independent position in Western China as early as the 8th century b. c., and in the 3d century b. c. established their sway under the dynasty of Tsin over the whole of the empire. The Rabbinical name of China, Tsin, as well as "China" itself, was derived from this dynasty (Gesen. Thes. s. v.). W. L. B.
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>>I might add that China was/has been, a far greater empire in the past than has been recognized until only recently and maybe not that much yet. China was not such a large and united nation as she is now, but her rivers have always supported substantial trade routed in and out of China and into the Indian Ocean and by means of the inland Silk Road, which is slower travel and with far more difficulty. Never the less, the Silk Road is a long traveled on and not insignificant.<<

Sinim     From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinim

        The land of Sin (Hebrew: סִין‎), also known as Sinim (from: Hebrew: סִינִים‎, i.e. the inhabitants of the land of Sin), is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, in the Book of Isaiah 49:12: "Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim."[1]

Some scholars have claimed that Sinim is a variant name for not-so-distant Phoenicia and others as a reference to Syene or to the desert of Sinai. Some have even associated Sin with China, the root word of Sinim, Sinae resembling the Latinization of Qin, after the Qin (state), founded 778 BC and Qin dynasty, founded in 221 BC by Qin Shi Huang-Di. At the time of the prophecy there was no one China, but many small states.

See also     Sinology

References     1.       Jump up ^ "Wikisource: Book of Isaiah: 49:12" (in Hebrew).

External links     An Article arguing that Sinim is an ancient Semitic/Phoenician name for Australia

Sinology

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinology

Sinology literally means the study of China and Chinese topics. Sinology may also refer more strictly to the study of classical language and literature, with a philological approach, perhaps in an American academic context. Its origin, says one recent survey, "may be traced to the examination which Chinese scholars made of their own civilization."[1]

In the context of area studies, the European and the American usages differ. In Europe, Sinology is usually known as Chinese Studies, whereas in the United States, Sinology is a subfield of Chinese Studies. The Australian scholar Geremie R. Barm offers a "New Sinology," one which "emphasizes strong scholastic underpinnings in both the classical and modern Chinese language and studies, at the same time as encouraging an ecumenical attitude in relation to a rich variety of approaches and disciplines, whether they be mainly empirical or more theoretically inflected."[2]

Terminology

Sino- is derived from Late Latin Sinae from the Greek Sinae from the Arabic Sin which in turn may derive from Qin (Ch'in), that is, the Qin Dynasty (Ch'in Dynasty).[3] 

 

From the following:
Isabel Lin
              http://isabeljlin.blogspot.com/2010/05/sinim-china.html

06 May 2010                       Sinim - China?

The reasons for my belief that Sinim in Isa 49:12 is likely to be modern-day China:

  1. There have been a number of interpretations of where Sinim might have been. Some say that the location of Sinim is in the Aswan region of Egypt, some say ancient Rome, others say Phoenicia, still some claimed it refers to the desert of Sinai, and to others Australia. After a deeper study, I found that only 2 interpretations stand to the test. First interpretation is that Sinim is located on the extreme South of Jerusalem. Second interpretation is that Sinim is located on the far East to Jerusalem. This second interpretation strongly supports the stand that Sinim is made in reference to China since China lies on the far East of Jerusalem.
  2. The name "Sinim" is still used today in many places in the Middle East - in Egypt, Israel and other places. A Chinese restaurant is known as a Sinim restaurant. A Chinese tourist, when conversing with the locals, at times has to identify himself as from the land of 'Sinim' instead of 'China'. Of course, I think further verification is required as to whether the name 'Sinim' that is still in use today with reference to China is the same biblical 'Sinim' in Isa 49.
  3. In the Chinese Bible, the other name for 'Sinim' is 'Qin Guo' (秦国). During Isaiah's time, China was not one unified country yet. At that time, Under the Zhuo dynasty, China was made up of hundreds of states, whereby the state of Qin was only one of them. It was later on that the state of Qin emerged as one of the 14 major states. It was not until almost 500 years after Isaiah that the Qin dynasty was established, and the name Qin represented the Middle Kingdom, China. We need to understand that Isaiah was a prophet of God. He prophesied much about the 2nd coming of Christ, and about Cyrus, King of Persia, some 200 years ahead.

What is the importance in understanding that China is mentioned in the Bible? What are its implications?

  1. One of the 'conditions' in ushering in the 2nd coming of Jesus is the fulfillment of the Great Commission. I believe that China plays a key role in fulfilling the Great Commission and in this last lap of in bringing the gospel back to Jerusalem (Mat. 28:19).

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 From the following:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Siam
Siam (saɪˈm; ˈsaɪm)
n
1. (Placename) the former name (until 1939 and 1945-49) of Thailand
2. (Placename) Gulf of Siam an arm of the South China Sea between the Malay Peninsula and Indochina the former name of (the Gulf of) Thailand2

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From the following:

Siam Thai Etymology

http://www.pcsiam.com/siam-thai-etymology-etymology-siam.html
Thailand was formally known as Siam Thai. This independent country is a part of Southeast Asia. In this article we will share precise information on Siam Thai etymology. Till June 23, 1939 the official name of the country was Siam Thai but it was changed to Thailand. It was then renamed Siam from 1945 to May 11, 1939. Later on the country was again renamed as Thailand. Siam which is also spelled Siem, Syam or Syama has been identified with the Sanskrit word Syama meaning dark or brown. The names Shan and A-hom seem to be variants of the same word, and Śyma is possibly not its origin but a learned and artificial distortion. Read on to know more about Thailand etymology.

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From the following:
Chinese language
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language

 Chinese (汉语 or 漢語, Hnyǔ) is a group of related language varieties, several of which are not mutually intelligible, and is variously described as a language or language family.[a] Originally the indigenous speech of the Han majority in China, Chinese forms one of the branches of the Sino-Tibetan language family. About one-fifth of the world's population, or over one billion people, speaks some form of Chinese as their first language.

Most linguists classify all the varieties of Chinese language as part of the Sino-Tibetan language family and believe that there was an original Proto-Sino-Tibetan language from which the Sinitic and Tibeto-Burman languages descended. The relation between Chinese and other Sino-Tibetan languages is an area of active research, as is the attempt to reconstruct the proto-language. The main difficulty in this effort is that, while there is enough documentation to allow one to reconstruct the ancient Chinese sounds, there is no written documentation that records the division between Proto-Sino-Tibetan and ancient Chinese. In addition, many of the older languages that would allow us to reconstruct Proto-Sino-Tibetan are very poorly understood and many of the techniques developed for analysis of the descent of the (fusional) Indo-European languages from Proto-Indo-European do not apply to Chinese, an analytic language, because of the paucity of inflectional morphemes in modern varieties.[5]

Categorization of the development of Chinese is a subject of scholarly debate.

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Next up,  I say, is from a Zionist with political agenda influencing his various choices. Nevertheless, he has a few good point not discussed in any of the above quotes.

From the following:
http://britam.org/Proof/geo/geoAustralia.html

>>The Israelite exiled subjects of the Assyrian Empire eventually overthrew their Assyrian masters (with the Medes and others), and established their own kingdoms which stretched from the Black Sea to northern India. After some time their subject people rose up against the Hebrews and drove them out of Asia. They migrated westward through the Caucus Mountains and , in their millions, flooded into Europe where they settled till this day in Western and Northern Europe, the British Isles and Ireland , usually alongside their brethren who had settled in these same locations centuries earlier, after direct exile from Israel or the Mediterranean Israelite colonies. From these locations they expanded into the New World.

The House of Israel is now where Isaiah and other prophets said they would be at this time, to the North and West (north - west) of Israel, from Scandinavia through to Ireland, and further westward to the North American continent. But where is this land called Sinim which Isaiah referred to?

Sinim is a Hebrew word which means southern land. It does not refer to Egypt or Africa , as some of the less reliable English translations of the Bible have erroneously translated . The scholars who translated the Hebrew Bible into English for the King James Version of the Bible, from 1604 to 1611, were puzzled by this word Sinim and did not know what land it referred to as Australasia (Australia and New Zealand) had not yet been discovered. To their credit, the translators of the King James Bible retained the Hebrew word Sinim instead of replacing it with some speculative imaginings.

An earlier translation of the Hebrew Bible into Latin was undertaken by Jerome in the 5th century , and he too was puzzled by this word Sinim. Jerome went to the Rabbis for their guidance , and they told Jerome it meant a southern land which was still not known. The Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible therefore renders Sinim as terra australi, which is Latin for land in the south.

Isaiah 49:12 ecceisti de longe venient et ecce illi ab aquilone et marietisti de terra australi ( Latin Vulgate Bible)

While it is interesting that Australia is named after the Latin form of the Hebrew word Sinim, this in itself is not sufficient proof that Australia is the Land of Sinim mentioned in Isaiah 49, but this interesting coincidence should be borne in mind while we look at the other proofs.

Australia and New Zealand, like the North American continent, were populated by a mixture of people from the British Isles initially, and latter by migrants from other European and other nations. Researchers have traced the migration of the Northern Ten Tribes of Israel to Scandinavia , Western Europe and the British Isles, whose descendants are now represented in Australia and New Zealand. The nations of Australia and New Zealand , together with Britain, United States of America, and Canada (the English speaking world) therefore qualify as the Israelite nations of Joseph due to their ancestry and their prophetic fulfillment of the following prophecies from  .  .  .
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>>His interpretation, as best as I can tell, is to find in favor of the Allied nations who have long been the victors of recent centuries and part of the great British empire and all joined at the hip in business and political agendas. And all are desired as accomplices in many past and future planned wars to subdue enemies of Zionist ambitions to bring about the temple restoration and antichrist. Be very careful of these types.

>>Speaking of Zionists, the following, a group of devout followers of Charles Russell, a supreme Zionist, maybe even the arch-type, offer their opinion of Sinim, which is not bad, actually. they see it as applying to the last days, which is true. they avoid identifying who Sinim is or might be. I smell treachery, though. I suspect they might fall right in with the source just above quoted, Britam.org. I could be wrong, but time will tell.<<

Dawn Bible Students Association
Publishers of The Dawn Magazine
http://www.dawnbible.com/2006/0603-hl.htm
HIGHLIGHTS OF DAWN                  March 2006

 

THE PROPHET ISAIAH wrote the words of this text over seven hundred years before our Lord left his heavenly home, and was born into the world to become the Redeemer of the fallen human race. Although Isaiah specifically mentions the directions north and west in his prophecy, he brings special attention to the east by referring to it as the land of Sinim. The world was much less populated at that time and there was little communication with the land of Sinim which was most likely seen as the virtual end of the earth.
ISAIAHS PROPHECY
Looking down the stream of time, the prophet draws our attention (vss. 8-12), to an acceptable timethe day of salvationthat will usher in a new social order that will be established over the affairs of mankind. This promised kingdom, under the administration of our glorified Lord, together with his faithful bride class, will be manifest over the whole world, to bring blessings to all under the terms of a new and better covenant between God and mankind.

 

This kingdom will include the calling forth of the countless numbers of humanity who yet remain as prisoners of death. There will no longer be any hunger nor thirst among earths inhabitants, and nothing will hurt nor destroy under the administration of Christs kingdom of blessings for all. (Isa. 49:10; 11:9) The powerful symbol of water is used by the prophet to illustrate the gift of life and blessings that will become available to all, including those living in the furthest outreaches of the earth, even to the inhabitants of the land of Sinim.

 

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Most sources for many years if not centuries, have supported the China view of Sinim, as do I. Most recognize that since this Isaiah prophecy was for the last days, that it is prophetic and that Sinim may not even been in existence at that time but would be in the future, making it a remarkable prophecy. However, because we can not be absolutely certain, we can not say for certain. But we know that it is a land very far to the south and maybe east, too, which does favor China. "Israel" is to be gathered together from all far distant places. I think China is by far the most likely conclusion to make. but keep in mind, it is symbolic, which means China is used as indicating great distance, to the south and maybe east, which it also is and it is very remote and removed from Western Empires until after the fall of Rome and beginning of the middle ages of say, 1000 AD, when shipping was growing ever more important, in all areas and arenas of the globe.

I inserted this part on China here in this article/essay, since Ezekiel identified so many different peoples and nations belonging to the Tyrian/Sidonian/Carthaginian/Phoenician Empire. I am suspecting at this point that China may well represent part of the ships of Kittim and King of the South prophesied in Daniel chaps. 10-12.

 


Ezekiel 28        26 verses
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1  The word of Jehovah came again unto me, saying,
2  Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyre, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because your heart is lifted up, and you hast said, I am a god, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet you art man, and not God, though you didst set your heart as the heart of God;
3  behold, you are wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that is hidden from you;
4  by your wisdom and by your understanding you have gotten your riches, and have gotten gold and silver into your treasures;
5  by your great wisdom and by your traffic have you increased your riches, and your heart is lifted up because of your riches;
>> Oh, look how cocky and full of himself, Tyre is. So smart and wise in the way he became fabulously rich and he got arrogant as hell and thought himself to be a god. Financial success went to his head and his heart got lifted up and he imagined himself untouchable, I imagine.<

6  therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because you hast set your heart as the heart of God,
7  therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you, the terrible of the nations; and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom, and they shall defile your brightness.
8  They shall bring you down to the pit; and you shall die the death of them that are slain, in the heart of the seas.
>> God does admit some wisdom here. Tyre is very smart and capable, but Tyre misused that brilliance and advantage to gain incredible wealth, but also arrogance and conceit, never seeing the day of his fall. But Jehovah says it will come.<<

9  Will you yet say before him that slays you, I am God? But you are man, and not God, in the hand of him that wounds you.
10 you shall die the death of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord Jehovah.
>> Was Tyre circumcised? It sounds as if he was and that he would be seen by God as uncircumcised or that the uncircumcised would kill him. Tyre sort of sounds more like Israel or Judah, since only they really cared about circumcision, sign of the covenant between God and Abraham. This is the clue God leaves behind to let us know who Tyre really is in the last days.<<
11  Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
12  Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: You sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
>>"Sealest" is typically seal or seal up, or to sum up. "Sum" could be said to be the measurement or pattern. Perhaps it might be rendered, as fix or complete the pattern. Tyre was full of himself, wasn't he?<<
Clarke's Commentary offers this:
Verse 12. Thou sealest up] This has been translated, "Thou drawest thy own likeness." "Thou formest a portrait of thyself; and hast represented thyself the perfection of wisdom and beauty." I believe this to be the meaning of the place.
Barnes notes suggests the following:
To seal the sum is to make up the whole measure of perfection. Compare the Septuagint!
From John Gill's Expositor:
and say unto him, thus saith the Lord God, thou sealest up the sum; or "pattern" {m}; of everything that is excellent; thou art in all things, consummately so, as that nothing could be added; that is, in his own esteem and account. Junius thinks it refers to the sealing of goods exported, for which a duty was to be paid, without doing which merchandise was not allowed. Antichrist would not suffer any to buy or sell but such as receive his mark or seal on their right hand, or in their forehead, #Re 13:16,17. Cocceius renders it, "the sealer of the measure" {n}; and takes it to be an allusion to the custom of sealing measures, used in buying and selling; and that it respects the man of sin, who takes upon him the power of making rules and canons for faith and practice: 

full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty; a most accomplished man for parts and person in his own conceit: antichrist assumes to himself a perfect knowledge of the Scriptures, and sets up himself as an infallible judge of controversies; and glories in the splendour and order of his church, and the government of it. 
{l} T. Bab. Bava Bathra, fol. 75. 1. 
{m} תבנית "exemplar, [sive] specimen," Tigurine version: Castalio. 
{n} "Signator mensurae," Cocceius, Starckius. 

All From Wikipedia below:

Adam Clarke (1760 or 17621832) was a British Methodist theologian and biblical scholar. He was born in the townland of Moybeg Kirley near Tobermore in Ireland.[1]

John Gill (23 November 1697 14 October 1771) was an English Baptist pastor, biblical scholar, and theologian who held to a firm Calvinistic soteriology. Born in Kettering, Northamptonshire, he attended Kettering Grammar School where he mastered the Latin classics and learned Greek by age 11. He continued self-study in everything from logic to Hebrew, his love for the latter remaining throughout his life.

Albert Barnes (December 1, 1798 December 24, 1870)[1] was an American theologian, born in Rome, New York. He graduated from Hamilton College, Clinton, New York, in 1820, and from Princeton Theological Seminary in 1823. Barnes was ordained as a Presbyterian minister by the presbytery of Elizabethtown, New Jersey, in 1825, and was the pastor successively of the Presbyterian Church in Morristown, New Jersey (18251830), and of the First Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia (18301867).

>>I do marvel that several of these men see this scripture and chapter as clearly pointing to the antichrist and that they all understood the antichrist and what he was to represent. All good arguments, too. But I never found any modern arguments that argued well and clear for the antichrist. Little wonder, really, since we are so close to the end. But these men and others like them typically wrote in the 1600s to 1800s and were far better than modern "interpreters" and "commentators." There does appear to be an air of deceit in modern theology and interpretation of prophecy, in general.

Above, we have a Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian. They were educated by mainstream methods, often with degrees. But still more loyal to truth than modern day sellouts!<<

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13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of your tabrets and of your pipes was in you; in the day that you were created they were prepared.
14 You were the anointed cherub that covers: and I set you, so that you were upon the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.
>> This sounds a lot like the description of Satan in the Garden of Eden and it is intended to, but only figuratively. Satan was no doubt, full of himself, too, back then. So it is with "Tyre" now, full of wisdom and beauty, but now iniquity has been found in Tyre. Tyre fell from grace.

But in 14 & 15, this sounds like the Ark of the Covenant "cherub that covers," upon the holy mountain of God, I assume Mt. Sinai with Moses walking in the midst of stones of fire. I say this because of God's reference to their first days, just after Exodus. Recall that the mountain had its top burned, right. The ark was built not long after Sinai.  Some suggest the temple and Mt. Zion, but Israel was not first formed here. They were brought together at Sinai, were they not?
So again, this leaves the real Tyre out of the picture. It sounds more like the founding of Israel at Sinai with Moses.<<

16  By the abundance of your traffic, they filled the midst of you with violence, and you have sinned: therefore have I cast you as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
>>To clarify the first part of 16, one need only look at verse 18, which says pretty much the same thing in the first part. I did consult Commentaries as well. So I would re-write 16 like this: By the multitude of your trading, they (the abundance of trading, the deals), filled you with violence/sin. In doing much business, it is easy to cross lines and behave horribly. Greed and competition can drive many to ignore and break almost any law, code, or conduct of decency. "Tyre" let itself get bogged down in sin by reason of their greed and power.

Surely we can all appreciate how easy it is, when competing with businessmen who have no limits as to conduct, how easy it is to let yourself be just like them to beat them, or join them in bad business conduct. Greed and power make men insane. We know what Paul says about the love of money, right? Having power that can not readily be check or restrained can cause most to venture outside the law. Because "Tyre" got bogged down in sin, she is thrown out of the mountain of God.

Here is the odd thing. God here also speaks as if "Tyre" was His, obedient at one time, to Him. Tyre is said to be in the mountain of God and cast out of it. He calls Tyre a covering cherub. Now honestly, when did Tyre ever have a relationship like this with God? If Tyre did, God forgot to put it in the Bible for us. But Israel did. Could it be her? Its gotta be!<<

17  Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you have corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness: I have cast you to the ground; I have laid you before kings, that they may behold you.
>> Knowledge is a great thing, but knowledge can be misused and abused as well. Tyre/Babylon was full of wisdom but he/she used it for the wrong purposes. It was to be used for God and His desires and Tyre used it for the enhancement of its own wealth, and to the harm of others who were used and drained of money. Knowledge is much like money in that knowledge is power. With that power comes temptation to abuse it.<<

18  By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your traffic, you have profaned your sanctuaries; therefore have I brought forth a fire from the midst of you; it has devoured you, and I have turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you.
>> Are you catching all this? Your sanctuaries? I thought only Israel had sanctuaries to God or was supposed to. Fire will come from within them and devour her.<<
19  All they that know you among the peoples shall be astonished at you: you have become a terror, and you shall nevermore have any being.
>> Any being could also be any existence. Same thing. Yeah, and this was said about "Babylon the great, too!<<
20  And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
21  Son of man, set your face toward Sidon, and prophesy against it,
>> Sidon was a city of Tyre. The 2 were as one. Sidon was a son of Canaan who founded both Tyre and Sidon, the cities.<<
22  and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against you, O Sidon; and I will be glorified in the midst of you; and they shall know that I am Jehovah, when I shall have executed judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.
>> Oh, Sidon is a "her!" How bout dat, huh?<<
23  For I will send pestilence into her, and blood into her streets; and the wounded shall fall in the midst of her, with the sword upon her on every side; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.
24  And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor a hurting thorn of any that are round about them, that did despite unto them; and they shall know that I am the Lord Jehovah.
>> Just as Tyre and Sidon are not who they seem to be, due to their being of the 2nd fulfillment, so too, with "Israel." This is the 2nd fulfillment Israel, the Israel of God in the modern day, the last days. That is, they are Christians. This is also the 2 witnesses of Revelation who are killed and lie dead for 3.5 days, a very short time.<<

25  Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the nations, then shall they dwell in their own land which I gave to my servant Jacob.
26  And they shall dwell securely therein; yea, they shall build houses, and plant vineyards, and shall dwell securely, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am Jehovah their God.
>> Now if there was any ever doubt that this was a 2nd fulfillment, verses 25-26 should silence that doubt. The secular Israel of today does not dwell in security. She did not 2500 years ago, either. In order for this to be fulfilled, we have to be talking about Armageddon and Judgment Day. There you have it! And you guys doubted me. Shame ;-) I am going back to Black text now.<<


I believe "Tyre" was used in place of "Babylon," because Tyre did have a relationship with Israel, particularly with Solomon and the building of the temple. And Tyre was a powerhouse merchant of the Mediterranean, with shipping and trading allies who likely made it to India and SE Asian waters, and all around. What Tyre was, was what Babylon the great would come to be in the last days. God really went out of His way to show how extensive Tyre's network was, and who its partners were and their functions. Tyre had a network of ship builders. A network that served as mercenary soldiers and armies. She had others who did shipping and distribution for her. She had those who helped sell her stuff. She was able buy much for herself.

We needed that view to see how extensively Tyre ruled its business empire. Descendants of all 3 sons of Noah were amply represented in all this enterprise. The whole world, practically. So it will be in the last days. Babylon the Great, the great merchant and banker, also runs the world in her day, our day now. She is cruel and harsh, but she is also very wise and intelligent, even if that skill is misused.

And this is the other, and unique reason that Tyre is used to refer to Babylon. God emphasizes Tyre's wisdom and beauty, so to speak. This is the only account I can recall where wisdom and beauty are emphasized. Tyre is no dummy, nor is Babylon the Great. He/She had much going for Her, but she let it all slip away. She got carried away with her beauty and brains, so to speak.

Some may object at this point (and yes, there are at least a few who do read these things) that Tyre is simply Tyre. Again, the descriptions do not match her 1st time or circumstance. But perhaps these objectors, if any will, ought to keep in mind that Revelation's 1st 3 chapters were designed to convey something very important which was to be used to unlock the code of prophecy. Jesus was described in many different ways and names. We were to understand that references, not only to him, but to others, including enemies, were to use different labels and often highlighting different aspects of the same character, regardless of which name was used.

Babylon the Great is the foremost name, but we now have to add Tyre and Sidon to the list. Is is the same with the antichrist, who goes by a number of names. but often, by matching up similar descriptions and taking note of prophecies that do not fit the original situation that well. This is the tell-tale sign that we are to look to the future 2nd fulfillment of the Last Days period. So yes, I do insist that Tyre, too, reveals God's and God's peoples' greatest enemy.

Now back to Wisdom and Power. Power and success are great highs. Euphoria is easy to achieve and it can make you crazy with that feeling. Let me describe it this way. Riding a motorcycle (back when you did not need insurance, so that you could afford that 4 months a year luxury in Maine) was a very intoxicating high. We don't need helmets in Maine. The warm wind blowing around you, exposed to the open air, you feel like you are flying. You lean into curves, acceleration is so much more than a car. You feel like you can soar. The danger, and there is a danger, is that you get carried away with that high, and feel invincible and you take chances, and are driven to push it to new extremes or take risks. It takes a lot to keep yourself cool and not get carried away.

But with power and success, these dwarf motorcycles. That feeling of success and control is like no other. You can have whatever you want. I mean anything! And anything becomes everything. Nothing is ever enough. The high makes you want ever more of it. Tyre and Babylon can't get enough of that high. They start acting crazy and doing crazy things. They do not know when to quit or say enough is enough. They know no restraint at all. Nothing can ruin a man like success. That is why success usually leads to downfalls. All Empires eventually fall. Men who rise to great heights often fall from grace. Recall that Babylon, the whore was drunk with the blood of the saints. She was high as kite. Put another way, pride comes before a fall.

Paul said that knowledge also puffs up, but that love builds up. We humans are very vulnerable to getting high. We are fallen creatures of Adam. It takes a very big man to keep his head and put things in perspective so that he does not get carried away. God speaks highly of Daniel and sarcastically suggests in verse 3 of Ezekiel 28, that Tyre had become more wise than Daniel. That would be quite the feat. Daniel had to have a high standing before God, given that he was granted to record the most outstanding prophecies of the Old Testament. Daniel was a sort of contemporary of Ezekiel. They were in different areas of the Babylonian Empire and each had their own assignments from God.

I might point out that Daniel, clearly authorized by Jehovah, was the only writer to ever write in another language for his scrolls/book. He wrote in the Babylonian Aramaic language. It was accepted that way by the priesthood of Ezra and those who followed after him. So for those who suggest that only Hebrew is holy or whatever, they are wrong. God can choose any damn language He wants, to communicate in. All the languages of the world were made by Him when He changed the languages in Genesis 10. No language is profane to God, just as no race is profane to God, but "in every nation, that man that fears God is acceptable to God." Fact!

I want to add just one more thing here. I am working on the symbol of the Tribe of Dan in another article, and Part 14 of the Last Days Series, "The Futility of Resistance" while adding this stuff from Ezekiel. I believe these 2 other articles are very enlightening on this subject of Babylon the Great. When they are finished, it will likely solve all the mysteries and tie them all together.

I think what could be well advised as I close out this article, is that we always want to be on guard against "success" and conceit. They are among the most dangerous intoxicants in existence. Alcohol is tame, by comparison. If something seems like a big achievement, you might want to look at it again. Whatever we do, its not that impressive. Its been done before and will be done again. What happened or will happen to "Tyre" or "Babylon" can happen to us all. Paul suggests Love as a substitute for, well, Success and Pride. Just something to keep in mind.


ASV)  Isaiah 23
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>> It seems that Isaiah, too, had something to say about Tyre, Sidon, and their Tarshish allies, due to the will and inspiration of God. Its not so different from Ezekiel, but there are a few new twists, including Isaiah chapter 24, which applies to the whole world and business as a whole. It makes it even more clear that "Tyre" is not the literal ancient Tyre, as much as it is the real complete fulfillment of the last days symbolic Tyre, which is the very same description we find in Babylon the Great and the Chaldeans of Hubakkuk.

Verse 1, Kittim is modern day Cyprus, Kittim being a son of Javan, of Japheth, of Noah.<<

Isaiah 23:
1  The burden of Tyre. Howl, you ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Kittim it is revealed to them.
2  Be still, you inhabitants of the coast, you whom the merchants of Sidon, that pass over the sea, have replenished.
3  And on great waters the seed of the Shihor, the harvest of the Nile, was her revenue; and she was the mart of nations.
4  Be you ashamed, O Sidon; for the sea hath spoken, the stronghold of the sea, saying, I have not travailed, nor brought forth, neither have I nourished young men, nor brought up virgins.

>> Verse 4 above, Tyre/Sidon did not plant nor sow, yet did they reap and benefit. They were small in population, but their "network" made them very big and very rich.
Below verse 5, we have those who mourn for the fall of Sidon, just as it is for Babylon, the Harlot.<<

5  When the report cometh to Egypt, they shall be sorely pained at the report of Tyre.
6  Pass you over to Tarshish; wail, you inhabitants of the coast.
7  Is this your joyous city, whose antiquity is of ancient days, whose feet carried her afar off to sojourn?
8  Who hath purposed this against Tyre, the bestower of crowns, whose merchants are princes, whose traffickers are the honorable of the earth?

>> Tyre made many others great and powerful. Merchants were princes, and traffickers were/are the honorable of the earth. Businessmen as kings with crowns? Are you kidding me? Does this not sound like our day and age when big Business and Finance rule the world and elect politicians and order those politicians as they please? Who purposed this fall of Tyre? Answer in 9, 1st word!<<

9  Jehovah of hosts has purposed it, to stain the pride of all glory, to bring into contempt all the honorable of the earth.
10  Pass through your land as the Nile, O daughter of Tarshish; there is no restraint any more.
11  He hath stretched out his hand over the sea, he hath shaken the kingdoms: Jehovah hath given commandment concerning Canaan, to destroy the strongholds thereof.
12  And he said, You shall no more rejoice, O you oppressed virgin daughter of Sidon: arise, pass over to Kittim; even there shall you have no rest.
13  Behold, the land of the Chaldeans: this people was not; the Assyrian founded it for them that dwell in the wilderness; they set up their towers; they overthrew the palaces thereof; they made it a ruin.
14  Howl, you ships of Tarshish; for your stronghold is laid waste.

>> Take notice all doubters. What you see below can only be applied to the last days and final judgment. God will take the vast treasure of the world, due to the prostitution of Tyre, and give it to His people, His beloved and chosen ones, the "Israel of God." It shares some similarities with Ezekiel's Gog and Magog attack upon God's people and their rescue.<<

15  And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years it shall be unto Tyre as in the song of the harlot.
16  Take a harp, go about the city, you harlot that has been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that you may be remembered.
17  And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that Jehovah will visit Tyre, and she shall return to her hire, and shall play the harlot with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
18  And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to Jehovah: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before Jehovah, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing.

>> Did you ever get the feeling that God does not like merchants and traders? It sure seems that way to me. First of all, merchants have the upper hand and advantage, for they are often the middlemen. Tyre and Sidon were middlemen, wholesalers, you might say. They buy things up cheap, and then sell through their merchant distributors (retail stores) at a vast mark-up. Those that the middlemen buy up from, are bought cheap and paid poorly for their wares, and then the middlemen resell at enormous profit.

So no one makes any great profit except the middlemen, who buy, ship, and re-sell as they please. They hold everyone at their mercy. AS well, money is often pooled by a group of merchants who then become financiers, bankers, and insurance underwiters. Then groups of Bankers join hands and become very big banks that control even kings and nations.

And it is not that God despises anyone make a living. But it is far more than just a living that these middlemen merchants make. It is a royal killing, and what is more, they buy kings and control them so that the peoples of these kings and nations suffer as kings are forced to burden the people with outrageous taxes, that end up given out as corporate welfare, to make the rich even richer.

And if some other nation or business gives Tyre a hard time, Tyre gets the rest of the nations in her network to attack the rogue nation who will not hand over everything to Tyre. This hob-nobbing with the nations is what Jehovah calls "spiritual prostitution."  God demands faithfulness from those married to Him by a covenant. They are to obey Him and seek help and protection from Him, and not run to some nation to get help or meddle in world-wide politics. So Tyre plays the prostitute and must pay for her unfaithfulness and disgraceful conduct among the nations.

Is it clear enough? It ought to be! I do not believe the 70 years are relevant as to time length. 70 years were given to Babylon to rule, reign, and succeed over her enemies and then she was dethroned and overthrown. So it is symbolically 70 years given to Tyre and Sidon as well, so that we can know for sure that Tyre and Babylon are one in the same. We need never doubt it.<<


ASV)  Isaiah 24
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>> This comes right on the heels of the last chapter against Tyre. And it is very clear that this is against the whole world. So it can only fit and apply to the final days of judgment.<<

Isaiah 24:
1  Behold, Jehovah maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2  And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the creditor, so with the debtor; as with the taker of interest, so with the giver of interest to him.
                        >> Revelation say it will happen to the small and the great alike. <<
3  The earth shall be utterly emptied, and utterly laid waste; for Jehovah hath spoken this word.
4  The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away, the lofty people of the earth do languish.
5  The earth also is polluted under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes,
broken the everlasting covenant.
6  Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are found guilty: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
7  The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merry-hearted do sigh.
8  The mirth of tabrets {musical instruments} ceases, the noise of them that rejoice ends, the joy of the harp ceases.
9  They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.
10  The waste city is broken down; every house is shut up, that no man may come in.
11  There is a crying in the streets because of the wine; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone.
12  In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction.
13  For thus shall it be in the midst of the earth among the peoples, as the shaking of an olive-tree, as the gleanings when the vintage is done.
14  These shall lift up their voice, they shall shout; for the majesty of Jehovah they cry aloud from the sea.

15  Wherefore glorify you all, Jehovah in the east, even the name of Jehovah, the God of Israel, in the isles of the sea.
16  From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs: Glory to the righteous. But I said, I pine away, I pine away, woe is me! the treacherous have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous have dealt very treacherously.
17  Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18  And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows on high are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19  The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is shaken violently.
20  The earth shall stagger like a drunken man, and shall sway to and fro like a hammock; and
the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it, and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21  And it shall come to pass in that day, that
Jehovah will punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22  And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison; and after many days shall they be visited.
23  Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed; for Jehovah of hosts will reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem; and before his elders shall be glory.

>> I am returning to regular black text beyond this. <<

The last and final days of the earth will not be good for those in power. Those of lofty high position or attitude are marked for destruction. I know, I know, the devil has told you lofty ones that you are his beloved and will have the earth turned over to you as his special chosen ones, who he wants to bless. But it is not going to turn out like he has told you. He has been lying since the Garden of Eden and will till the day he dies. He lies to you all so he can get you to act against yourself, while thinking you are doing the best for yourselves. He is clever, and you are not!

The world has become an utter evil mess that begs to be cleaned off the face of the earth and God will do just that. Hardly a soul is worth saving anymore and now everyone is joining in on every sort of crime and mean rotten nastiness is everywhere around us. If you do not want to be a part of the evil and want to be spared by God, then you need to distance yourself from the way business is done in our day. And how is that?

Well, you have to sell your soul, for one, and cooperate with those in financial power as well as political power. You have to lie, cheat, steal, swindle, extort, bully, and oppress those with no power to defend themselves. You will need to stop all that and be honest from here on in and not be greedy, and not be willing to screw people, just because you can. The greed has to end. Greed IS NOT GOOD!

Isaiah makes it clear. Ezekiel makes it clear. Daniel makes it clear. Revelation makes it clear. We need not doubt the outcome. It all fits together in one whole complete picture of incredible detail, though having been hidden under our noses for nearly 2000 years and longer.


I might point out that Daniel, clearly authorized by Jehovah, was the only writer to ever write in another language for his scrolls/book. He wrote in the Babylonian Aramaic language. It was accepted that way by the priesthood of Ezra and those who followed after him. So for those who suggest that only Hebrew is holy or whatever, they are wrong. God can choose any damn language He wants, to communicate in. All the languages of the world were made by Him when He changed the languages in Genesis 10. No language is profane to God, just as no race is profane to God, but "in every nation, that man that fears God is acceptable to God." Fact!

And I will add that any nation or race that rejects or opposes God will surely experience obliteration sooner or later. This could be applied to God's mouth to all the earth: Join or Die! It really is that simple. Satan says no better. At least God respects people and their right to personal choice, and reasonable rights.

I want to add just one more thing here. I am working on the symbol of the Tribe of Dan in another article, and Part 14 of the Last Days Series, "The Futility of Resistance" while adding this stuff from Ezekiel and Isaiah. I believe these 2 other articles are very enlightening on this subject of Babylon the Great and the judgment of the world soon to come in our day. When they are finished, it will likely solve all the mysteries and tie them all together.

I think what could be well advised as I close out this article, is that we always want to be on guard against "success" and conceit, as well as wealth. They are among the most dangerous intoxicants in existence. Alcohol is tame, by comparison. If something seems like a big achievement, you might want to look at it again. Whatever we do, its not that impressive. Its been done before and will be done again. What happened or will happen to "Tyre" or "Babylon" can happen to us all. Paul suggests Love as a substitute for, well, Success and Pride. Just something to keep in mind.


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